Well that is truely sad. This country was built on the backs of immigrants. I understand the desire to make sure that all entry is done through legal channels, but to fear the fact that the diverse make up of our country may switch is ridiculous. So what if the majority of people in the US will eventually be hispanics. As long as they are hard working and contribute to the growth and well being of the nation I see nothing wrong with that. Hispanics are a growing political, economic and social force in this country so you and the rest of the xenophobic bunch best get used to us being here.
I have always fel that hispanics where being singled out in regards to illegal immigration. Yes they make up the majority of illegals in this country, but there are millions of illegals that come into this country from Asia, Africa, Europe, and even Canada. Yet we never see an image or even a mention of these people when the topic of illegal immigrantion is discussed.
Mammasan I think you misunderstood my attitude towards this issue. I was pointing out the fact that hispanics will be the majority in the future and that most the people who hate illigal immigrants have a fear that one day they are going to be the minority. Personally I think its a great thing and it should only make America better.
How do I think you should have no borders? If anything the US should have more borders and adopt as isolationist a policy as possible.
The point is that it isn't the illegals who come into your country and open fire. It's your friends, family and neighbours- it's the voilent, pscyhotic culture that is adored by the country. You could magically remove every last illegal immigrant in the US and still be up to your eyes in the shit that's left. So again- there are bigger problems at pretty much every level within the US that you all should be worrying about as opposed to the illegal immigrants.
says the bloke that has never been here to see for himself. being in a border state; we get the news reports of how many are caught coming over the border bringing guns and drugs. i've never seen any of those reports on the bbc world news. as a border state; we've seen the crime. we have several prisons SOLELY for mexican nationals who have committed felonies here. in fact; we just opened a new prison in oklahoma solely for mexican nationals and had to send other prisoners to indiana; 3520 Km from our state.
you'll hear about a shooting in nebraska mall how often? once in 200+ years. come here and you'll hear about illegals shooting at police every bloody day.
illegals account for the majority of crime here; and i mean violent crimes that we cannot overlook and send them back. me thinks you should visit some border state prisons before making a blanket statement like that.
Mammasan I think you misunderstood my attitude towards this issue. I was pointing out the fact that hispanics will be the majority in the future and that most the people who hate illigal immigrants have a fear that one day they are going to be the minority. Personally I think its a great thing and it should only make America better.
I apologize. I thought you where stating that you felt that way.
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it's not fearful, it is respect of laws. everythging that i have been saying is conc3rning the issue that people believe that laws don't matter or not important. i would hav eno problem with "illegal" immigrants staying but we must follow the law.
by the way, do you lock your door, wear a seatbelt? we all do things to protect ourselves. it's not about fear always.
if we're throwing out the laws; i can make about $6,000 a week selling pot. no need to report that income cuz we're throwing out the laws.
by the way, do you lock your door, wear a seatbelt? we all do things to protect ourselves. it's not about fear always.
i lock my door out of fear.. as do you... fear of my kids being abducted, fear of someone taking all my posessions, fear of onelongsong wheezing into my house and shooting my goldfish.
you wear a seatbelt because 1. its a law and 2. i have a fear of plummeting through a window..
i didnt say i have no fears... but america seems to have more GRANDER fears.. terrorists for instance... you had one lethal attack, granted it was a monumental one... the UK has had hundereds.. and yet i have no fear of terrorism..
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
what i say to all your fine examples is yoru right, all laws should be enforced. by the way, do we lock up smokers no we lock them out.
finally, what are these real problems that you keep talking about.
just a few examples: the wars Afganistan and in Iraq (and the vast problems that the US is CAUSING in those countries) and the wannabe war with Iran. US foreign policy in general is fucked up.
the dismal way the US goverment treats the veterans that fought those wars
the homeless: many of which happen to be veterans
the war on drugs: how many non-violent drug offenders do we have clogging up the jails and prisons while violent offenders go free? then there's the whole racket of the prison industry itself
the working poor: when people are working two jobs and still can't afford a decent apartment, something is broken and it's not the person who's working two jobs
health care: how many millions of people have no health insurance? sure they get get emergent care in an ER they will also be socked with a huge bill that they can't pay. medical bills are the leading cause of bankrupcy in the US
education: need I say more than "no child left behind" is a complete joke, at the expense of children
that's just off the top of my head. i'm sure that I could come up with more, if I had more time
I apologize. I thought you where stating that you felt that way.
No man, why should I care im Puertorican. But here from a distance its pretty clear the attitude of some people. And I can also somewhat understand their point of view. I mean if suddenly my island was overwhelmed by chineese I would be worried and felt that if we dont do something we are going to loose our heritage, culture, and language. But what people fail to see is that all those immigrants who are going to america is becuase of the the economic policies created by the goverment. Believe me that if these people could stay i their countries they would. They are leaving for a reason. Jobs and $$$$$$$$. The question then should be why are ther no jobs or real wages in these countries. Start from there and see what policies can the goverment change or implement to help these countries build solid economies so that people wont leave.
says the bloke that has never been here to see for himself. being in a border state; we get the news reports of how many are caught coming over the border bringing guns and drugs. i've never seen any of those reports on the bbc world news. as a border state; we've seen the crime. we have several prisons SOLELY for mexican nationals who have committed felonies here. in fact; we just opened a new prison in oklahoma solely for mexican nationals and had to send other prisoners to indiana; 3520 Km from our state.
you'll hear about a shooting in nebraska mall how often? once in 200+ years. come here and you'll hear about illegals shooting at police every bloody day.
illegals account for the majority of crime here; and i mean violent crimes that we cannot overlook and send them back. me thinks you should visit some border state prisons before making a blanket statement like that.
And who is filling all your other prisons? I'm not denying that Mexico can be terribly violent as well, but this wasn't about Mexico's problems. From what you write there, the issue that stands out to me is criminal behaviour- regardless of whether it be an illegal or otherwise. Are you really going to tell me that America's violent culture and subsequent behaviour is mostly due to illegal immigrants?
My point here is address violent behaviour and crimes across the board without scapegoating or stereotyping. And seeing as how Texas shares the border with Mexico, I'm guessing the death penalty hasn't been too great a deterrent in the eyes of all these awful gun-toting, drug dealing Mexicans then, eh?
you're, through no choice of yours, born in a country where it's overpopulated, there's sky high unemployment, your children have little chance of bettering themselves through education, you might even be starving.
then right next door (or even furtehr, at that point you don't care), there's this big country with lots of space that permanently advertise to the world that they're the best, the richest, the freer, etc..
what would YOU do?
you might consider you being American is just cheer dumb luck and your ancestors were all illegal immigrants anyway (most Native Americans didn't give them permission to come and still their lands)
Most people given the choice would rather stay in their country..they don't have a choice to speak of though..
anything more recent? anything that would necessitate the worlds largest mobile military force? is it to stop chicken farmers from Cancun?
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
No man, why should I care im Puertorican. But here from a distance its pretty clear the attitude of some people. And I can also somewhat understand their point of view. I mean if suddenly my island was overwhelmed by chineese I would be worried and felt that if we dont do something we are going to loose our heritage, culture, and language. But what people fail to see is that all those immigrants who are going to america is becuase of the the economic policies created by the goverment. Believe me that if these people could stay i their countries they would. They are leaving for a reason. Jobs and $$$$$$$$. The question then should be why are ther no jobs or real wages in these countries. Start from there and see what policies can the goverment change or implement to help these countries build solid economies so that people wont leave.
that's a question for el presidente who pockets mexicos wealth and leaves his people to starve.
you're, through no choice of yours, born in a country where it's overpopulated, there's sky high unemployment, your children have little chance of bettering themselves through education, you might even be starving.
then right next door (or even furtehr, at that point you don't care), there's this big country with lots of space that permanently advertise to the world that they're the best, the richest, the freer, etc..
what would YOU do?
you might consider you being American is just cheer dumb luck and your ancestors were all illegal immigrants anyway (most Native Americans didn't give them permission to come and still their lands)
i do not blame the people for wanting to go to anorther country, but you can't also blame the counrty for saying do it legal. let's bring your story to a smaller scale. let's say that you are very poor and can't afford food or rent. now right next door there is a family there who has those things that you want should you be allowed to take from them?
People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
i do not blame the people for wanting to go to anorther country, but you can't also blame the counrty for saying do it legal. let's bring your story to a smaller scale. let's say that you are very poor and can't afford food or rent. now right next door there is a family there who has those things that you want should you be allowed to take from them?
Your family just a few generations ago did just that...are you more "special"? I think not.
i agree, but we can't go back to where we were then. we have seperated things into legal and illegal. my concern is that we seem to be picking and choosing what laws can and can't be broken. thats's a problem.
People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
i lock my door out of fear.. as do you... fear of my kids being abducted, fear of someone taking all my posessions, fear of onelongsong wheezing into my house and shooting my goldfish.
you wear a seatbelt because 1. its a law and 2. i have a fear of plummeting through a window..
i didnt say i have no fears... but america seems to have more GRANDER fears.. terrorists for instance... you had one lethal attack, granted it was a monumental one... the UK has had hundereds.. and yet i have no fear of terrorism..
i don't lock my doors; i leave the keys in my truck; and i don't live in fear of anyone or anything.
i do not blame the people for wanting to go to another country, but you can't also blame the country for saying do it legal. let's bring your story to a smaller scale. let's say that you are very poor and can't afford food or rent. now right next door there is a family there who has those things that you want should you be allowed to take from them?
thing is they're not taking from you.. they stay in the garden shed in exchange for doing all the dirty work around the house.
if you don't want them in the shed, a) stop shouting so loudly how rich you are b) pay them decently for the work they do for you in their own home c) pressure their landlord to charge them a fair rent
i don't lock my doors; i leave the keys in my truck; and i don't live in fear of anyone or anything.
then why do you have lots of guns?
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
i agree, but we can't go back to where we were then. we have seperated things into legal and illegal. my concern is that we seem to be picking and choosing what laws can and can't be broken. thats's a problem.
i was a gunsmith for 6 years. i like my collection. from old black powder guns to the guns i made myself.
thats nice.. i collect music cd's, but why do you have guns?
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Well considering that only 6.4%, as of 2005, of the inmates in state and federal prison are illegal aliens I would think that we have more to fear from our own citizens then from illegal aliens.
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Mammasan I think you misunderstood my attitude towards this issue. I was pointing out the fact that hispanics will be the majority in the future and that most the people who hate illigal immigrants have a fear that one day they are going to be the minority. Personally I think its a great thing and it should only make America better.
says the bloke that has never been here to see for himself. being in a border state; we get the news reports of how many are caught coming over the border bringing guns and drugs. i've never seen any of those reports on the bbc world news. as a border state; we've seen the crime. we have several prisons SOLELY for mexican nationals who have committed felonies here. in fact; we just opened a new prison in oklahoma solely for mexican nationals and had to send other prisoners to indiana; 3520 Km from our state.
you'll hear about a shooting in nebraska mall how often? once in 200+ years. come here and you'll hear about illegals shooting at police every bloody day.
illegals account for the majority of crime here; and i mean violent crimes that we cannot overlook and send them back. me thinks you should visit some border state prisons before making a blanket statement like that.
I apologize. I thought you where stating that you felt that way.
Ever hear of the war of 1812?
if we're throwing out the laws; i can make about $6,000 a week selling pot. no need to report that income cuz we're throwing out the laws.
and the american revolution; and when mexico attacked the us. remember the alamo!
it seems mexico gave us texas in exchange for a generals life.
i lock my door out of fear.. as do you... fear of my kids being abducted, fear of someone taking all my posessions, fear of onelongsong wheezing into my house and shooting my goldfish.
you wear a seatbelt because 1. its a law and 2. i have a fear of plummeting through a window..
i didnt say i have no fears... but america seems to have more GRANDER fears.. terrorists for instance... you had one lethal attack, granted it was a monumental one... the UK has had hundereds.. and yet i have no fear of terrorism..
just a few examples: the wars Afganistan and in Iraq (and the vast problems that the US is CAUSING in those countries) and the wannabe war with Iran. US foreign policy in general is fucked up.
the dismal way the US goverment treats the veterans that fought those wars
the homeless: many of which happen to be veterans
the war on drugs: how many non-violent drug offenders do we have clogging up the jails and prisons while violent offenders go free? then there's the whole racket of the prison industry itself
the working poor: when people are working two jobs and still can't afford a decent apartment, something is broken and it's not the person who's working two jobs
health care: how many millions of people have no health insurance? sure they get get emergent care in an ER they will also be socked with a huge bill that they can't pay. medical bills are the leading cause of bankrupcy in the US
education: need I say more than "no child left behind" is a complete joke, at the expense of children
that's just off the top of my head. i'm sure that I could come up with more, if I had more time
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No man, why should I care im Puertorican. But here from a distance its pretty clear the attitude of some people. And I can also somewhat understand their point of view. I mean if suddenly my island was overwhelmed by chineese I would be worried and felt that if we dont do something we are going to loose our heritage, culture, and language. But what people fail to see is that all those immigrants who are going to america is becuase of the the economic policies created by the goverment. Believe me that if these people could stay i their countries they would. They are leaving for a reason. Jobs and $$$$$$$$. The question then should be why are ther no jobs or real wages in these countries. Start from there and see what policies can the goverment change or implement to help these countries build solid economies so that people wont leave.
And who is filling all your other prisons? I'm not denying that Mexico can be terribly violent as well, but this wasn't about Mexico's problems. From what you write there, the issue that stands out to me is criminal behaviour- regardless of whether it be an illegal or otherwise. Are you really going to tell me that America's violent culture and subsequent behaviour is mostly due to illegal immigrants?
My point here is address violent behaviour and crimes across the board without scapegoating or stereotyping. And seeing as how Texas shares the border with Mexico, I'm guessing the death penalty hasn't been too great a deterrent in the eyes of all these awful gun-toting, drug dealing Mexicans then, eh?
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but imagine for a second:
you're, through no choice of yours, born in a country where it's overpopulated, there's sky high unemployment, your children have little chance of bettering themselves through education, you might even be starving.
then right next door (or even furtehr, at that point you don't care), there's this big country with lots of space that permanently advertise to the world that they're the best, the richest, the freer, etc..
what would YOU do?
you might consider you being American is just cheer dumb luck and your ancestors were all illegal immigrants anyway (most Native Americans didn't give them permission to come and still their lands)
Most people given the choice would rather stay in their country..they don't have a choice to speak of though..
hear of it no.. read about it... mmm probably.
anything more recent? anything that would necessitate the worlds largest mobile military force? is it to stop chicken farmers from Cancun?
then he should know better.
that's a question for el presidente who pockets mexicos wealth and leaves his people to starve.
if we are throwing out the laws, i will shoot you for your $6,000 a week and shoot the other guy for the pot.
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
the one where they invaded Canada?
we declared war on the uk but they came here to fight???
i do not blame the people for wanting to go to anorther country, but you can't also blame the counrty for saying do it legal. let's bring your story to a smaller scale. let's say that you are very poor and can't afford food or rent. now right next door there is a family there who has those things that you want should you be allowed to take from them?
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
and thus the violence illegal immigration causes.
Your family just a few generations ago did just that...are you more "special"? I think not.
i agree, but we can't go back to where we were then. we have seperated things into legal and illegal. my concern is that we seem to be picking and choosing what laws can and can't be broken. thats's a problem.
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
No, we use CIA proxy armies for that
i don't lock my doors; i leave the keys in my truck; and i don't live in fear of anyone or anything.
if you don't want them in the shed, a) stop shouting so loudly how rich you are b) pay them decently for the work they do for you in their own home c) pressure their landlord to charge them a fair rent
then why do you have lots of guns?
and that's been my entire argument.
i was a gunsmith for 6 years. i like my collection. from old black powder guns to the guns i made myself.
thats nice.. i collect music cd's, but why do you have guns?
Well considering that only 6.4%, as of 2005, of the inmates in state and federal prison are illegal aliens I would think that we have more to fear from our own citizens then from illegal aliens.