I 'm confused on what you all think?

acoustic guy

It seems to me that most of you here are for protecting illegal immigrants??
Is this the case?
We should greet them with open arms?
I am sure there has been big talks in here about it but I was not apart of them so I would like to know where you stand.
I can not believe any American would want to just allow anyone on this planet just walk in and out of here like its some God Damn Public Restroom!

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i think i love you!

prism

who the heck do you think picks your food for $3 an hour? most illegals are honest hard working people.
illegal immigrants have become the conservatives scapegoats de jour for everything that is wrong with this country. a few years ago it was gays that wanted to marry, before that it was single mothers. they ALWAYS must have a scapegoat that has no political power in which to blame all of this countries ills on, instead of focusing on the real issues that confront the US.

meme

prism wrote:

who the heck do you think picks your food for $3 an hour? most illegals are honest hard working people.
illegal immigrants have become the conservatives scapegoats de jour for everything that is wrong with this country. a few years ago it was gays that wanted to marry, before that it was single mothers. they ALWAYS must have a scapegoat that has no political power in which to blame all of this countries ills on, instead of focusing on the real issues that confront the US.

Yep.
The country you are born here is a matter of sheer luck.
We sustain our lifestyle at the expense of the rest of the world.
Certainly there are logistic problems in "welcoming everyone with open arms". But really there is nothing to be so self-righteous about.

dunkman

acoustic guy wrote:

It seems to me that most of you here are for protecting illegal immigrants??
Is this the case?
We should greet them with open arms?
I am sure there has been big talks in here about it but I was not apart of them so I would like to know where you stand.
I can not believe any American would want to just allow anyone on this planet just walk in and out of here like its some God Damn Public Restroom!

you're an immigrant

Thecure

prism wrote:

who the heck do you think picks your food for $3 an hour? most illegals are honest hard working people.
illegal immigrants have become the conservatives scapegoats de jour for everything that is wrong with this country. a few years ago it was gays that wanted to marry, before that it was single mothers. they ALWAYS must have a scapegoat that has no political power in which to blame all of this countries ills on, instead of focusing on the real issues that confront the US.

while i agree with you about who picks our food for $3, i wonder if you don't think that people breaking laws is a real issue.

Thecure

dunkman wrote:

you're an immigrant

but is he a legal immigrant?

onelongsong

acoustic guy wrote:

It seems to me that most of you here are for protecting illegal immigrants??
Is this the case?
We should greet them with open arms?
I am sure there has been big talks in here about it but I was not apart of them so I would like to know where you stand.
I can not believe any American would want to just allow anyone on this planet just walk in and out of here like its some God Damn Public Restroom!

illegals should be shot for the invaders they are. try sneeking into mexico. you'll be shot.

SoonForgotten2

The US reaps what it sows.

But honestly, the US is made up of immigrants so I find it all very amusing. There are great problems in the US than illegals. On the plus side, the eventual collapse of the US economy should help to stem the flow of illegals- so it won't be a lose-lose for you at least.

onelongsong

Thecure wrote:

while i agree with you about who picks our food for $3, i wonder if you don't think that people breaking laws is a real issue.

from his posts of late; he'd like to pick and choose which laws should be respected and followed.
i'd say who picks veggies for $3.00/hour and upsets our economy when the minimum wage is much higher. not only do we have the crime of invading another country; we now have employers committing crimes in the name of profits. if that employer is allowed to break laws for their own profits; why shouldn't i as an employer? our state has strict laws against hiring illegals. they include high fines and losing your business license.

i'd also like to ask; who thinks it's fair to pay a human being such low wages? how can you be proud to say we can pay them slave wages?

mammasan

onelongsong wrote:

illegals should be shot for the invaders they are. try sneeking into mexico. you'll be shot.

Thank god the Native Americans where not this ignorant or none of us would be here.

prism

Thecure wrote:

while i agree with you about who picks our food for $3, i wonder if you don't think that people breaking laws is a real issue.

then go after the business and farm owners that hire them. but the government and people can look the other way if it "might hurt businesses" so there's no law against that.

it's against the law to go over the speed limit does every one that does get caught and ticketed? it's against the law to smoke cigarettes in public in most places...do we lock up smokers? it's a against the law to lie on your tax forms...it's against the law to run a red light. see where i'm going with this? in the grand scheme of things these laws are for the most part irrelavant, as is the issue of illegal immigration when it comes down to addressing the real problems in the US.

but lets but the blame on those that have no political power, those have no voice or lobbiest in DC....because making them the scapegoats for everything makes for a convient distraction from having to come up with any real answers

acoustic guy

dunkman wrote:

you're an immigrant

Yea, I know.
But the immigrants who came here did it to start a "club".
The club grew to be something big and beautiful. Now everyone wants to join. There are to many members right now and we need to get things under control for a little while. Then continue to let immigrants in LEGALLY!

And as for the workers....I know there are many who work here that are honest and good. But thats not the issue here.
It's not ok for the message to be "come one come all" in the world that we live in today! Our world will most certanly change for the worst, and that scares me when I think about my daughter.

The hard working ones will walk right in with the bad ones right behind them.

SoonForgotten2

acoustic guy wrote:

The hard working ones will walk right in with the bad ones right behind them.

Right and proceed to shoot up your schools, shopping malls, campuses, post offices... oh wait.

Again, look to the inside to find the problems that most need solving.

onelongsong

SoonForgotten2 wrote:

The US reaps what it sows.

But honestly, the US is made up of immigrants so I find it all very amusing. There are great problems in the US than illegals. On the plus side, the eventual collapse of the US economy should help to stem the flow of illegals- so it won't be a lose-lose for you at least.

what? members of my family died waiting to immigrate here legally. how would you feel if you waited overnight at the ticket office to get tickets for a PJ concert; then when the window opened; a bunch of people walked up and got in line ahead of you? now add that when you got to the window; the concert was sold out.
we have laws and rules so everyone has an equal chance. we also have rules for punishing those who don't follow the rules. if we're not going to follow our own laws; then throw all the laws away. they're not worth the paper they're written on.

acoustic guy

SoonForgotten2 wrote:

Right and proceed to shoot up your schools, shopping malls, campuses, post offices... oh wait.

Again, look to the inside to find the problems that most need solving.

You baffle me.
I agree we need to fix the problems inside. but how are we to do that if there is no inside????
Inside of what? You obviously think we should not have boarders so where does the inside start and the outside begin??
Make no mistake about it.....this is a huge part of the INSIDE problem.

I'm going shopping.

TheVoiceInside

Yo get what you desreve. Illigal imigration is a byproduct of Neoliberal policies. The funny thing is that in 50 years or so the majority of the people will be hispanics and there aint no stopping that because the free market wont allow it.

Collin

onelongsong wrote:

illegals should be shot for the invaders they are. try sneeking into mexico. you'll be shot.

That's disgusting, man. Does everyone have to die? I think it's mighty hypocritical of you that you take such an attitude.

Thecure

prism wrote:

then go after the business and farm owners that hire them. but the government and people can look the other way if it "might hurt businesses" so there's no law against that.

it's against the law to go over the speed limit does every one that does get caught and ticketed? it's against the law to smoke cigarettes in public in most places...do we lock up smokers? it's a against the law to lie on your tax forms...it's against the law to run a red light. see where i'm going with this? in the grand scheme of things these laws are for the most part irrelavant, as is the issue of illegal immigration when it comes down to addressing the real problems in the US.

but lets but the blame on those that have no political power, those have no voice or lobbiest in DC....because making them the scapegoats for everything makes for a convient distraction from having to come up with any real answers

what i say to all your fine examples is yoru right, all laws should be enforced. by the way, do we lock up smokers no we lock them out.

finally, what are these real problems that you keep talking about.

SoonForgotten2

onelongsong wrote:

what? members of my family died waiting to immigrate here legally. how would you feel if you waited overnight at the ticket office to get tickets for a PJ concert; then when the window opened; a bunch of people walked up and got in line ahead of you? now add that when you got to the window; the concert was sold out.
we have laws and rules so everyone has an equal chance. we also have rules for punishing those who don't follow the rules. if we're not going to follow our own laws; then throw all the laws away. they're not worth the paper they're written on.

Because that's what's happening now? Seriously though, you have elected goverment officials at every level. Accountability only works when the people holds these officials accountable. If illegal immigration is such a problem for you then speak up to your elected officials. It seems like this is something that the left understands, which is why they don't have the need to blame those who are doing whatever they can to improve their and their families lives. The right on the other hand would just as well take the law into their own hands and what was that? Shoot them? Right. This is where your conservative and imperialist government has lead you to though, so I can understand not having the faith in said government to actually deal with the situation properly.

dunkman

Thecure wrote:

but is he a legal immigrant?

he is 'legal' but legal is just a word... like floppy and mollusc... but the US was built on immigrants legal or illegal... so why be so fearful.

is everyone in America scared? i need guns incase bad men come after me.. i need big fences incase Jesus and Carlos steal all our women... i need the worlds largest Navy, Army and Airforce even though we've been attacked once on our shores, and that was in Hawaii...

why all the fear?