I haven't signed it, it hasn't crossed my path.
although I haven't I still think that what the magazine did was rude. the members of the band had CLEARLY expressed their hope that pictures of them without masks would not be released and that people would let them stay as sort of fantasy-figures.
plus, I don't like the magazine anyways.
well, I guess that's a sign of what our society is like nowadays. :eek:
This just goes to show that all tabloids are shit!! I fucking hate 'em and their privacy invading, non respecting "journalism".
I not really a big fan of Eurovision song contest, but I think it's really cool that Lordi won over all the crappy pop that we've seen a million times before.
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This just goes to show that all tabloids are shit!! I fucking hate 'em and their privacy invading, non respecting "journalism".
I not really a big fan of Eurovision song contest, but I think it's really cool that Lordi won over all the crappy pop that we've seen a million times before.
yeah, they are.
yeh, they certainly shook up the Eurovision thing!
"Don't be faint-hearted, I have a solution! We shall go and commandeer some small craft, then drift at leisure until we happen upon another ideal place for our waterside supper with riparian entertainments."
hey hey. don't worry, I enjoy answering questions.
I love living in Finland! this is my home country and this will always be my home country. I'm really glad that I was fortunate enough to be born here, because life here is great and the society is supportive towards it's citizens. I'm grateful for everything I have cause in many countries people aren't as fortunate. I try to keep that in mind.
lol. no, it's not too cold. (where do you live by the way?) well sure, it's pretty darn cold in the winter but luckily we've got good clothes to keep us warm.
and believe it or not, it does get hot here during the summer. Finland is not a country of eternal winter!
many young people do drink here. and I have been one of them. (well, I do drink still but at least I'm legally allowed to now) many kids get drunk for the first time in their lives at the age of 13-14, which is really young.
now that I'm older I can see how foolish it was for me to drink when I was younger. one of the biggest issues is that obviously cause underaged kids can't go to bars to drink they hang out in parks etc. as there are many young kids in the parks, there are also many not-so-young people there - drug dealers and other people kids should not have anything to do with. during my "years in parks" I was offered different drugs many times. luckily I was never tempted since a friend of mine abused drugs at one point (she was taking all kinds of pills) and I saw what happened to her and what kind of people she hung out with. (she's out of it now)
what I'm happy about is that the adults of our society - the parents and the police - have noticed this issue of young kids drinking and in many cities there are more policemen patroling the parks and streets on weekend nights.
I've got two littlesisters that are in the risk age to start drinking. well, the other sister turns 18 this year so she's soon allowed to drink and I know she's smart. but the other sister is 16, I know she's never been drunk in her life but her friends have. I know that she too is smart but I know how much of an influense friends can be. I've told her how stupid it is to go get pissed at some park.
I know that kids are always gonna be experimenting with alcohol before they're old enough to do it legally. but I'm just hoping their drinking could be less about getting wasted cause that seems to be the goal of way too many kids aged 14-17.
hmm. I think that's about it.
I live in Portugal.. so that´s why I thought that it was too much cold to live in there... for example today it´s gonna be like 35 degrees...
I believe that many people not living in those countries... see the nordic people as boring... is this true or is it just a myth?
Yeah and about the Lisbon, shows I´m so excited.. and besides.. this crowd here is nuts.. and PJ they just love Portugal... last time... in 2000... the band was here like 4 or 5 days... and so many things happened to them.. lol.. Eddie went surfing... someone saw him on a bar.. the day before the show... he asked the barman for some guitar and he started playing last kiss.. and then everybody that was on the bar.. was like : Holy shit that´s EDDIE VEDDER!!
There´s a couple of folks... who even found him shopping.. and started talking with him... they took photos with him... very nice...
And oh yeah.. Eddie can speak portuguese!!! lol... in the Brasilian shows he speaks portuguese... very good... Eddie...
I fricking love this band!!!
And one more time.. thanks again.. you seem a very nice person...
"I´d rather be with an animal.. I´d rather be in Portugal"-Animal, Lisbon 2000
"Vocês são do caralho" Eddie Vedder : Lisbon, 04/09/2006 - best day of my life
I live in Portugal.. so that´s why I thought that it was too much cold to live in there... for example today it´s gonna be like 35 degrees...
I believe that many people not living in those countries... see the nordic people as boring... is this true or is it just a myth?
Yeah and about the Lisbon, shows I´m so excited.. and besides.. this crowd here is nuts.. and PJ they just love Portugal... last time... in 2000... the band was here like 4 or 5 days... and so many things happened to them.. lol.. Eddie went surfing... someone saw him on a bar.. the day before the show... he asked the barman for some guitar and he started playing last kiss.. and then everybody that was on the bar.. was like : Holy shit that´s EDDIE VEDDER!!
There´s a couple of folks... who even found him shopping.. and started talking with him... they took photos with him... very nice...
And oh yeah.. Eddie can speak portuguese!!! lol... in the Brasilian shows he speaks portuguese... very good... Eddie...
I fricking love this band!!!
And one more time.. thanks again.. you seem a very nice person...
"I´d rather be with an animal.. I´d rather be in Portugal"-Animal, Lisbon 2000
ah right, makes perfect sense now.
you're talking Celsius, right? we don't get that hot days but in the summer it can be 25-30 degrees here too.
I suppose it's true (from what I've heard at least) that many people think Scandinavian folks are boring and even somewhat rude. especially us Finns.
well, we don't talk that much and many Finns get easily intimidatet is situations with people they do not now.
so that might be why.
but I think today things have changed a lot, due to the speed in which this world of ours races forward.
we're really not mean!
that sounds really amazing.
thank you.
"Don't be faint-hearted, I have a solution! We shall go and commandeer some small craft, then drift at leisure until we happen upon another ideal place for our waterside supper with riparian entertainments."
This just goes to show that all tabloids are shit!! I fucking hate 'em and their privacy invading, non respecting "journalism".
oh btw, did you hear that the magazine issued a written apology to the band on their website. I haven't read it, I don't take that big of an interest on this matter, I just think it was the right thing to do.
"Don't be faint-hearted, I have a solution! We shall go and commandeer some small craft, then drift at leisure until we happen upon another ideal place for our waterside supper with riparian entertainments."
oh btw, did you hear that the magazine issued a written apology to the band on their website. I haven't read it, I don't take that big of an interest on this matter, I just think it was the right thing to do.
Well, they can apologize all they want, cause I've already decided to hate them.
So if I'm ever in Finland and need a tabloid (fat chance), I wont buy theirs! HA, that oughta teach 'em!
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ah right, makes perfect sense now.
you're talking Celsius, right? we don't get that hot days but in the summer it can be 25-30 degrees here too.
I suppose it's true (from what I've heard at least) that many people think Scandinavian folks are boring and even somewhat rude. especially us Finns.
well, we don't talk that much and many Finns get easily intimidatet is situations with people they do not now.
so that might be why.
but I think today things have changed a lot, due to the speed in which this world of ours races forward.
we're really not mean!
that sounds really amazing.
thank you.
Hi, eMMI... you´re welcome...
So judging by you and that finnish girl I know...
I guess the world is wrong... and that are very nice, and amazing people living in scandinavian countries...(not boring and rude people)
Yep.. I was talking about Celsius...
Sometimes here in summer we get more than 40 degrees... just crazy...
If you don´t mind here´s more question for you...
Why do you think PJ.. don´t tour much in scandinavian countries... when compared to south europe??
you think they have some issue with scandinavian countries??
Cause this is not the first time.. they tour in south europe... and skip nordic countries... in the No Code tour they did exactly the same
And.. just woow... everybody in there speaks english so well as you do?
Cause that girl who I know... also speaks english very well...
Ohh.. thanks again...
"Vocês são do caralho" Eddie Vedder : Lisbon, 04/09/2006 - best day of my life
Well, they can apologize all they want, cause I've already decided to hate them.
So if I'm ever in Finland and need a tabloid (fat chance), I wont buy theirs! HA, that oughta teach 'em!
well good on you!
"Don't be faint-hearted, I have a solution! We shall go and commandeer some small craft, then drift at leisure until we happen upon another ideal place for our waterside supper with riparian entertainments."
Hi, eMMI... you´re welcome...
So judging by you and that finnish girl I know...
I guess the world is wrong... and that are very nice, and amazing people living in scandinavian countries...(not boring and rude people)
Yep.. I was talking about Celsius...
Sometimes here in summer we get more than 40 degrees... just crazy...
If you don´t mind here´s more question for you...
Why do you think PJ.. don´t tour much in scandinavian countries... when compared to south europe??
you think they have some issue with scandinavian countries??
Cause this is not the first time.. they tour in south europe... and skip nordic countries... in the No Code tour they did exactly the same
And.. just woow... everybody in there speaks english so well as you do?
Cause that girl who I know... also speaks english very well...
Ohh.. thanks again...
well, aren't you kind.
I have no idea why PJ hasn't toured around here much.
maybe it would require more complicated actions to book gigs here or something.. to be honest, I do not have a clue.
but I'm hoping they will tour here in between albums or something, as they have hinted in some interviews.
well, obviously the language skills vary depending on the person. so not all people talk English as good as I do. and some are waaaayyyy better than me.
but English is a language the majority of Finnish kids start studyiing at the age of 9-10. that is when they're on 3rd grade. that year the kids/parents need to decide what language will they want to study as an extensive language. they can choose English, French or some other language (I can't remember all the options) and many choose English.
as for me, I think English is a great language and I don't find it to be too hard. but I have a friend (he's a year older than me) who thinks English lacks all logic completely and he's seriously struggling with all foreign languages.
"Don't be faint-hearted, I have a solution! We shall go and commandeer some small craft, then drift at leisure until we happen upon another ideal place for our waterside supper with riparian entertainments."
I have no idea why PJ hasn't toured around here much.
maybe it would require more complicated actions to book gigs here or something.. to be honest, I do not have a clue.
but I'm hoping they will tour here in between albums or something, as they have hinted in some interviews.
well, obviously the language skills vary depending on the person. so not all people talk English as good as I do. and some are waaaayyyy better than me.
but English is a language the majority of Finnish kids start studyiing at the age of 9-10. that is when they're on 3rd grade. that year the kids/parents need to decide what language will they want to study as an extensive language. they can choose English, French or some other language (I can't remember all the options) and many choose English.
as for me, I think English is a great language and I don't find it to be too hard. but I have a friend (he's a year older than me) who thinks English lacks all logic completely and he's seriously struggling with all foreign languages.
Hi eMMI, you´re very kind too...
Maybe someday I´ll visit your country... that finnish girl, has already invited me..
But you know... Finland is just a "little" bit expensive... just a little bit... lol...
So since I´m college student... I can´t afford that trip now...
So who knows... someday...
Jesus I just hope not to freeze there... lol... just kidding...
Oh, yeah.. I don´t know if you know them but my cousin just saw Alice in Chains in Lisbon two days ago... just fucking sick!!!
Now he´s so excited about the PJ show...
I´m already imagining how it´s gonna be...
Everybody is gonna be moshing, and jumping ... bodies flying in the air(altough I know it is forbidden to do stage diving in this tour, or body diving I´m not sure how is this called)...
P.S.(This message is for Eddie, lol)
By the way Eddie, you´re getting old man.. remeber Cascais 1996? Porch? you did stage diving here.. you jumped from some sound support over 5 metres from the ground... and you broke your head ... and you ended up in a hospital... ahaha... and when you dive into the crowd everybody just went nuts...
So why no stage diving in this tour????)
"Vocês são do caralho" Eddie Vedder : Lisbon, 04/09/2006 - best day of my life
All I really know about finland is that the moomintroll books come from there... best childrens books ever.
lol. well, I'd say that's quite a lot as I think many don't know even that.
and yes, the Moomins are some mighty fine folk.
"Don't be faint-hearted, I have a solution! We shall go and commandeer some small craft, then drift at leisure until we happen upon another ideal place for our waterside supper with riparian entertainments."
Hi eMMI, you´re very kind too...
Maybe someday I´ll visit your country... that finnish girl, has already invited me..
But you know... Finland is just a "little" bit expensive... just a little bit... lol...
So since I´m college student... I can´t afford that trip now...
So who knows... someday...
Jesus I just hope not to freeze there... lol... just kidding...
Oh, yeah.. I don´t know if you know them but my cousin just saw Alice in Chains in Lisbon two days ago... just fucking sick!!!
Now he´s so excited about the PJ show...
I´m already imagining how it´s gonna be...
Everybody is gonna be moshing, and jumping ... bodies flying in the air(altough I know it is forbidden to do stage diving in this tour, or body diving I´m not sure how is this called)...
P.S.(This message is for Eddie, lol)
By the way Eddie, you´re getting old man.. remeber Cascais 1996? Porch? you did stage diving here.. you jumped from some sound support over 5 metres from the ground... and you broke your head ... and you ended up in a hospital... ahaha... and when you dive into the crowd everybody just went nuts...
So why no stage diving in this tour????)
thank you.
lol. you're very welcome to visit Finland. just come around during summertime and you won't freeze.
yeah I know AIC but have heard very little songs from them.
well, I too hope you have a great time at the show!
"Don't be faint-hearted, I have a solution! We shall go and commandeer some small craft, then drift at leisure until we happen upon another ideal place for our waterside supper with riparian entertainments."
read the bit about how the sami are the original people and the finnish speaking migrated into finland.
my question - just where the finnish speaking "finns" get into finnland FROm??
from germanic scandinavia? if not then from where??
the language finnish isnt germanic at all, and infact doesnt have any connection with any european language, but has a lot in common with turkic (and "ugric" - tho i dont know whats "urgic" actually means)
I have faced it, A life wasted...
Take my hand, my child of love
Come step inside my tears
Swim the magic ocean,
I've been crying all these years
read the bit about how the sami are the original people and the finnish speaking migrated into finland.
my question - just where the finnish speaking "finns" get into finnland FROm??
from germanic scandinavia? if not then from where??
the language finnish isnt germanic at all, and infact doesnt have any connection with any european language, but has a lot in common with turkic (and "ugric" - tho i dont know whats "urgic" actually means)
now that's one hell of a question! lol.
hmm. as far as I know, people moved to Finland from "all over the place".. but I'm not too sure. I'm gonna have to look into this and get back to you.
"Don't be faint-hearted, I have a solution! We shall go and commandeer some small craft, then drift at leisure until we happen upon another ideal place for our waterside supper with riparian entertainments."
read the bit about how the sami are the original people and the finnish speaking migrated into finland.
my question - just where the finnish speaking "finns" get into finnland FROm??
from germanic scandinavia? if not then from where??
the language finnish isnt germanic at all, and infact doesnt have any connection with any european language, but has a lot in common with turkic (and "ugric" - tho i dont know whats "urgic" actually means)
Finnish and Hungarian are the oddballs of european languages, and are lumped together in a category called finnish-ugric languages, that consists of those two. The other countries have either Latin, Germanic or Slavic languages. As to where they came from, I actually have no idea and I have history as a minor. Russia/Central Asia perhaps? The rest of Scandinavia were settled by germanic people at some point (driving away the lapps ofcourse), so they can't come from there. Maybe some seperate tribe from somewhere that moved out altogether and settled all in Finland, leaving noone behind, or those left behind were exterminated by others? In that case, I'd say central Asia'd be the best bet, as many peoples that migrated to Europe came from there.
That's my theory anyway.
(edit) Actually, nevermind what I say. Here's wikipedia's take on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_people
Seems like Finns are from all over the place, but they also have a connection to the lapps linguistically. Coupled with very consistent archeological findings, it seems that there hasn't been any invasion of a different culture at any point, but that it has rather slowly developed over time.
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Dan
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Finnish and Hungarian are the oddballs of european languages, and are lumped together in a category called finnish-ugric languages, that consists of those two. The other countries have either Latin, Germanic or Slavic languages. As to where they came from, I actually have no idea and I have history as a minor. Russia/Central Asia perhaps? The rest of Scandinavia were settled by germanic people at some point (driving away the lapps ofcourse), so they can't come from there. Maybe some seperate tribe from somewhere that moved out altogether and settled all in Finland, leaving noone behind, or those left behind were exterminated by others? In that case, I'd say central Asia'd be the best bet, as many peoples that migrated to Europe came from there.
That's my theory anyway.
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well, I'd say that's a fairly good theory.
and I'd also say that you might really be onto something. as you mentioned, the Finns aren't Germanic and in that case the Russia/Asia sector seems very likely.
but I don't have stone-hard facts. damn, where's my history teacher when I need him?! :rolleyes: lol.
edit: good on you for finding that link ( = see OutOfBreath's post).
"Don't be faint-hearted, I have a solution! We shall go and commandeer some small craft, then drift at leisure until we happen upon another ideal place for our waterside supper with riparian entertainments."
meanwhile the sami... since they always stayed in the piece of land called finnland, and then were pushed to the northern limits of finnland... have been in western europe for longer time than the finns !!
the sami are from central asia-north russia originally isnt it?
I have faced it, A life wasted...
Take my hand, my child of love
Come step inside my tears
Swim the magic ocean,
I've been crying all these years
Finnish and Hungarian are the oddballs of european languages,
as are basque and romany (language of the gypsies).
hungary gets its name from "huns"... the people who invaded europe from a region between today's mongolia and todays turmenistan (not turkey) ultimately to be defeated by a roman-german combine. but not before they had significantly altertered the history, demography, language and genetic makeup of hungarians. they even left their name on Magyar.
the gypsies/roma are ex-indians who migrated to europe or were taken from india by islamics and sold as slaves. romania gets its name from them.
I have faced it, A life wasted...
Take my hand, my child of love
Come step inside my tears
Swim the magic ocean,
I've been crying all these years
meanwhile the sami... since they always stayed in the piece of land called finnland, and then were pushed to the northern limits of finnland... have been in western europe for longer time than the finns !!
the sami are from central asia-north russia originally isnt it?
If you read the link I provided in my edit, it seems that what we now call finns, came from both the southwest and the southeast(of Finland). And since archeologists find no radical change in finds, it seems there never was an invasion, but rather a continous trickle to the region, which also seems likely given the same root of sami and finnish language. Those who moved there were influenced by the language of those that were there already.
The finns never were a "people" but is rather something after the fact, describing people living in an area. I also went into that trap assuming that since we have finns today, they must have been a tribe or people in the distant past as well.
But the sami have been there for a while, yes. But they are european through and through. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sami#History
They have lived in that area for milennia, and are considered the indigenous people of the area. But no links to asia has been confirmed.
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Dan
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"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
If you read the link I provided in my edit, it seems that what we now call finns, came from both the southwest and the southeast(of Finland). And since archeologists find no radical change in finds, it seems there never was an invasion, but rather a continous trickle to the region, which also seems likely given the same root of sami and finnish language. Those who moved there were influenced by the language of those that were there already.
The finns never were a "people" but is rather something after the fact, describing people living in an area. I also went into that trap assuming that since we have finns today, they must have been a tribe or people in the distant past as well.
But the sami have been there for a while, yes. But they are european through and through. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sami#History
They have lived in that area for milennia, and are considered the indigenous people of the area. But no links to asia has been confirmed.
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Dan
so if the sami are european through and through, and the finns are later day sami who trickled into finnland .... then how do you explain that finnish and sami languages are similar to themselves but are totally disssimilar to other european languagues.
I have faced it, A life wasted...
Take my hand, my child of love
Come step inside my tears
Swim the magic ocean,
I've been crying all these years
so if the sami are european through and through, and the finns are later day sami who trickled into finnland .... then how do you explain that finnish and sami languages are similar to themselves but are totally disssimilar to other european languagues.
Because in most of the rest of Europe, certain tribes of people have invaded and taken over the whole place, except for the small enclaves of indigenous survivors like the celts, basques, sami etc. what I am suggesting is that Finland is located outside the prime territory of Europe, and is a place where the biggest invasions never reached. Remnants of the old languages and culture are mostly found in the out of way places in western europe. People settled in finland, but seemingly more slowly and over a long time, thus smoewhat assimilating into the culture that existed there before them, the sami. That didn't last for very long it seems, but long ebough for the "finns" to have a language close to the sami. Consequent settlers then adopted the language of the "finns" that ultimately was influenced by the sami.
thing about European mainstream languages is that they are more or less results of empires and hegemony. The latin languages prevail where Rome stretched. the Germanic languages prevailed where the saxons, goths and others prevailed, and not forgetting the Holy Roman Empire (with german emperors). Finland has been left outside the worst of these commotions, until the Swedish conquest in the early middle ages.
I do not know why their language is like noone else's, I'm just suggesting possible scenarios. I'm no linguistic historian, so I can't be sure. I refer only to the wikipedia source that says that links with the sami to the east of their current area have not been found linguistically, and that there are no evidence of a largescale invasion of "Finns" at any point.
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Dan
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I would like to say that I have enjoyed this forum very much because the topic is highly interesting. I have always wanted to know more about Finland. I would like to thank the person who started this topic because I have been able to increase my knowledge.
There is a question I have always wanted to ask. I enjoy listening to heavy metal and rock bands from Finland like Children of Bodom, Norther, Lullacry and many others. My question is why are Finnish heavy metal and rock musicians so talented? Is it because they have good genes or are they forced to stay indoors and practice for long hours because of the cold weather?
I would appreciate it if someone would take the time to answer this because I would really like to know the answer.
I would like to say that I have enjoyed this forum very much because the topic is highly interesting. I have always wanted to know more about Finland. I would like to thank the person who started this topic because I have been able to increase my knowledge.
There is a question I have always wanted to ask. I enjoy listening to heavy metal and rock bands from Finland like Children of Bodom, Norther, Lullacry and many others. My question is why are Finnish heavy metal and rock musicians so talented? Is it because they have good genes or are they forced to stay indoors and practice for long hours because of the cold weather?
I would appreciate it if someone would take the time to answer this because I would really like to know the answer.
Thanks so much!!
well thank you and you're incredibly welcome.
I'm gonna have to think about that for a while more (it's pretty early around here.. ) but I think one of the reasons there are many good heavy metal bands here is our nations habit to fall into melancholy quite easily. :rolleyes:
and when there's the seed to start a heavy metal band.. well, I guess they do practise a lot.
hmm. that's the best I can do at the moment but I'll get back to this.
"Don't be faint-hearted, I have a solution! We shall go and commandeer some small craft, then drift at leisure until we happen upon another ideal place for our waterside supper with riparian entertainments."
Hi again eMMI...
So here´s another question...lol
The Scandinavian countries are said to be the countries with better life conditions in the whole world... but at the same time... I believe that they are also the coutries where the rate of suicides among young people are more high...
So can you point any reason, for this fact?
Is it because of the weather??
Another question, one day I was seeing a site, and I found out that many finnish people wanted to learn portuguese or spanish.. because they´re always saying that these languages are so beatiful...
Also that finnish girl says the same, that she wants to learn portuguese... and she´s always saying that it sounds so beatiful...
So why do you think they found the portuguese language beatiful??
Do you also find portuguese/spanish beatiful???
Thanks again, eMMI... Very nice thread...
"Vocês são do caralho" Eddie Vedder : Lisbon, 04/09/2006 - best day of my life
Hi again eMMI...
So here´s another question...lol
The Scandinavian countries are said to be the countries with better life conditions in the whole world... but at the same time... I believe that they are also the coutries where the rate of suicides among young people are more high...
So can you point any reason, for this fact?
Is it because of the weather??
I'll just pop in on this one. Suicide rates are coupled with good living standards, and it is consistent that the countries with the highest standards, have the highest suicide rates. Why this is, is a very complicated matter, and noone truly knows. Perhaps people in countries with high living standards have higher expectations in life, and thus have a greater fall if they aren't met, leading to suicides. Maybe it's the lamented dissolution of community and solidarity between people, leaving more people lonely. It's take your pick, really.
As for the nordic countries, I dont think the weather is that important. Could be a contributing factor of course, but I dont think people kill themselves over bad weather.
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Dan
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"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
Hi, I know that in Finland there is a famous tv show,it's a kind of bigbrother, in which the guests have to learn italian and the one who learn better the italian language wins.
Is that true?
And if it's true, why italian?
Hi again eMMI...
So here´s another question...lol
The Scandinavian countries are said to be the countries with better life conditions in the whole world... but at the same time... I believe that they are also the coutries where the rate of suicides among young people are more high...
So can you point any reason, for this fact?
Is it because of the weather??
I'm thinking pretty much the same way OutOfBreath is..so check out what he said.
I too don't think weather is that big of a factor. I think it would be ridiculous to kill yourself becuase you don't like the weather.
then again, combined with feeling allready depressed a cold/rainy day in my opinion is not the thing to pick up your spirits.
but seriously, the weather here is not that bad. I don't know if it's some kind of a myth or whatever that it's always cold in Scandinavia but really! of course this isn't the warmest place on Earth either but at least we've got four seasons!
Another question, one day I was seeing a site, and I found out that many finnish people wanted to learn portuguese or spanish.. because they´re always saying that these languages are so beatiful...
Also that finnish girl says the same, that she wants to learn portuguese... and she´s always saying that it sounds so beatiful...
So why do you think they found the portuguese language beatiful??
Do you also find portuguese/spanish beatiful???
Thanks again, eMMI... Very nice thread...
well, as for me, I studied Spanish when I was still in school. I don't know why really, but I don't think that the fact that it's a beautiful language mattered that much. I was told that it's a rather non-difficult language to learn so I decided to start it. of course, it's always good to know more than your own language.
other thing affecting the popularity of Spanish/Portuguese might be that they are languages spoken in quite a few countries/places.
and why do people find these languages beautiful?
well, I'd say that when you think about Spanish/Portuguese you also think about the people speaking those languages and the cultures the languages are spoken in. you get this image of passionate and exotic people who talk really fast and who emphasize their words with their whole bodies. the bigger picture you get when you think about a certain thing (a certain language in this case) makes it seem exciting and you want to be a part of that.
I hope that makes sense.
btw. I never became too good in Spanish. I can introduce myself and little stuff like that but I have a really small vocabulary. during those 8 courses I could've learnt more but maybe later.
"Don't be faint-hearted, I have a solution! We shall go and commandeer some small craft, then drift at leisure until we happen upon another ideal place for our waterside supper with riparian entertainments."
Hi, I know that in Finland there is a famous tv show,it's a kind of bigbrother, in which the guests have to learn italian and the one who learn better the italian language wins.
Is that true?
And if it's true, why italian?
yes it's true. I can't remember the name of the show and I'm not sure if they're airing it anymore.
I must admit though that I never got to see any of the episodes (I always forgot even though our Spanish teacher kept telling us about it).
I haven't got the slightest idea why they decided to pick Italian. maybe the producers or some other people had some connections..
"Don't be faint-hearted, I have a solution! We shall go and commandeer some small craft, then drift at leisure until we happen upon another ideal place for our waterside supper with riparian entertainments."
I'm thinking pretty much the same way OutOfBreath is..so check out what he said.
I too don't think weather is that big of a factor. I think it would be ridiculous to kill yourself becuase you don't like the weather.
then again, combined with feeling allready depressed a cold/rainy day in my opinion is not the thing to pick up your spirits.
but seriously, the weather here is not that bad. I don't know if it's some kind of a myth or whatever that it's always cold in Scandinavia but really! of course this isn't the warmest place on Earth either but at least we've got four seasons!
well, as for me, I studied Spanish when I was still in school. I don't know why really, but I don't think that the fact that it's a beautiful language mattered that much. I was told that it's a rather non-difficult language to learn so I decided to start it. of course, it's always good to know more than your own language.
other thing affecting the popularity of Spanish/Portuguese might be that they are languages spoken in quite a few countries/places.
and why do people find these languages beautiful?
well, I'd say that when you think about Spanish/Portuguese you also think about the people speaking those languages and the cultures the languages are spoken in. you get this image of passionate and exotic people who talk really fast and who emphasize their words with their whole bodies. the bigger picture you get when you think about a certain thing (a certain language in this case) makes it seem exciting and you want to be a part of that.
I hope that makes sense.
btw. I never became too good in Spanish. I can introduce myself and little stuff like that but I have a really small vocabulary. during those 8 courses I could've learnt more but maybe later.
Yeah... I believe that, that myth exists...
A couple of days ago, I was talking with my brother about this europe PJ tour... and he said.. something like... "Oh yeah.. perahps, after this tour, they tour again in europe on a year or so... cause they´re not going to any of those countries where it´s always snowing, and where young people are always killing themselves... I can´t remember the name of those countries...".. and I said Scandinavian countries.. and he : "Yeah, those countries... where nothing happens"... So I believe that at least here in south europe many people think, that nothing really interesting happens, and that´s always cold in Scandinavian countries.... but I guess.. all people here are all wrong...
Well I can´t say.. I´ve never been in any scandinavian country... but with your description... I bet that it´s not like that...
Ok.. I understood what you´ve said about languages... yeah portuguese is spoken in 7 countries.. and more than 200 million people worldwide speaks portuguese... spanish I guess it´s spoken by 350 million people...
So that can be a reason...
"Vocês são do caralho" Eddie Vedder : Lisbon, 04/09/2006 - best day of my life
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This just goes to show that all tabloids are shit!! I fucking hate 'em and their privacy invading, non respecting "journalism".
I not really a big fan of Eurovision song contest, but I think it's really cool that Lordi won over all the crappy pop that we've seen a million times before.
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yeah, they are.
yeh, they certainly shook up the Eurovision thing!
I live in Portugal.. so that´s why I thought that it was too much cold to live in there... for example today it´s gonna be like 35 degrees...
I believe that many people not living in those countries... see the nordic people as boring... is this true or is it just a myth?
Yeah and about the Lisbon, shows I´m so excited.. and besides.. this crowd here is nuts.. and PJ they just love Portugal... last time... in 2000... the band was here like 4 or 5 days... and so many things happened to them.. lol.. Eddie went surfing... someone saw him on a bar.. the day before the show... he asked the barman for some guitar and he started playing last kiss.. and then everybody that was on the bar.. was like : Holy shit that´s EDDIE VEDDER!!
There´s a couple of folks... who even found him shopping.. and started talking with him... they took photos with him... very nice...
And oh yeah.. Eddie can speak portuguese!!! lol... in the Brasilian shows he speaks portuguese... very good... Eddie...
I fricking love this band!!!
And one more time.. thanks again.. you seem a very nice person...
"I´d rather be with an animal.. I´d rather be in Portugal"-Animal, Lisbon 2000
ah right, makes perfect sense now.
you're talking Celsius, right? we don't get that hot days but in the summer it can be 25-30 degrees here too.
I suppose it's true (from what I've heard at least) that many people think Scandinavian folks are boring and even somewhat rude. especially us Finns.
well, we don't talk that much and many Finns get easily intimidatet is situations with people they do not now.
so that might be why.
but I think today things have changed a lot, due to the speed in which this world of ours races forward.
we're really not mean!
that sounds really amazing.
thank you.
oh btw, did you hear that the magazine issued a written apology to the band on their website. I haven't read it, I don't take that big of an interest on this matter, I just think it was the right thing to do.
Well, they can apologize all they want, cause I've already decided to hate them.
So if I'm ever in Finland and need a tabloid (fat chance), I wont buy theirs! HA, that oughta teach 'em!
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Hi, eMMI... you´re welcome...
So judging by you and that finnish girl I know...
I guess the world is wrong... and that are very nice, and amazing people living in scandinavian countries...(not boring and rude people)
Yep.. I was talking about Celsius...
Sometimes here in summer we get more than 40 degrees... just crazy...
If you don´t mind here´s more question for you...
Why do you think PJ.. don´t tour much in scandinavian countries... when compared to south europe??
you think they have some issue with scandinavian countries??
Cause this is not the first time.. they tour in south europe... and skip nordic countries... in the No Code tour they did exactly the same
And.. just woow... everybody in there speaks english so well as you do?
Cause that girl who I know... also speaks english very well...
Ohh.. thanks again...
well good on you!
well, aren't you kind.
I have no idea why PJ hasn't toured around here much.
maybe it would require more complicated actions to book gigs here or something.. to be honest, I do not have a clue.
but I'm hoping they will tour here in between albums or something, as they have hinted in some interviews.
well, obviously the language skills vary depending on the person. so not all people talk English as good as I do. and some are waaaayyyy better than me.
but English is a language the majority of Finnish kids start studyiing at the age of 9-10. that is when they're on 3rd grade. that year the kids/parents need to decide what language will they want to study as an extensive language. they can choose English, French or some other language (I can't remember all the options) and many choose English.
as for me, I think English is a great language and I don't find it to be too hard. but I have a friend (he's a year older than me) who thinks English lacks all logic completely and he's seriously struggling with all foreign languages.
Hi eMMI, you´re very kind too...
Maybe someday I´ll visit your country... that finnish girl, has already invited me..
But you know... Finland is just a "little" bit expensive... just a little bit... lol...
So since I´m college student... I can´t afford that trip now...
So who knows... someday...
Jesus I just hope not to freeze there... lol... just kidding...
Oh, yeah.. I don´t know if you know them but my cousin just saw Alice in Chains in Lisbon two days ago... just fucking sick!!!
Now he´s so excited about the PJ show...
I´m already imagining how it´s gonna be...
Everybody is gonna be moshing, and jumping ... bodies flying in the air(altough I know it is forbidden to do stage diving in this tour, or body diving I´m not sure how is this called)...
P.S.(This message is for Eddie, lol)
By the way Eddie, you´re getting old man.. remeber Cascais 1996? Porch? you did stage diving here.. you jumped from some sound support over 5 metres from the ground... and you broke your head ... and you ended up in a hospital... ahaha... and when you dive into the crowd everybody just went nuts...
So why no stage diving in this tour????)
lol. well, I'd say that's quite a lot as I think many don't know even that.
and yes, the Moomins are some mighty fine folk.
thank you.
lol. you're very welcome to visit Finland.
yeah I know AIC but have heard very little songs from them.
well, I too hope you have a great time at the show!
read the bit about how the sami are the original people and the finnish speaking migrated into finland.
my question - just where the finnish speaking "finns" get into finnland FROm??
from germanic scandinavia? if not then from where??
the language finnish isnt germanic at all, and infact doesnt have any connection with any european language, but has a lot in common with turkic (and "ugric" - tho i dont know whats "urgic" actually means)
Take my hand, my child of love
Come step inside my tears
Swim the magic ocean,
I've been crying all these years
now that's one hell of a question!
hmm. as far as I know, people moved to Finland from "all over the place".. but I'm not too sure. I'm gonna have to look into this and get back to you.
Finnish and Hungarian are the oddballs of european languages, and are lumped together in a category called finnish-ugric languages, that consists of those two. The other countries have either Latin, Germanic or Slavic languages. As to where they came from, I actually have no idea and I have history as a minor. Russia/Central Asia perhaps? The rest of Scandinavia were settled by germanic people at some point (driving away the lapps ofcourse), so they can't come from there. Maybe some seperate tribe from somewhere that moved out altogether and settled all in Finland, leaving noone behind, or those left behind were exterminated by others? In that case, I'd say central Asia'd be the best bet, as many peoples that migrated to Europe came from there.
That's my theory anyway.
(edit) Actually, nevermind what I say. Here's wikipedia's take on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_people
Seems like Finns are from all over the place, but they also have a connection to the lapps linguistically. Coupled with very consistent archeological findings, it seems that there hasn't been any invasion of a different culture at any point, but that it has rather slowly developed over time.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
well, I'd say that's a fairly good theory.
and I'd also say that you might really be onto something. as you mentioned, the Finns aren't Germanic and in that case the Russia/Asia sector seems very likely.
but I don't have stone-hard facts. damn, where's my history teacher when I need him?! :rolleyes: lol.
edit: good on you for finding that link ( = see OutOfBreath's post).
meanwhile the sami... since they always stayed in the piece of land called finnland, and then were pushed to the northern limits of finnland... have been in western europe for longer time than the finns !!
the sami are from central asia-north russia originally isnt it?
Take my hand, my child of love
Come step inside my tears
Swim the magic ocean,
I've been crying all these years
as are basque and romany (language of the gypsies).
hungary gets its name from "huns"... the people who invaded europe from a region between today's mongolia and todays turmenistan (not turkey) ultimately to be defeated by a roman-german combine. but not before they had significantly altertered the history, demography, language and genetic makeup of hungarians. they even left their name on Magyar.
the gypsies/roma are ex-indians who migrated to europe or were taken from india by islamics and sold as slaves. romania gets its name from them.
Take my hand, my child of love
Come step inside my tears
Swim the magic ocean,
I've been crying all these years
If you read the link I provided in my edit, it seems that what we now call finns, came from both the southwest and the southeast(of Finland). And since archeologists find no radical change in finds, it seems there never was an invasion, but rather a continous trickle to the region, which also seems likely given the same root of sami and finnish language. Those who moved there were influenced by the language of those that were there already.
The finns never were a "people" but is rather something after the fact, describing people living in an area. I also went into that trap assuming that since we have finns today, they must have been a tribe or people in the distant past as well.
But the sami have been there for a while, yes. But they are european through and through. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sami#History
They have lived in that area for milennia, and are considered the indigenous people of the area. But no links to asia has been confirmed.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
so if the sami are european through and through, and the finns are later day sami who trickled into finnland .... then how do you explain that finnish and sami languages are similar to themselves but are totally disssimilar to other european languagues.
Take my hand, my child of love
Come step inside my tears
Swim the magic ocean,
I've been crying all these years
thing about European mainstream languages is that they are more or less results of empires and hegemony. The latin languages prevail where Rome stretched. the Germanic languages prevailed where the saxons, goths and others prevailed, and not forgetting the Holy Roman Empire (with german emperors). Finland has been left outside the worst of these commotions, until the Swedish conquest in the early middle ages.
I do not know why their language is like noone else's, I'm just suggesting possible scenarios. I'm no linguistic historian, so I can't be sure. I refer only to the wikipedia source that says that links with the sami to the east of their current area have not been found linguistically, and that there are no evidence of a largescale invasion of "Finns" at any point.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
There is a question I have always wanted to ask. I enjoy listening to heavy metal and rock bands from Finland like Children of Bodom, Norther, Lullacry and many others. My question is why are Finnish heavy metal and rock musicians so talented? Is it because they have good genes or are they forced to stay indoors and practice for long hours because of the cold weather?
I would appreciate it if someone would take the time to answer this because I would really like to know the answer.
Thanks so much!!
well thank you and you're incredibly welcome.
I'm gonna have to think about that for a while more (it's pretty early around here..
and when there's the seed to start a heavy metal band.. well, I guess they do practise a lot.
hmm. that's the best I can do at the moment but I'll get back to this.
So here´s another question...lol
The Scandinavian countries are said to be the countries with better life conditions in the whole world... but at the same time... I believe that they are also the coutries where the rate of suicides among young people are more high...
So can you point any reason, for this fact?
Is it because of the weather??
Another question, one day I was seeing a site, and I found out that many finnish people wanted to learn portuguese or spanish.. because they´re always saying that these languages are so beatiful...
Also that finnish girl says the same, that she wants to learn portuguese... and she´s always saying that it sounds so beatiful...
So why do you think they found the portuguese language beatiful??
Do you also find portuguese/spanish beatiful???
Thanks again, eMMI... Very nice thread...
I'll just pop in on this one. Suicide rates are coupled with good living standards, and it is consistent that the countries with the highest standards, have the highest suicide rates. Why this is, is a very complicated matter, and noone truly knows. Perhaps people in countries with high living standards have higher expectations in life, and thus have a greater fall if they aren't met, leading to suicides. Maybe it's the lamented dissolution of community and solidarity between people, leaving more people lonely. It's take your pick, really.
As for the nordic countries, I dont think the weather is that important. Could be a contributing factor of course, but I dont think people kill themselves over bad weather.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
Is that true?
And if it's true, why italian?
I'm thinking pretty much the same way OutOfBreath is..so check out what he said.
I too don't think weather is that big of a factor. I think it would be ridiculous to kill yourself becuase you don't like the weather.
then again, combined with feeling allready depressed a cold/rainy day in my opinion is not the thing to pick up your spirits.
but seriously, the weather here is not that bad. I don't know if it's some kind of a myth or whatever that it's always cold in Scandinavia but really! of course this isn't the warmest place on Earth either but at least we've got four seasons!
well, as for me, I studied Spanish when I was still in school. I don't know why really, but I don't think that the fact that it's a beautiful language mattered that much. I was told that it's a rather non-difficult language to learn so I decided to start it. of course, it's always good to know more than your own language.
other thing affecting the popularity of Spanish/Portuguese might be that they are languages spoken in quite a few countries/places.
and why do people find these languages beautiful?
well, I'd say that when you think about Spanish/Portuguese you also think about the people speaking those languages and the cultures the languages are spoken in. you get this image of passionate and exotic people who talk really fast and who emphasize their words with their whole bodies. the bigger picture you get when you think about a certain thing (a certain language in this case) makes it seem exciting and you want to be a part of that.
I hope that makes sense.
btw. I never became too good in Spanish. I can introduce myself and little stuff like that but I have a really small vocabulary. during those 8 courses I could've learnt more but maybe later.
yes it's true. I can't remember the name of the show and I'm not sure if they're airing it anymore.
I must admit though that I never got to see any of the episodes (I always forgot even though our Spanish teacher kept telling us about it).
I haven't got the slightest idea why they decided to pick Italian. maybe the producers or some other people had some connections..
Yeah... I believe that, that myth exists...
A couple of days ago, I was talking with my brother about this europe PJ tour... and he said.. something like... "Oh yeah.. perahps, after this tour, they tour again in europe on a year or so... cause they´re not going to any of those countries where it´s always snowing, and where young people are always killing themselves... I can´t remember the name of those countries...".. and I said Scandinavian countries.. and he : "Yeah, those countries... where nothing happens"... So I believe that at least here in south europe many people think, that nothing really interesting happens, and that´s always cold in Scandinavian countries.... but I guess.. all people here are all wrong...
Well I can´t say.. I´ve never been in any scandinavian country... but with your description... I bet that it´s not like that...
Ok.. I understood what you´ve said about languages... yeah portuguese is spoken in 7 countries.. and more than 200 million people worldwide speaks portuguese... spanish I guess it´s spoken by 350 million people...
So that can be a reason...