Yeah... I believe that, that myth exists...
A couple of days ago, I was talking with my brother about this europe PJ tour... and he said.. something like... "Oh yeah.. perahps, after this tour, they tour again in europe on a year or so... cause they´re not going to any of those countries where it´s always snowing, and where young people are always killing themselves... I can´t remember the name of those countries...".. and I said Scandinavian countries.. and he : "Yeah, those countries... where nothing happens"... So I believe that at least here in south europe many people think, that nothing really interesting happens, and that´s always cold in Scandinavian countries.... but I guess.. all people here are all wrong...
Well I can´t say.. I´ve never been in any scandinavian country... but with your description... I bet that it´s not like that...
Ok.. I understood what you´ve said about languages... yeah portuguese is spoken in 7 countries.. and more than 200 million people worldwide speaks portuguese... spanish I guess it´s spoken by 350 million people...
So that can be a reason...
well, that's interesting. especially when you think that here in Finland, people know that there are countries where it's basically always warm and countries that colder than Finland and so on.. I think misconceptions about the climates of certain countries/areas are very rare.
hmm. fair enough though, to someone who's lived in the south Finland might seem like a fairly cold place when comparing the temperatures..
yeah, like English, Portuguese and Spanish are very international languages.
but sure, the fact that they're beautiful must be a factor in why people wanna learn them.
"Don't be faint-hearted, I have a solution! We shall go and commandeer some small craft, then drift at leisure until we happen upon another ideal place for our waterside supper with riparian entertainments."
Yeah...
I don´t know if you know this but portuguese and spanish are very similiar languages... so we portuguese understand what spanish say, and vice-versa... they´re very similar.. for example sometimes in the news... if they interview someone from Spain.. sometimes, we don´t even need subtitles... cause we understand almost everything... so the languages are very similiar...
But just to tell you.. that Eddie speaks a wonderfull spanish and portuguese...
Very good Eddie..
I got just one more question to you..
Here we always had that rivality between Portugal and Spain.. in Finland do you have any rivality with Sweeden or with Norway??
"E esta chovendo como em Seattle... e Brasil prometemos que da proxima vez não vai demorar tanto tempo, ate darmos outro concerto aqui, e muito obrigado por esperarem por nos estes anos todos..." Eddie Vedder ... Brasil 2005
"Vocês são do caralho" Eddie Vedder : Lisbon, 04/09/2006 - best day of my life
I'm gonna have to think about that for a while more (it's pretty early around here.. ) but I think one of the reasons there are many good heavy metal bands here is our nations habit to fall into melancholy quite easily. :rolleyes:
and when there's the seed to start a heavy metal band.. well, I guess they do practise a lot.
hmm. that's the best I can do at the moment but I'll get back to this.
Thank you eMMI!
I really appreciate it that you took the time to answer my question. I have always thought that one of the reasons that finnish heavy metal and rock musicians are so talented is because they just have the natural musical talent.
I feel very happy to have an interest in wanting to find out more about Finland. I have heard that it is a very beautful country with lots of forests and lakes. It was not until two years ago that I developed an interest about the country of Finland. I was sitting in my room at home one day, listening to music(I think it was Children of Bodom) and all of a sudden, it just happened and I said to myself "It would be a great idea to visit Finland someday." and ever since then I have always had an interest.
And I know that there are many Finnish surnames that end in the letters nen, like Koskinen, Holopainen, Raatikainen and others. What do you think is the reason for this? I have heard it is because in ancient times, the people who inhabited Finland ate reindeer and that's where the nen surnames come from. Is that true?
Yeah...
I don´t know if you know this but portuguese and spanish are very similiar languages... so we portuguese understand what spanish say, and vice-versa... they´re very similar.. for example sometimes in the news... if they interview someone from Spain.. sometimes, we don´t even need subtitles... cause we understand almost everything... so the languages are very similiar...
But just to tell you.. that Eddie speaks a wonderfull spanish and portuguese...
Very good Eddie..
I got just one more question to you..
Here we always had that rivality between Portugal and Spain.. in Finland do you have any rivality with Sweeden or with Norway??
"E esta chovendo como em Seattle... e Brasil prometemos que da proxima vez não vai demorar tanto tempo, ate darmos outro concerto aqui, e muito obrigado por esperarem por nos estes anos todos..." Eddie Vedder ... Brasil 2005
I did know that actually.
well, us Finns consider the Swedes to be our enemies but I don't know.. I think they don't feel the same way. which makes things a little odd. :rolleyes:
but the reason we don't like the Swedes is that Finland was under Sweden's control (and Russian's too) before we came independent..
we've got nothing against Norway.
I don't know, I guess it's a little ridiculous how we dislike the Swedes, I mean, they're not that bad of a folk.
but still it hurts extra-hard if we sometimes lose to Sweden. especially in hockey!
"Don't be faint-hearted, I have a solution! We shall go and commandeer some small craft, then drift at leisure until we happen upon another ideal place for our waterside supper with riparian entertainments."
I really appreciate it that you took the time to answer my question. I have always thought that one of the reasons that finnish heavy metal and rock musicians are so talented is because they just have the natural musical talent.
I feel very happy to have an interest in wanting to find out more about Finland. I have heard that it is a very beautful country with lots of forests and lakes. It was not until two years ago that I developed an interest about the country of Finland. I was sitting in my room at home one day, listening to music(I think it was Children of Bodom) and all of a sudden, it just happened and I said to myself "It would be a great idea to visit Finland someday." and ever since then I have always had an interest.
And I know that there are many Finnish surnames that end in the letters nen, like Koskinen, Holopainen, Raatikainen and others. What do you think is the reason for this? I have heard it is because in ancient times, the people who inhabited Finland ate reindeer and that's where the nen surnames come from. Is that true?
Thanks again!!
heh, no problem that's what this thread is about isn't it.
nice to hear that you take an interest in our little country.
I have to admit, I don't know why so many surnames end with nen.. I've never thought about that actually. (probably because it's so natural to me, a part of my everyday life.)
but I can try to find out.
I don't know how eating reindeer could have affected the names though.. but I'll look into it.
"Don't be faint-hearted, I have a solution! We shall go and commandeer some small craft, then drift at leisure until we happen upon another ideal place for our waterside supper with riparian entertainments."
nice to hear that you take an interest in our little country.
My best friend is emigrating to Helsinki next week. He bought a place there a couple of years ago. I've been a few times and am going again in a couple of weeks, albeit via Tallin, Estonia. Helsinki is a lovely society. It is very safe and civilized. I don't anywhere else where people stand waiting at pedestrian traffic lights for the lights to change to green even when there is no traffic coming down the road! A very quirky observation but I think it says a lot about the people. They are also quite funny and self deprecating - I bought a postcard in Finland once and it had a picture of a beach on it and the words 'greetings from Brazil'. Also, one thing I've noticed about this thread is that no one has mentioned the girls in Finland - they are gorgeous!! And the men there don't seem to go out to pubs and clubs so that these places are mainly full of beautiful girls - no competition fella's!! - it sounds too good to be true, right?? Oh, and there are always bands playing there at some really cool little bars and clubs.
The only downside is that it's a bit pricey there, but then you can always pop over to Tallin on the ferry - takes about an hour, and costs fuck all - to stock up on beer e.t.c, as it's very cheap there. I can't wait to get over there again in a couple of weeks.
I have to admit, I don't know why so many surnames end with nen.. I've never thought about that actually. (probably because it's so natural to me, a part of my everyday life.)
but I can try to find out.
I don't know how eating reindeer could have affected the names though.. but I'll look into it.
It isn't somthing like the swedish -son and the norwegian -sen, which is an old add-on that means "son" (of). Hansen = son of Hans etc. I think those endings usually indicate either descent, as in the norwegian case, or place of origin. The dutch van for instance, and I think the jugoslavic -ic ending has significance in that direction as well.
Could be something else entirely of course. Just suggesting as usual.
Peace
Dan
"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
My best friend is emigrating to Helsinki next week. He bought a place there a couple of years ago. I've been a few times and am going again in a couple of weeks, albeit via Tallin, Estonia. Helsinki is a lovely society. It is very safe and civilized. I don't anywhere else where people stand waiting at pedestrian traffic lights for the lights to change to green even when there is no traffic coming down the road! A very quirky observation but I think it says a lot about the people.
No shit dude!!! Is that true?... all people wait until the the lights turn to green, even if there´s no traffic??
For me that´s a little bit strange... here it´s like ... even if there´s cars passing people pass at the same time, even with the red light... lol.... just to see the difference that exists in Nordic countries....
But what about the girls on south europe???
They´re also extremely beatifull... no wonder why the guys tour so much in south europe!!!
"Vocês são do caralho" Eddie Vedder : Lisbon, 04/09/2006 - best day of my life
I might as well try to answer a few questions myself.
The nen-endings in Finnish surnames date back to 19th century before that everyone was the son or daughter of someone. In english it would be like Michael Peter's son Lisa Erik's daughter after that the names started taking geographical aspects. Like if someone had their house on top of a hill=mäki in the village the family living there would be named hill+nen =Mäkinen and family by the stream=virta or lake=järvi Virtanen and Järvinen and since there are so many lakes and rivers here most common names have something to do with water. Back in the day people didn't much interact outside their own community(village) so everyone knew if you were talking about Virtanen that they ment the ones living in your village eventhough there might have been another Virtanen in the next village. Haven't heard about the reindeer connection.
Sweden,Denmark,Norway and Iceland still have the son ending and Iceland also daughter(dottir) end in their names: Samuelsson,Pedersen etc.
With languages people here find Spanish and Italian easier to learn than German,French and even English since the pronounciation is closer to the writing like in Finnish. The Italian language learning tv-show, I think, was organised since there was an old Finnish owned art villa in Italy and the main prize was to go and live there for a year. It was a pretty interesting reality show since it was mostly educational and amazing how fast even old people learned to speak the language pretty well in 1-2 months.
About where the Finns originally came from, they aren't still exactly sure, but there's definitely more eastern influence than for example in Sweden. Even Jeff Ament said in a recent interview in a Finnish magazine that he saw Asian features on the faces of the people when he was in Helsinki.
Somebody also mentioned Children of Bodom and i'm not a huge fan of them but still consider Alexi Laiho as one of the best metal guitarist alive today; an example:
But what about the girls on south europe???
They´re also extremely beatifull... no wonder why the guys tour so much in south europe!!!
You see, that's the thing. If most Europeans, and especially Brits, knew about the abundance of beautiful blonde girls in Scandinavia then they'd surely go there for holidays. As it is they mainly go to Spain, which is shit for girls, unless you go there to meet English girls. The thing with Scandinavia is that not many Europeans ever think to go there. And I mean, look at, for instance, Claudia Schiffer. They are mainly like that over there, and as I said, there's no competition from other blokes - I still haven't worked out what Finnish men do in the evenings, it beats me - and the girls there love foriegners. I've not been to Sweden yet, but that's on my list.
Simply put, Scandinavia's fucking great!! Go there!!
You see, that's the thing. If most Europeans, and especially Brits, knew about the abundance of beautiful blonde girls in Scandinavia then they'd surely go there for holidays. As it is they mainly go to Spain, which is shit for girls, unless you go there to meet English girls. The thing with Scandinavia is that not many Europeans ever think to go there. And I mean, look at, for instance, Claudia Schiffer. They are mainly like that over there, and as I said, there's no competition from other blokes - I still haven't worked out what Finnish men do in the evenings, it beats me - and the girls there love foriegners. I've not been to Sweden yet, but that's on my list.
Simply put, Scandinavia's fucking great!! Go there!!
hmmm.. sure they must be very beatiful... but you only like blond girls??
Maybe eMMI can help me understand this... I asked her a few time ago a similiar question...
But that finnish girl I know once even told me... that her and her friends made some kind of pact to not never in their lives marry any finnish guy...
She´s always complaining... about finnish guys... saying that most of them are horrible and stuff like that...
So eMMI do you think that there´s a problem in Finland between finnish girls, and finnish guys??
"Vocês são do caralho" Eddie Vedder : Lisbon, 04/09/2006 - best day of my life
hmmm.. sure they must be very beatiful... but you only like blond girls??
Maybe eMMI can help me understand this... I asked her a few time ago a similiar question...
But that finnish girl I know once even told me... that her and her friends made some kind of pact to not never in their lives marry any finnish guy...
She´s always complaining... about finnish guys... saying that most of them are horrible and stuff like that...
So eMMI do you think that there´s a problem in Finland between finnish girls, and finnish guys??
Good question. I'd like to know what the situation is there because I really couldn't understand it. Apparently if you buy a girl a drink in Finland they think you are wonderful, as the men there don't buy the girls drinks. I find it all very strange.
Good question. I'd like to know what the situation is there because I really couldn't understand it. Apparently if you buy a girl a drink in Finland they think you are wonderful, as the men there don't buy the girls drinks. I find it all very strange.
Yeah.. dude once I told that girl... that she could talk with me about whatever she wanted to... and she just thanked me 5 or more times...
And said that I was wonderfull and amazing... really I can´t understand it neither... that´s all really strange...
"Vocês são do caralho" Eddie Vedder : Lisbon, 04/09/2006 - best day of my life
Hmm, well most of the time when i offer to buy a Finnish girl a drink they allow me to get it for them but insist on paying it themselves with foreign girls it's easier and i guess the same goes with finnish women and foreign guys.
The male-female roles aren't as clear cut here anymore compared to the more macho cultures. Of course there are different variations and i don't want to generalize too much. It's more about the individual level than national level. It's easy to get bored of the familiar things and find exotic ones better.
If a Finnish woman starts to complain to me about us guys here i can always start comparing the average Finnish woman to their Estonian,Russian or Swedish counterparts,which i really don't want to do, but just the complaining of some people pisses me off sometimes.
For all of you finnish people out there... here it goes.. a text I found on net about an american guy who lived in Finland for 10 months :
"Finnish people are supposed to be modest and not talk about themselves. This aspect of the culture is illustrated by the Finnish saying "Modesty makes beautiful". If a Finn is praised a lot, he becomes suspicious and cautious. Emotions run deep in a Finn and do not often come out. Negative emotions are expressed more often than positive ones. It is accepted to feel negatively; when you expect the worse, you cannot be disappointed. (Keltinkangas-Järvinen, 1996.)
Today urbanisation has broken the sense of collectivism. As people moved to cities, mostly in the 60's and 70's, they tried to continue the habit of joint activities. After the first years it decreased to a minimum. (Kortteinen, 1982.) Today collectivism has changed to individualism.
The summers are short with near continuous daylight and the winters are cold, dark, and long.
The climate of Finland plays a major role when talking about lifestyle. The winters last about six months. During my time in Finland, winter arrived in late November and lasted until the end of April.
It was the coldest weather I have ever experienced in my life. It was so cold that cars had to be plugged in to keep the motor warm to be able to start. Everything was practically frozen. Occasionally, the inside of my nose or my hair would freeze in a matter of seconds while walking to the university or waiting for a bus. It was the first time I really wore a coat, gloves, and scarf in order to keep from freezing to death. Wearing warm clothes and socks were an important factor when it came to staying warm.
The cold weather brought darkness along with it. Finland's northern position on the earth in relation to the seasonal positioning of the sun is the reason for the cold climate and darkness. This was an interesting sight for me and took me a little time to become adjusted.
In North Carolina, the sun usually sets in mid-winter at about 4:30 p.m. Some days in Finland enjoy only a few hours of daylight, if you are lucky enough to see the sun at all. Each day loses about four minutes of daylight from June 21 until December 25. During Christmas, the sun rose at 11:00 a.m. and set by 1:00 p.m. The darkness effects people both physically and psychologically. I noticed that as the days got shorter, I slept a little longer and was more tired. It was practically dark all the time. It was a weird feeling thinking it was night at 2:30 in the afternoon. Indoor swimming pools and athletic gyms help people to deal with the darkness by remaining active and exercising. I never knew how wonderful it was to see the sun on a regular basis until the Finnish winter. Many Finnish people experience severe depression during winter months because of the darkness. I think the sun plays an important psychological factor because it gives people more energy and positive thinking.
Finnish culture is different in many ways from American culture and also a lot alike. People are people no matter what culture they are in and everyone everywhere has their normal, everyday routines. The year I spent in Finland was the most stress free year of my life. It was stress free not because I was in a dreamworld, but because of the culture and lifestyle. The overall impression I got was that the Finnish are "relaxed" people who take time to enjoy normal, everyday life. It was relaxed because of many reasons, but mainly because of the lifestyle of the people.
First of all, there are very little violence or drug problems if compared to America. It is a peaceful place to live, yielding no fear of being afraid or threatened by normal day things. People really mind their own business and live in a safe manner. The people do not have the same mentality about harming others or stealing from people. Of course, there are exceptions in some cases, but overall it is safe. For example, I was never afraid of walking alone late at night or had any kind of fear of being harmed while in Finland.
Second, the Finnish lifestyle is not as fast as in America. Americans seem to always be busy or stressed about something, whether it is competition for jobs, appearance, or money and material objects. It appears to me that there is one social class of people in Finland. Everyone is considered equal, and everyone has the opportunity for some type of training or higher education, which is very low cost. Even the Finnish language has one word for he, she, and it (han). It seems as if everyone is equal and begins at the same starting line when it comes to opportunity and jobs.
Finnish people are also healthier than Americans. Fast food has not been in Finland for a long time. Even so, McDonald's in Finland is like a nice restaurant in America. I think the diet and attitude towards eating healthy is much better. The diet is different in each region, but mostly eaten are various types of breads, fish, reindeer, cow, potatoes, and vegetables.
Practically every household in Finland has a sauna included with it.
Finnish language is said to be the second hardest language to speak after Chinese.
I think Finnish people should be proud of their country for all of its qualities, beauty, and resources."
"Vocês são do caralho" Eddie Vedder : Lisbon, 04/09/2006 - best day of my life
Finnish language is said to be the second hardest language to speak after Chinese.
Now that is true! That language is fucking difficult. It's the only language in Europe, along with the Hungarian language (which is loosely connected to the indo-european language base) which doesn't derive from the indo-european language base. I've started learning Russian and it is easier than Finnish, as a lot of the words sound similar to English words. Finnish may aswell derive from the moon! No offence Finns!
I might as well try to answer a few questions myself.
The nen-endings in Finnish surnames date back to 19th century before that everyone was the son or daughter of someone. In english it would be like Michael Peter's son Lisa Erik's daughter after that the names started taking geographical aspects. Like if someone had their house on top of a hill=mäki in the village the family living there would be named hill+nen =Mäkinen and family by the stream=virta or lake=järvi Virtanen and Järvinen and since there are so many lakes and rivers here most common names have something to do with water. Back in the day people didn't much interact outside their own community(village) so everyone knew if you were talking about Virtanen that they ment the ones living in your village eventhough there might have been another Virtanen in the next village. Haven't heard about the reindeer connection.
Sweden,Denmark,Norway and Iceland still have the son ending and Iceland also daughter(dottir) end in their names: Samuelsson,Pedersen etc.
With languages people here find Spanish and Italian easier to learn than German,French and even English since the pronounciation is closer to the writing like in Finnish. The Italian language learning tv-show, I think, was organised since there was an old Finnish owned art villa in Italy and the main prize was to go and live there for a year. It was a pretty interesting reality show since it was mostly educational and amazing how fast even old people learned to speak the language pretty well in 1-2 months.
About where the Finns originally came from, they aren't still exactly sure, but there's definitely more eastern influence than for example in Sweden. Even Jeff Ament said in a recent interview in a Finnish magazine that he saw Asian features on the faces of the people when he was in Helsinki.
Somebody also mentioned Children of Bodom and i'm not a huge fan of them but still consider Alexi Laiho as one of the best metal guitarist alive today; an example:
Thank you for your answer BrotherLoveBone. I have to admit I did find this interesting. And yes, the word jarvi means lake. I have heard the Finnish language is one of the hardest in the world. How true is that statement?
The reason I am asking is because english is not my first language although I speak it very well. I learned english from a young age. Is Finnish really that difficult?
Hi eMMI,
I just started reading your thread today, and want you to know that I've learned a lot - Thanks!
Earlier you mentioned the parks that the younger kids go to, where they will drink, and often be offered drugs (pills, etc...). I was just looking for some insight into the drug culture is in Finland (if there is one?).
Do a lot of people use marijuana, and is it looked upon as just as bad as cocaine, heroin, and such (as is generally considered in the States by the uninformed)?
What about mushrooms? I live in the US, and we have the hallucinogenic mushrooms (psylocibin), but I've always thought of scandanavians
as consuming the amanita muscaria: http://www.treesforlife.org.uk/images/Amanita_muscaria.jpg
Is this common? Have you ever seen one growing wild?
Is there a distinction in your country between natural and synthetic drugs (pot, mushrooms vs. ecstacy, speed, etc...). What are your views (I won't judge you either way)? Do you think your opinion is typical of most Suomi?
Thanks - Jason
Swallow seeds on my deathbed;
dig a hole in, the garden
Hi eMMI,
I just started reading your thread today, and want you to know that I've learned a lot - Thanks!
Earlier you mentioned the parks that the younger kids go to, where they will drink, and often be offered drugs (pills, etc...). I was just looking for some insight into the drug culture is in Finland (if there is one?).
Do a lot of people use marijuana, and is it looked upon as just as bad as cocaine, heroin, and such (as is generally considered in the States by the uninformed)?
What about mushrooms? I live in the US, and we have the hallucinogenic mushrooms (psylocibin), but I've always thought of scandanavians
as consuming the amanita muscaria: http://www.treesforlife.org.uk/images/Amanita_muscaria.jpg
Is this common? Have you ever seen one growing wild?
Is there a distinction in your country between natural and synthetic drugs (pot, mushrooms vs. ecstacy, speed, etc...). What are your views (I won't judge you either way)? Do you think your opinion is typical of most Suomi?
Thanks - Jason
hey Jason. thank you and you're welcome.
well, there is a some sort of drug culture here obviously because there are people who use drugs (unfortunately).
it's.. how should I put this.. (and of course I can only tell by my hometown, which isn't too big so things could be rahter different in bigger cities.) at least in here the drug culture is underground but everyone knows about it. if that makes sense. the circuits aren't that big so most people tend to know who's a user/ a dealer and who's not. that way people can stay away from them or get in touch with them if they so choose.
drug users and drugs are severely frowned upon as crimes of all sorts are committed by the users.
I don't know what drugs do the people use the most.. but marijuana is (at least used to be) quite common amongst people who don't use anything else.
wow. I've never at least heard of anyone using mushrooms but I suppose some do.
yeah I've seen that mushroom growing wild. a lot actually. I tend to squish them cause they're poisonous and I don't want any little kids getting a hold of them.
hmm. as far as I know most people use mostly synthetic drugs.. but I'm not sure.
I disapprove drugs strictly. I've never tried any cause I've seen what they can do to people.
although I haven't completely secured my view about marijuana because I know many people who have used it and I still think they're great. but then again it is a drug.. (but I don't want this to turn into a debate about it!!)
well yeh, obviously drugs and their users aren't doing anything good for the society so I'd dare say that most of Finns disapprove drugs.
hmm. I hope that answers your questions.
"Don't be faint-hearted, I have a solution! We shall go and commandeer some small craft, then drift at leisure until we happen upon another ideal place for our waterside supper with riparian entertainments."
I might as well try to answer a few questions myself.
The nen-endings in Finnish surnames date back to 19th century before that everyone was the son or daughter of someone. In english it would be like Michael Peter's son Lisa Erik's daughter after that the names started taking geographical aspects. Like if someone had their house on top of a hill=mäki in the village the family living there would be named hill+nen =Mäkinen and family by the stream=virta or lake=järvi Virtanen and Järvinen and since there are so many lakes and rivers here most common names have something to do with water. Back in the day people didn't much interact outside their own community(village) so everyone knew if you were talking about Virtanen that they ment the ones living in your village eventhough there might have been another Virtanen in the next village. Haven't heard about the reindeer connection.
Sweden,Denmark,Norway and Iceland still have the son ending and Iceland also daughter(dottir) end in their names: Samuelsson,Pedersen etc.
With languages people here find Spanish and Italian easier to learn than German,French and even English since the pronounciation is closer to the writing like in Finnish. The Italian language learning tv-show, I think, was organised since there was an old Finnish owned art villa in Italy and the main prize was to go and live there for a year. It was a pretty interesting reality show since it was mostly educational and amazing how fast even old people learned to speak the language pretty well in 1-2 months.
About where the Finns originally came from, they aren't still exactly sure, but there's definitely more eastern influence than for example in Sweden. Even Jeff Ament said in a recent interview in a Finnish magazine that he saw Asian features on the faces of the people when he was in Helsinki.
Somebody also mentioned Children of Bodom and i'm not a huge fan of them but still consider Alexi Laiho as one of the best metal guitarist alive today; an example:
"Don't be faint-hearted, I have a solution! We shall go and commandeer some small craft, then drift at leisure until we happen upon another ideal place for our waterside supper with riparian entertainments."
hmmm.. sure they must be very beatiful... but you only like blond girls??
Maybe eMMI can help me understand this... I asked her a few time ago a similiar question...
But that finnish girl I know once even told me... that her and her friends made some kind of pact to not never in their lives marry any finnish guy...
She´s always complaining... about finnish guys... saying that most of them are horrible and stuff like that...
So eMMI do you think that there´s a problem in Finland between finnish girls, and finnish guys??
sidenote here: not all Finnish girls are blonde!
I don't mean to intrude or sound mean but how old is this girl you know?
I don't see that much of a problem between Finnish guys and girls.. many of my friends are boys and they're absolutely wonderful - warm, open and polite.
I suppose that the "quality" of men depends on where you find them and how old they are. and of course they're all individuals and not alike in every way.
when you go to the bar for example you meet men who are jerks. but not all men are like that. and there are much better places to find your perfect future husbands than a bar!
as for buying drinks. I don't get that a lot. neither do my (girl)friends. so when it happens I'm usually pleasantly surprised but a bit confused at the same time. but I do let men buy me drinks if they want to.
"Don't be faint-hearted, I have a solution! We shall go and commandeer some small craft, then drift at leisure until we happen upon another ideal place for our waterside supper with riparian entertainments."
I have heard the Finnish language is one of the hardest in the world. How true is that statement?
The reason I am asking is because english is not my first language although I speak it very well. I learned english from a young age. Is Finnish really that difficult?
well, it's been said before and I think there are a few links in this thread for you to see and find out yourself but yeh, Finnish is really bloody difficult! I mean, I struggle with it sometimes!
"Don't be faint-hearted, I have a solution! We shall go and commandeer some small craft, then drift at leisure until we happen upon another ideal place for our waterside supper with riparian entertainments."
For all of you finnish people out there... here it goes.. a text I found on net about an american guy who lived in Finland for 10 months :
"Finnish people are supposed to be modest and not talk about themselves. This aspect of the culture is illustrated by the Finnish saying "Modesty makes beautiful". If a Finn is praised a lot, he becomes suspicious and cautious. Emotions run deep in a Finn and do not often come out. Negative emotions are expressed more often than positive ones. It is accepted to feel negatively; when you expect the worse, you cannot be disappointed. (Keltinkangas-Järvinen, 1996.)
Today urbanisation has broken the sense of collectivism. As people moved to cities, mostly in the 60's and 70's, they tried to continue the habit of joint activities. After the first years it decreased to a minimum. (Kortteinen, 1982.) Today collectivism has changed to individualism.
The summers are short with near continuous daylight and the winters are cold, dark, and long.
The climate of Finland plays a major role when talking about lifestyle. The winters last about six months. During my time in Finland, winter arrived in late November and lasted until the end of April.
It was the coldest weather I have ever experienced in my life. It was so cold that cars had to be plugged in to keep the motor warm to be able to start. Everything was practically frozen. Occasionally, the inside of my nose or my hair would freeze in a matter of seconds while walking to the university or waiting for a bus. It was the first time I really wore a coat, gloves, and scarf in order to keep from freezing to death. Wearing warm clothes and socks were an important factor when it came to staying warm.
The cold weather brought darkness along with it. Finland's northern position on the earth in relation to the seasonal positioning of the sun is the reason for the cold climate and darkness. This was an interesting sight for me and took me a little time to become adjusted.
In North Carolina, the sun usually sets in mid-winter at about 4:30 p.m. Some days in Finland enjoy only a few hours of daylight, if you are lucky enough to see the sun at all. Each day loses about four minutes of daylight from June 21 until December 25. During Christmas, the sun rose at 11:00 a.m. and set by 1:00 p.m. The darkness effects people both physically and psychologically. I noticed that as the days got shorter, I slept a little longer and was more tired. It was practically dark all the time. It was a weird feeling thinking it was night at 2:30 in the afternoon. Indoor swimming pools and athletic gyms help people to deal with the darkness by remaining active and exercising. I never knew how wonderful it was to see the sun on a regular basis until the Finnish winter. Many Finnish people experience severe depression during winter months because of the darkness. I think the sun plays an important psychological factor because it gives people more energy and positive thinking.
Finnish culture is different in many ways from American culture and also a lot alike. People are people no matter what culture they are in and everyone everywhere has their normal, everyday routines. The year I spent in Finland was the most stress free year of my life. It was stress free not because I was in a dreamworld, but because of the culture and lifestyle. The overall impression I got was that the Finnish are "relaxed" people who take time to enjoy normal, everyday life. It was relaxed because of many reasons, but mainly because of the lifestyle of the people.
First of all, there are very little violence or drug problems if compared to America. It is a peaceful place to live, yielding no fear of being afraid or threatened by normal day things. People really mind their own business and live in a safe manner. The people do not have the same mentality about harming others or stealing from people. Of course, there are exceptions in some cases, but overall it is safe. For example, I was never afraid of walking alone late at night or had any kind of fear of being harmed while in Finland.
Second, the Finnish lifestyle is not as fast as in America. Americans seem to always be busy or stressed about something, whether it is competition for jobs, appearance, or money and material objects. It appears to me that there is one social class of people in Finland. Everyone is considered equal, and everyone has the opportunity for some type of training or higher education, which is very low cost. Even the Finnish language has one word for he, she, and it (han). It seems as if everyone is equal and begins at the same starting line when it comes to opportunity and jobs.
Finnish people are also healthier than Americans. Fast food has not been in Finland for a long time. Even so, McDonald's in Finland is like a nice restaurant in America. I think the diet and attitude towards eating healthy is much better. The diet is different in each region, but mostly eaten are various types of breads, fish, reindeer, cow, potatoes, and vegetables.
Practically every household in Finland has a sauna included with it.
Finnish language is said to be the second hardest language to speak after Chinese.
I think Finnish people should be proud of their country for all of its qualities, beauty, and resources."
thanks for posting that. sounds pretty accurate to me.. an interesting read.
"Don't be faint-hearted, I have a solution! We shall go and commandeer some small craft, then drift at leisure until we happen upon another ideal place for our waterside supper with riparian entertainments."
lol. thanks all you guys going on about how beautiful Finnish women are. such a nice way to start a day!
"Don't be faint-hearted, I have a solution! We shall go and commandeer some small craft, then drift at leisure until we happen upon another ideal place for our waterside supper with riparian entertainments."
You´re very welcome...
that girl is 17 years old I think....
And thanks again...for the all answers...
right.. well, maybe she hasn't met any nice Finnish guys then..
no problem.
"Don't be faint-hearted, I have a solution! We shall go and commandeer some small craft, then drift at leisure until we happen upon another ideal place for our waterside supper with riparian entertainments."
right.. well, maybe she hasn't met any nice Finnish guys then..
no problem.
Yeah...maybe that´s it...
By the way.. the finnish girls seem all very nice...
Judging by you and her... and all the good things other guys say...
Yeah and your language to me seems like impossible to learn.. lol...jesus... what a strange and difficult language...
But I gotta say I agree with the other english guy... it´s a shame.. that so many few people remember to visit... scandinavian countries... when they seem wonderfull countries...
It´s like verybody says that they are amazing countries... but when it comes to visit them... very few are really interisted... such a shame...
thanks again eMMI
"Vocês são do caralho" Eddie Vedder : Lisbon, 04/09/2006 - best day of my life
Yeah...maybe that´s it...
By the way.. the finnish girls seem all very nice...
Judging by you and her... and all the good things other guys say...
Yeah and your language to me seems like impossible to learn.. lol...jesus... what a strange and difficult language...
But I gotta say I agree with the other english guy... it´s a shame.. that so many few people remember to visit... scandinavian countries... when they seem wonderfull countries...
It´s like verybody says that they are amazing countries... but when it comes to visit them... very few are really interisted... such a shame...
thanks again eMMI
well thank you. although of course there are also not-so-nice girls here..
lol. yeh, Finnish is pretty damn difficult. but there was an Australian exchange student in my school last year and when he came he obviously didn't know a word in Finnish but when he left, he gave a speech at the school - in Finnish! so I suppose it's possible to learn it.
I suppose you're right. sometimes it seems like the only people to visit here are Chinese, Japanese, Russian or Scandinavian. :eek:
"Don't be faint-hearted, I have a solution! We shall go and commandeer some small craft, then drift at leisure until we happen upon another ideal place for our waterside supper with riparian entertainments."
well thank you. although of course there are also not-so-nice girls here..
lol. yeh, Finnish is pretty damn difficult. but there was an Australian exchange student in my school last year and when he came he obviously didn't know a word in Finnish but when he left, he gave a speech at the school - in Finnish! so I suppose it's possible to learn it.
I suppose you're right. sometimes it seems like the only people to visit here are Chinese, Japanese, Russian or Scandinavian. :eek:
that's interesting. Are there many Japanese people that visit your country? Japan is an excellent country. I visited it last year and I would highly recommend it to anyone who loves to see other places.
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well, that's interesting. especially when you think that here in Finland, people know that there are countries where it's basically always warm and countries that colder than Finland and so on.. I think misconceptions about the climates of certain countries/areas are very rare.
hmm. fair enough though, to someone who's lived in the south Finland might seem like a fairly cold place when comparing the temperatures..
yeah, like English, Portuguese and Spanish are very international languages.
but sure, the fact that they're beautiful must be a factor in why people wanna learn them.
I don´t know if you know this but portuguese and spanish are very similiar languages... so we portuguese understand what spanish say, and vice-versa... they´re very similar.. for example sometimes in the news... if they interview someone from Spain.. sometimes, we don´t even need subtitles... cause we understand almost everything... so the languages are very similiar...
But just to tell you.. that Eddie speaks a wonderfull spanish and portuguese...
Very good Eddie..
I got just one more question to you..
Here we always had that rivality between Portugal and Spain.. in Finland do you have any rivality with Sweeden or with Norway??
"E esta chovendo como em Seattle... e Brasil prometemos que da proxima vez não vai demorar tanto tempo, ate darmos outro concerto aqui, e muito obrigado por esperarem por nos estes anos todos..." Eddie Vedder ... Brasil 2005
Thank you eMMI!
I really appreciate it that you took the time to answer my question. I have always thought that one of the reasons that finnish heavy metal and rock musicians are so talented is because they just have the natural musical talent.
I feel very happy to have an interest in wanting to find out more about Finland. I have heard that it is a very beautful country with lots of forests and lakes. It was not until two years ago that I developed an interest about the country of Finland. I was sitting in my room at home one day, listening to music(I think it was Children of Bodom) and all of a sudden, it just happened and I said to myself "It would be a great idea to visit Finland someday." and ever since then I have always had an interest.
And I know that there are many Finnish surnames that end in the letters nen, like Koskinen, Holopainen, Raatikainen and others. What do you think is the reason for this? I have heard it is because in ancient times, the people who inhabited Finland ate reindeer and that's where the nen surnames come from. Is that true?
Thanks again!!
I did know that actually.
well, us Finns consider the Swedes to be our enemies but I don't know.. I think they don't feel the same way. which makes things a little odd. :rolleyes:
but the reason we don't like the Swedes is that Finland was under Sweden's control (and Russian's too) before we came independent..
we've got nothing against Norway.
I don't know, I guess it's a little ridiculous how we dislike the Swedes, I mean, they're not that bad of a folk.
but still it hurts extra-hard if we sometimes lose to Sweden. especially in hockey!
heh, no problem that's what this thread is about isn't it.
nice to hear that you take an interest in our little country.
I have to admit, I don't know why so many surnames end with nen.. I've never thought about that actually. (probably because it's so natural to me, a part of my everyday life.)
but I can try to find out.
I don't know how eating reindeer could have affected the names though.. but I'll look into it.
My best friend is emigrating to Helsinki next week. He bought a place there a couple of years ago. I've been a few times and am going again in a couple of weeks, albeit via Tallin, Estonia. Helsinki is a lovely society. It is very safe and civilized. I don't anywhere else where people stand waiting at pedestrian traffic lights for the lights to change to green even when there is no traffic coming down the road! A very quirky observation but I think it says a lot about the people. They are also quite funny and self deprecating - I bought a postcard in Finland once and it had a picture of a beach on it and the words 'greetings from Brazil'. Also, one thing I've noticed about this thread is that no one has mentioned the girls in Finland - they are gorgeous!! And the men there don't seem to go out to pubs and clubs so that these places are mainly full of beautiful girls - no competition fella's!! - it sounds too good to be true, right?? Oh, and there are always bands playing there at some really cool little bars and clubs.
The only downside is that it's a bit pricey there, but then you can always pop over to Tallin on the ferry - takes about an hour, and costs fuck all - to stock up on beer e.t.c, as it's very cheap there. I can't wait to get over there again in a couple of weeks.
It isn't somthing like the swedish -son and the norwegian -sen, which is an old add-on that means "son" (of). Hansen = son of Hans etc. I think those endings usually indicate either descent, as in the norwegian case, or place of origin. The dutch van for instance, and I think the jugoslavic -ic ending has significance in that direction as well.
Could be something else entirely of course. Just suggesting as usual.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
The nen-endings in Finnish surnames date back to 19th century before that everyone was the son or daughter of someone. In english it would be like Michael Peter's son Lisa Erik's daughter after that the names started taking geographical aspects. Like if someone had their house on top of a hill=mäki in the village the family living there would be named hill+nen =Mäkinen and family by the stream=virta or lake=järvi Virtanen and Järvinen and since there are so many lakes and rivers here most common names have something to do with water. Back in the day people didn't much interact outside their own community(village) so everyone knew if you were talking about Virtanen that they ment the ones living in your village eventhough there might have been another Virtanen in the next village. Haven't heard about the reindeer connection.
Sweden,Denmark,Norway and Iceland still have the son ending and Iceland also daughter(dottir) end in their names: Samuelsson,Pedersen etc.
With languages people here find Spanish and Italian easier to learn than German,French and even English since the pronounciation is closer to the writing like in Finnish. The Italian language learning tv-show, I think, was organised since there was an old Finnish owned art villa in Italy and the main prize was to go and live there for a year. It was a pretty interesting reality show since it was mostly educational and amazing how fast even old people learned to speak the language pretty well in 1-2 months.
About where the Finns originally came from, they aren't still exactly sure, but there's definitely more eastern influence than for example in Sweden. Even Jeff Ament said in a recent interview in a Finnish magazine that he saw Asian features on the faces of the people when he was in Helsinki.
Somebody also mentioned Children of Bodom and i'm not a huge fan of them but still consider Alexi Laiho as one of the best metal guitarist alive today; an example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsDj2g0C6uE
You see, that's the thing. If most Europeans, and especially Brits, knew about the abundance of beautiful blonde girls in Scandinavia then they'd surely go there for holidays. As it is they mainly go to Spain, which is shit for girls, unless you go there to meet English girls. The thing with Scandinavia is that not many Europeans ever think to go there. And I mean, look at, for instance, Claudia Schiffer. They are mainly like that over there, and as I said, there's no competition from other blokes - I still haven't worked out what Finnish men do in the evenings, it beats me - and the girls there love foriegners. I've not been to Sweden yet, but that's on my list.
Simply put, Scandinavia's fucking great!! Go there!!
hmmm.. sure they must be very beatiful... but you only like blond girls??
Maybe eMMI can help me understand this... I asked her a few time ago a similiar question...
But that finnish girl I know once even told me... that her and her friends made some kind of pact to not never in their lives marry any finnish guy...
She´s always complaining... about finnish guys... saying that most of them are horrible and stuff like that...
So eMMI do you think that there´s a problem in Finland between finnish girls, and finnish guys??
Good question. I'd like to know what the situation is there because I really couldn't understand it. Apparently if you buy a girl a drink in Finland they think you are wonderful, as the men there don't buy the girls drinks. I find it all very strange.
Yeah.. dude once I told that girl... that she could talk with me about whatever she wanted to... and she just thanked me 5 or more times...
And said that I was wonderfull and amazing... really I can´t understand it neither... that´s all really strange...
The male-female roles aren't as clear cut here anymore compared to the more macho cultures. Of course there are different variations and i don't want to generalize too much. It's more about the individual level than national level. It's easy to get bored of the familiar things and find exotic ones better.
If a Finnish woman starts to complain to me about us guys here i can always start comparing the average Finnish woman to their Estonian,Russian or Swedish counterparts,which i really don't want to do, but just the complaining of some people pisses me off sometimes.
Still, (Finnish) women are great!
"Finnish people are supposed to be modest and not talk about themselves. This aspect of the culture is illustrated by the Finnish saying "Modesty makes beautiful". If a Finn is praised a lot, he becomes suspicious and cautious. Emotions run deep in a Finn and do not often come out. Negative emotions are expressed more often than positive ones. It is accepted to feel negatively; when you expect the worse, you cannot be disappointed. (Keltinkangas-Järvinen, 1996.)
Today urbanisation has broken the sense of collectivism. As people moved to cities, mostly in the 60's and 70's, they tried to continue the habit of joint activities. After the first years it decreased to a minimum. (Kortteinen, 1982.) Today collectivism has changed to individualism.
The summers are short with near continuous daylight and the winters are cold, dark, and long.
The climate of Finland plays a major role when talking about lifestyle. The winters last about six months. During my time in Finland, winter arrived in late November and lasted until the end of April.
It was the coldest weather I have ever experienced in my life. It was so cold that cars had to be plugged in to keep the motor warm to be able to start. Everything was practically frozen. Occasionally, the inside of my nose or my hair would freeze in a matter of seconds while walking to the university or waiting for a bus. It was the first time I really wore a coat, gloves, and scarf in order to keep from freezing to death. Wearing warm clothes and socks were an important factor when it came to staying warm.
The cold weather brought darkness along with it. Finland's northern position on the earth in relation to the seasonal positioning of the sun is the reason for the cold climate and darkness. This was an interesting sight for me and took me a little time to become adjusted.
In North Carolina, the sun usually sets in mid-winter at about 4:30 p.m. Some days in Finland enjoy only a few hours of daylight, if you are lucky enough to see the sun at all. Each day loses about four minutes of daylight from June 21 until December 25. During Christmas, the sun rose at 11:00 a.m. and set by 1:00 p.m. The darkness effects people both physically and psychologically. I noticed that as the days got shorter, I slept a little longer and was more tired. It was practically dark all the time. It was a weird feeling thinking it was night at 2:30 in the afternoon. Indoor swimming pools and athletic gyms help people to deal with the darkness by remaining active and exercising. I never knew how wonderful it was to see the sun on a regular basis until the Finnish winter. Many Finnish people experience severe depression during winter months because of the darkness. I think the sun plays an important psychological factor because it gives people more energy and positive thinking.
Finnish culture is different in many ways from American culture and also a lot alike. People are people no matter what culture they are in and everyone everywhere has their normal, everyday routines. The year I spent in Finland was the most stress free year of my life. It was stress free not because I was in a dreamworld, but because of the culture and lifestyle. The overall impression I got was that the Finnish are "relaxed" people who take time to enjoy normal, everyday life. It was relaxed because of many reasons, but mainly because of the lifestyle of the people.
First of all, there are very little violence or drug problems if compared to America. It is a peaceful place to live, yielding no fear of being afraid or threatened by normal day things. People really mind their own business and live in a safe manner. The people do not have the same mentality about harming others or stealing from people. Of course, there are exceptions in some cases, but overall it is safe. For example, I was never afraid of walking alone late at night or had any kind of fear of being harmed while in Finland.
Second, the Finnish lifestyle is not as fast as in America. Americans seem to always be busy or stressed about something, whether it is competition for jobs, appearance, or money and material objects. It appears to me that there is one social class of people in Finland. Everyone is considered equal, and everyone has the opportunity for some type of training or higher education, which is very low cost. Even the Finnish language has one word for he, she, and it (han). It seems as if everyone is equal and begins at the same starting line when it comes to opportunity and jobs.
Finnish people are also healthier than Americans. Fast food has not been in Finland for a long time. Even so, McDonald's in Finland is like a nice restaurant in America. I think the diet and attitude towards eating healthy is much better. The diet is different in each region, but mostly eaten are various types of breads, fish, reindeer, cow, potatoes, and vegetables.
Practically every household in Finland has a sauna included with it.
Finnish language is said to be the second hardest language to speak after Chinese.
I think Finnish people should be proud of their country for all of its qualities, beauty, and resources."
Now that is true! That language is fucking difficult. It's the only language in Europe, along with the Hungarian language (which is loosely connected to the indo-european language base) which doesn't derive from the indo-european language base. I've started learning Russian and it is easier than Finnish, as a lot of the words sound similar to English words. Finnish may aswell derive from the moon! No offence Finns!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/aa/IE_countries.png/800px-IE_countries.png
Orange: countries with a majority of speakers of IE languages Yellow: countries with an IE minority language with official status
And yes this is a police state
http://www.tammis.to/poliisit.jpg
Thank you for your answer BrotherLoveBone. I have to admit I did find this interesting. And yes, the word jarvi means lake. I have heard the Finnish language is one of the hardest in the world. How true is that statement?
The reason I am asking is because english is not my first language although I speak it very well. I learned english from a young age. Is Finnish really that difficult?
I just started reading your thread today, and want you to know that I've learned a lot - Thanks!
Earlier you mentioned the parks that the younger kids go to, where they will drink, and often be offered drugs (pills, etc...). I was just looking for some insight into the drug culture is in Finland (if there is one?).
Do a lot of people use marijuana, and is it looked upon as just as bad as cocaine, heroin, and such (as is generally considered in the States by the uninformed)?
What about mushrooms? I live in the US, and we have the hallucinogenic mushrooms (psylocibin), but I've always thought of scandanavians
as consuming the amanita muscaria:
http://www.treesforlife.org.uk/images/Amanita_muscaria.jpg
Is this common? Have you ever seen one growing wild?
Is there a distinction in your country between natural and synthetic drugs (pot, mushrooms vs. ecstacy, speed, etc...). What are your views (I won't judge you either way)? Do you think your opinion is typical of most Suomi?
Thanks - Jason
dig a hole in, the garden
hey Jason. thank you and you're welcome.
well, there is a some sort of drug culture here obviously because there are people who use drugs (unfortunately).
it's.. how should I put this.. (and of course I can only tell by my hometown, which isn't too big so things could be rahter different in bigger cities.) at least in here the drug culture is underground but everyone knows about it. if that makes sense. the circuits aren't that big so most people tend to know who's a user/ a dealer and who's not. that way people can stay away from them or get in touch with them if they so choose.
drug users and drugs are severely frowned upon as crimes of all sorts are committed by the users.
I don't know what drugs do the people use the most.. but marijuana is (at least used to be) quite common amongst people who don't use anything else.
wow. I've never at least heard of anyone using mushrooms but I suppose some do.
yeah I've seen that mushroom growing wild. a lot actually. I tend to squish them cause they're poisonous and I don't want any little kids getting a hold of them.
hmm. as far as I know most people use mostly synthetic drugs.. but I'm not sure.
I disapprove drugs strictly. I've never tried any cause I've seen what they can do to people.
although I haven't completely secured my view about marijuana because I know many people who have used it and I still think they're great. but then again it is a drug.. (but I don't want this to turn into a debate about it!!)
well yeh, obviously drugs and their users aren't doing anything good for the society so I'd dare say that most of Finns disapprove drugs.
hmm. I hope that answers your questions.
kiitoksia tuhannesti!
sidenote here: not all Finnish girls are blonde!
I don't mean to intrude or sound mean but how old is this girl you know?
I don't see that much of a problem between Finnish guys and girls.. many of my friends are boys and they're absolutely wonderful - warm, open and polite.
I suppose that the "quality" of men depends on where you find them and how old they are. and of course they're all individuals and not alike in every way.
when you go to the bar for example you meet men who are jerks. but not all men are like that. and there are much better places to find your perfect future husbands than a bar!
as for buying drinks. I don't get that a lot. neither do my (girl)friends. so when it happens I'm usually pleasantly surprised but a bit confused at the same time. but I do let men buy me drinks if they want to.
well, it's been said before and I think there are a few links in this thread for you to see and find out yourself but yeh, Finnish is really bloody difficult! I mean, I struggle with it sometimes!
thanks for posting that.
You´re very welcome...
that girl is 17 years old I think....
And thanks again...for the all answers...
right.. well, maybe she hasn't met any nice Finnish guys then..
no problem.
Yeah...maybe that´s it...
By the way.. the finnish girls seem all very nice...
Judging by you and her... and all the good things other guys say...
Yeah and your language to me seems like impossible to learn.. lol...jesus... what a strange and difficult language...
But I gotta say I agree with the other english guy... it´s a shame.. that so many few people remember to visit... scandinavian countries... when they seem wonderfull countries...
It´s like verybody says that they are amazing countries... but when it comes to visit them... very few are really interisted... such a shame...
thanks again eMMI
well thank you. although of course there are also not-so-nice girls here..
lol. yeh, Finnish is pretty damn difficult.
I suppose you're right. sometimes it seems like the only people to visit here are Chinese, Japanese, Russian or Scandinavian. :eek:
that's interesting. Are there many Japanese people that visit your country? Japan is an excellent country. I visited it last year and I would highly recommend it to anyone who loves to see other places.