911 truth seekers argue among themselves

ledvedderman

jlew24asu wrote:

yea I know it was a crazy insane move that through the will of allah was able to pull off.

but since you dont believe that. what hit the building? where is AA flight 77 ?

I really have no idea what hit it, but I don't see a untrained pilot being able to execute those moves. There is just no logic to it.

MakingWaves

jlew24asu wrote:

yea I know it was a crazy insane move that through the will of allah was able to pull off.

but since you dont believe that. what hit the building? where is AA flight 77 ?

lol....Area 51

ledvedderman

MakingWaves wrote:

lol....Area 51

Why are you trying to make it sound like people who have questions about the day are conspiracy crazies?

jlew24asu

ledvedderman wrote:

I really have no idea what hit it, but I don't see a untrained pilot being able to execute those moves. There is just no logic to it.

ok where is flight 77?

MakingWaves

ledvedderman wrote:

Why are you trying to make it sound like people who have questions about the day are conspiracy crazies?

I apologize. I don't mean to make you sound crazy or be an asshole, but it is just too obvious to me what happened that day. I think I am just in a smart ass type of mood. I know there is nothing wrong with asking questions. I do think there are some questions to ask about that day but not the part of whether or not it was planes that hit the buildings or whether buildings were intentionally blown up.

jlew24asu

ledvedderman wrote:

Why are you trying to make it sound like people who have questions about the day are conspiracy crazies?

I applaud you for questioning the government. its our right and duty to do so. but you or anyone else has yet to provide any evidence that flight 77 DIDNT iot the pentagon besides it was a "impossible move"

ledvedderman

jlew24asu wrote:

ok where is flight 77?

Like I just said, I have no idea. It could be in the Pentagon or in the ocean for all I know. I think there's a lot of fishy stuff around the pentagon crash, and I'm not sold 100% on the official story or any conspiracy theory.

jlew24asu

ledvedderman wrote:

Like I just said, I have no idea. It could be in the Pentagon or in the ocean for all I know. I think there's a lot of fishy stuff around the pentagon crash, and I'm not sold 100% on the official story or any conspiracy theory.

people witnessed the plane fly into the building. there is proof out that of it doing so. planes just dont vanish out of thin air. especially one that was getting distress calls for being hijacked. if it flew into the ocean, how can not one single person witness it? or radar pick it up? if you want to talk about logic, then there is no logical answer for where that plane could have gone besides into the side of the penetgon

ledvedderman

jlew24asu wrote:

I applaud you for questioning the government. its our right and duty to do so. but you or anyone else has yet to provide any evidence that flight 77 DIDNT iot the pentagon besides it was a "impossible move"

What proof of a plane hitting do you have?

There's a grainy video of something that looks like a plane. If it were evidence in a trial, I don't think it would hold up because it is so unclear.

There's no marks on the ground of the pentagon, no bodies, or parts from flight 77.

I think those things lead me to believe something is up. I could very well be wrong, as can you, but I am going to leave both options on the table for now.

PJPOWER

jlew24asu wrote:

people witnessed the plane fly into the building. there is proof out that of it doing so. planes just dont vanish out of thin air. especially one that was getting distress calls for being hijacked. if it flew into the ocean, how can not one single person witness it? or radar pick it up? if you want to talk about logic, then there is no logical answer for where that plane could have gone besides into the side of the penetgon

Haven't you heard of the twilight zone..................lol

ledvedderman

jlew24asu wrote:

people witnessed the plane fly into the building. there is proof out that of it doing so. planes just dont vanish out of thin air. especially one that was getting distress calls for being hijacked. if it flew into the ocean, how can not one single person witness it? or radar pick it up? if you want to talk about logic, then there is no logical answer for where that plane could have gone besides into the side of the penetgon

There are also witnesses who say they saw a plane pull up right before the pentagon exploded. Either one of the witnesses could be right. I don't feel like discrediting one witness over another, which is why my jury is still out on this one.

jlew24asu

ledvedderman wrote:

There are also witnesses who say they saw a plane pull up right before the pentagon exploded. Either one of the witnesses could be right. I don't feel like discrediting one witness over another, which is why my jury is still out on this one.

a plane pull up? and then what? left the area?

MakingWaves

ledvedderman wrote:

What proof of a plane hitting do you have?

There's a grainy video of something that looks like a plane. If it were evidence in a trial, I don't think it would hold up because it is so unclear.

There's no marks on the ground of the pentagon, no bodies, or parts from flight 77.

I think those things lead me to believe something is up. I could very well be wrong, as can you, but I am going to leave both options on the table for now.

There was a good article in Popular Mechanics I think it was, that went down the list of the conspiracies and gave explanations to everyone of them. I know some people ignore it because the editor of the magazine is a friend or relative of Dick Cheney, but it talks to experts and gets their opinions and goes over some facts. It is a good read to get another point of view.

jlew24asu

ledvedderman wrote:

What proof of a plane hitting do you have?

There's a grainy video of something that looks like a plane. If it were evidence in a trial, I don't think it would hold up because it is so unclear.

There's no marks on the ground of the pentagon, no bodies, or parts from flight 77.

I think those things lead me to believe something is up. I could very well be wrong, as can you, but I am going to leave both options on the table for now.

I cant find the website but it has pictures of parts of the plane found in the building. I'm not a huge fan of the site because it is created by one guy intending on proving flight 77 hit the building. the site makes a air tight case. IMO course.

ledvedderman

MakingWaves wrote:

There was a good article in Popular Mechanics I think it was, that went down the list of the conspiracies and gave explanations to everyone of them. I know some people ignore it because the editor of the magazine is a friend or relative of Dick Cheney, but it talks to experts and gets their opinions and goes over some facts. It is a good read to get another point of view.

The man that wrote that is the cousin of Michael Chertoff.

The "pull up" theory is that it was a military jet that flew so low and shot a missle. Do I believe it? Not even close. But if someone saw that, and until there is hard evidence that supports one theory over another I am not going to say that person is crazy. If the gov't would release more videos, like from the gas station across the street, it would probably put all this to rest.

Why won't they do that?

jlew24asu

even the website I hate agrees flight 77 hit it.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911_pentagon_eyewitnesses.html

PJPOWER

jlew24asu wrote:

I cant find the website but it has pictures of parts of the plane found in the building. I'm not a huge fan of the site because it is created by one guy intending on proving flight 77 hit the building. the site makes a air tight case. IMO course.

This is the one you posted earlier.................I agree, it makes a pretty strong argument.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1

ledvedderman

jlew24asu wrote:

I cant find the website but it has pictures of parts of the plane found in the building. I'm not a huge fan of the site because it is created by one guy intending on proving flight 77 hit the building. the site makes a air tight case. IMO course.

That's also why I won't use prison planet, because Jones has an agenda that I don't want to get caught up in. I would like to see facts,not propeganda, and I have seen very little about 9/11.

jlew24asu

PJPOWER wrote:

This is the one you posted earlier.................I agree, it makes a pretty strong argument.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1

yup here it is

MakingWaves

ledvedderman wrote:

The man that wrote that is the cousin of Michael Chertoff.

The "pull up" theory is that it was a military jet that flew so low and shot a missle. Do I believe it? Not even close. But if someone saw that, and until there is hard evidence that supports one theory over another I am not going to say that person is crazy. If the gov't would release more videos, like from the gas station across the street, it would probably put all this to rest.

Why won't they do that?

Ahhh that's right, Michael Chertoff. It sounds like you must have read it but it obviously didn't answer all your questions. Right?