the pope is in hot water with the muslim world

Heatherj43

Here were my thoughts in order about this:
First: OMG, they will blow up the Vatican. (Can you imagine?)
Second: The Pope knew full well what he said and the reprecussions.
Third: Why are the muslims yelling things like, "death to america", "death to Israel", and "death to the UK", for something the Pope said?
Fourth: Why don't christians, etc care when others bash their religion...I know, because they secure in their faith.

Now: this world keeps getting scarier and scarier.

Then I think this, I know why the gas prices are suddenly so low...the gas comapnies want republicans to stay in power.
The end.

Collin

Heatherj43 wrote:

Fourth: Why don't christians, etc care when others bash their religion...I know, because they secure in their faith.

Christians care when you bash their religion.

Now: this world keeps getting scarier and scarier.

I agree.

Heatherj43

Collin wrote:

Christians care when you bash their religion.



I agree.

I am not so sure most christians care...even those who do, they don't take drastic actions to change someone elses view.
I think christains, for the most part, are accepting of other religions, even if they are contradictary to their own.
To me, it seems that if one is secure in their faith, what others say should have no importance to them.
I think most roll their eyes when they hear some radical group saying bad things about christianity. I don't see too many christians forcing their beliefs thru violence. Or using violence when someone bashes their religion.

Collin

Heatherj43 wrote:

I am not so sure most christians care...even those who do, they don't take drastic actions to change someone elses view.
I think christains, for the most part, are accepting of other religions, even if they are contradictary to their own.
To me, it seems that if one is secure in their faith, what others say should have no importance to them.
I think most roll their eyes when they hear some radical group saying bad things about christianity. I don't see too many christians forcing their beliefs thru violence. Or using violence when someone bashes their religion.

I didn't say they use violence, I said they care and they do.

VivaPalestina

Heatherj43 wrote:

I am not so sure most christians care...even those who do, they don't take drastic actions to change someone elses view.

Well the pro lifers are a violent group and the penal system in this country is puritanical/Christian and people (some who are innocent, poor, mentally-ill,etc.) are executed often. That is violent way of changing people's minds.

Heatherj43

purrmo wrote:

Well the pro lifers are a violent group and the penal system in this country is puritanical/Christian and people (some who are innocent, poor, mentally-ill,etc.) are executed often. That is violent way of changing people's minds.

True. However, I have seen on TV thousands in the streets, all over the world, calling for death to america, Israel, and the UK because of the Pope's comments.
I have never seen that in the US over someone saying something about Jesus.

chopitdown

Heatherj43 wrote:

True. However, I have seen on TV thousands in the streets, all over the world, calling for death to america, Israel, and the UK because of the Pope's comments.
I have never seen that in the US over someone saying something about Jesus.

Exactly. Christians care when God or a religious symbol is desecrated or when they are insulted. But i haven't heard of people calling for death of anyone over it. They usually just call for boycotts or they try to appeal to people to not put out "offensive" material.

whitepants

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

You know it really just makes me shake my head....if you are so passionate about your faith (this goes to any faith) who really cares what the man nexts to you believe....to me to insult or to take offence to insult because of another's faith shows, at least to me, insecurity in your own beliefs......

You took the words right out of my mouth and fingers!

Why are extremist muslims so weak and sensitive to criticism or slights to their religion? You can say whatever you want about my practice, Buddhism, but my interest, respect and belief in it can stand criticism against it. Why can't they be the same?

Oh, let me guess, they really don't believe in it too, or, the comments of the Pope have a truth to it and that's what offends them.

either way, if you're going to wear your religion on your sleeve, be proud of it and ignore stupid comments about it based out of ignorance, like the Pope's.

Ahnimus

I think part of the problem is the global perception of Islam in it's current state. It's widely believed that Islam is the root of violence in the world. Mostly due to recent events and recent propaganda.

An artist depicts Mohammad the prophet with a bomb on his head. This implies what Muslims have been trying to defend against. That is deragatory references to their religious beliefs. Anyone of any religion will feel the same.

The difference being that Christianity hasn't had the role of Islam in our lives as we live them today. It has been the core of violence in the past however. But most can look at criticism of it in jest and continue practicing and promoting their beliefs despite a few nasty charicatures.

Islam is at a critical mass, a boiling point where these criticisms are taken to heart. While I am atheist/agnostic and don't support any religion, I can respect them and refrain from deragatory statements and images.

As an atheist I would never consider drawing Jesus with nuclear bombs for arms and slaves for legs or anything of the sort. If I produced drawings of the Jewish Pharisees as tyrants, hypocrits and war-mongers, I'd likely be sentanced to jail for "hate-crimes" against Jews.

Regarding the Funamental Attribution Error. Let's look at it from a non-partisan perspective. Look at it from the same perspective that you look at other propaganda that you disagree with. The pope's comments and the depiction of Mohammad are direct and negative attacks on a religion supported by billions of people.

You will hear me argue religion as the root of all evil, as evil doesn't exist outside of religion. Good and evil are manifestations of religion. However, I regard them all the same and refrain from attacks on specific beliefs or practices. In these cases it's representative of an alternative religious belief system and seaks to discredit their oppositional beliefs to strengthen their own.

VivaPalestina

Heatherj43 wrote:

True. However, I have seen on TV thousands in the streets, all over the world, calling for death to america, Israel, and the UK because of the Pope's comments.
I have never seen that in the US over someone saying something about Jesus.

That is an exaggeration and embellishment. There haven't been thousands and the comments made are toward the Pope. But as I wrote in the previous post, there are violent things occurring in the US because of their beliefs in Jesus (Christianity), so it is not different.

TWHolt

JIHAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will never,or try to, understand the Muslim faith. Think i might go get a big mac, fries and medium coke instead.

rebornFixer

Boozer wrote:

JIHAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will never,or try to, understand the Muslim faith. Think i might go get a big mac, fries and medium coke instead.

That's because you're a Godless infidel ...

TWHolt

reborncareerist wrote:

That's because you're a Godless infidel ...

"Now you have both sides
Claiming killing in God's name
but God is nowhere
to be found convenientely"

I have Faith that a mac in Canada will taste the same as a mac in Iraq. Delicious.