So are the Muslims doing their best to prove the Pope right?
Muslim 1: "Hey! The Pope just called us violent."
Muslim 2: "No way! We are peaceful!"
Muslim 1: "I know. Hey, let's go burn a Catholic church down to get back at the pope."
Muslim 2: "That's a good idea. Us, violent? C'mon."
Wouldn't it be awesome if the Pope went to Mecca, stood atop the Kaaba, picked up a guitar, plugged it in, turned it up to 11, and started playing the opening riff to Black Sabbath's 'Supernaut'? And then a procession of Sunni Mulsims on a pilgrimage would start head banging in unison until Pope Benedict suddenly switched to playing 'Paradise City' at which point President Ahmadinejad of Iran would parachute out of a helicopter with a cordless microphone, and as he drifted down to earth, he belted out "Take me down to the Paradise City, where the grass is green and the girls are pretty" to which a choir of Orthodox Jews would respond "Oh won't you please take me home, yea-yeah!"
That'll be that day:D
It may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.
The news just reported that an Italian nun was shot in Somalia.
This is not good.
When are we going to realise that religion just causes more trouble than it's worth, and start to keep our faith - or lack thereof - to ourselves (the only place it's important), and get down to the more business of focusing on the things we have in common, the issues that are important to everyone - like surviving the mess we've made of the one world we've got? Enough self/mutual-destruction already!
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(AINA) -- According to the website Islam Memo, one Christian was killed in Baghdad after the Pope's speech two days ago. The speech created a wave of anger throughout the Islamic world, including Iraq. A poster has been placed in many Baghdad mosques for the previously unknown group, "Kataab Ashbal Al Islam Al Salafi," (Islamic Salafist Boy Scout Battalions). This group threatens to kill all Christians in Iraq if the Pope does not apologize in three days in front of the whole world to Mohammed. http://www.aina.org/news/20060916154058.htm
Somali cleric calls for pope's death
"Whoever offends our Prophet Mohammed should be killed on the spot by the nearest Muslim," Malin, a prominent cleric in the Somali capital, told worshippers at a mosque in southern Mogadishu.
What do folks expect from one of the Hitler Youth?
This Pope is bad news.
As for hanging all of the world's troubles on Muslims, might I suggest that you read up on the crusades, and the spanish inquisition? These are things that had long lasting if not permanent effects on the peoples of many religions the world over.
If you're going to bash Muslims, at least try to understand how they've been treated throughout the centuries. They have not always been a warring people, and though there are extremists in any culture or society, the Muslim's have been reacting to threats on their faith, homeland, and ideology for centuries...often resulting in their displacement and slaughter.
People should'nt care what other people say, but I can see how comments can be misunderstood. nevertheless as far as the muslim world goes, they do have alot of troubles and a lot of anger due to these troubles, So I again can understand how on edge they may be and how quickly they are to defend themselves from even small insults.
But perhaps one day when things go better for them as a whole, those emotions that they have will be put into better use. Inshaallah.
A majority of their troubles are selfimposed and created by their own actions. It's their lack of respect and acceptance for/of anyone non-muslim and any Muslim who does not adhere to each individual's interpretation of Islam; that always leads to the violence they have been involved with in the past, present and no doubt the future.
Which is not to say Muslims have never been attacked without provocation, becaue they certainly have been victimized in some cases. But history shows they are usually the initiaters through their social, political and violence-orientated actions.
As for hanging all of the world's troubles on Muslims, might I suggest that you read up on the crusades, and the spanish inquisition? These are things that had long lasting if not permanent effects on the peoples of many religions the world over.
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If I remember correctly Muslims and Islam in general, can take some blame in the Crusades and Spanish Inquisition. They were not innocent little victims who were minding their own business; regardless of how some may try to portray them. There was a lot of selfish, self-interested, greedy and violent behavior and attacks by representitives of all the so-called Religious People (of all religions). They were all guilty of doing the same crap, to each other.
Interestingly, you'll never hear or see a Muslim admit that at any time were the people of Islam guilty of anything. Responsibility and accountability was and continues to be two things Muslims refuse to practice. It's always someone else's fault and it's always someone else who victimized the Muslims and Islam, in general.
Ah yes, blame......responsibility...accountability.......they are ever evasive for Muslims
What do folks expect from one of the Hitler Youth?
This Pope is bad news.
As for hanging all of the world's troubles on Muslims, might I suggest that you read up on the crusades, and the spanish inquisition? These are things that had long lasting if not permanent effects on the peoples of many religions the world over.
If you're going to bash Muslims, at least try to understand how they've been treated throughout the centuries. They have not always been a warring people, and though there are extremists in any culture or society, the Muslim's have been reacting to threats on their faith, homeland, and ideology for centuries...often resulting in their displacement and slaughter.
So it's not ok to stereotype all Muslims as idiots and terrorists but it's perfectly ok to bring up Hitler's name just because someone is from Germnay?And so what if he was in Hitler youth so was every other German.And I don't see how something which occured centuries ago like the crusades gives them permission to bully the rest of the world and act like animals.
It may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.
It's amazing how Muslims stereotype Westerners, non-believers and White people. But that's okay. Apparently their Prophet has granted them the liberties to think and act out in this manner, without ever having to face responsibility and accountability for their words and actions.
Apparently, those very same liberties are not extended to non-believers.
Apparently, it is only Muslims who can think and act through ignorant stereotypes, without ever taking responsibility and accountability.
What do folks expect from one of the Hitler Youth?
This Pope is bad news.
As for hanging all of the world's troubles on Muslims, might I suggest that you read up on the crusades, and the spanish inquisition? These are things that had long lasting if not permanent effects on the peoples of many religions the world over.
If you're going to bash Muslims, at least try to understand how they've been treated throughout the centuries. They have not always been a warring people, and though there are extremists in any culture or society, the Muslim's have been reacting to threats on their faith, homeland, and ideology for centuries...often resulting in their displacement and slaughter.
This is sick. The Pope quotes a centuries old speech (keyword being quotes). Because of the Pope's quote (words only), Muslims burn churches and kill a nun. It is sick that you think this is the Pope's fault. The Pope was right (be it the one now, or the Pope from centuries ago).
Correct. But it's the Muslims causing problems/killing/raping people in Africa, flying planes into buildings in the US, bombing subways in the UK, blowing up trains in Spain...
It's not the Christians, Buddhists, Atheists or any other group of people- its the Muslims, so even though there are millions upon millions of rational Muslim people- the stereotype exists for a reason.
These secular/rational Muslim countries like Turkey need to start speaking up against these lunatics...
I despise the whole Catholic corporate religion deal but there was nothing wrong with what the Pope said. Plenty of Muslim clerics have spoken out against westerners so I dont see the problem.
But when focused on I am sure you can just find just as many bad examples in any religion. Oklahoma City, olympic park bombing, anthrax scare, assasination of jfk, unjust wars, CIA operations in El Salvador, etc, etc. All Christains. Yet these people don't define Christainity. All I am trying to convey, that it is unfair and unjust to define Islam and all Muslims by the actions of a minority. Muslim clerics who lead millions worldwide have never said anything negative about any Prophet. The West is not a religion. What is wrong with the Pope's comments, is that he is a religous leader of millions around the world who is being intolerant to another's faith and just the very bad timing, the Iraq war is being seen as an attack against Muslims by Christains and this just adds to it.
It's just an op-ed, and honestly I can't imagine a full-out war between East & West emerging because of something the Pope said (even as offensive as what the Pope said may have been).
I will say, I bet we'll see terror attacks against the Vatican in the next 12 months or so.
I think with the current situation the pope should have been smarter. Pope John Paul II had a interreligious understanding thing going on (yeah I have no idea what's it called in English), he had an Islam expert. He let that interreligious understanding group of people advise him on his speeches. The new pope apparently doesn't need them and wrote this speech himself without going to islam experts or something...
He should have been smarter but that doesn't I think it's his fault.
"We want a personal apology (from the Pope). We feel that he has committed a grave error against us and that this mistake will only be removed through a personal apology," Muslim Brotherhood Deputy Leader Mohammed Habib told Reuters."
Fuck you, Habib. Talk when one single Muslim ever admits and apologises for anything.
"Reason is the substance of Islam and its teachings ... Islam prohibited violence in human life. Anyone who wants the truth (about Islam) must take it from Islam's holy book, the Koran, rather than from a dialogue or excerpts," he said." -the Grand Mufti Sheik Mohammed Rashid Kabbani
"We want a personal apology (from the Pope). We feel that he has committed a grave error against us and that this mistake will only be removed through a personal apology," Muslim Brotherhood Deputy Leader Mohammed Habib told Reuters."
Fuck you, Habib. Talk when one single Muslim ever admits and apologises for anything.
"Reason is the substance of Islam and its teachings ... Islam prohibited violence in human life. Anyone who wants the truth (about Islam) must take it from Islam's holy book, the Koran, rather than from a dialogue or excerpts," he said." -the Grand Mufti Sheik Mohammed Rashid Kabbani
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What do you want them to apologise for? perhaps you tasted some hummus that was sour? what exactly should they say "sorry" for?
I mean I don't think the pope should say sorry, he has every right to say what he feels, of course one would hope that a person in a high place should be perhaps more senstive? nevertheless do you want apologies from just regular muslims like me? or ones that are in high places like?
To which I point to suffering. The more suffering in a society, the higher the religious stronghold. Our society maybe religious but we don't take it so literal and let it consume us. We have other things to enjoy and live for.
So here goes. I have no clue what the pope said because I am not Catholic and tend to not really pay attention to such hiarchy in religions. But here I found a quote that mentions religion in society so I will share my thoughts...along with (as usual) my disclaimer that these are my beliefs, my truths and not at all the truths that I will force on people as their own unless they chose to borrow them and make them their own too ....which is of course our own perogative.
I found out after I began to read the Bible that the religions as we know them as "religion" is really more of the ways the Old Testament people lived. In the religions that I was part of, Greek Orthodox and then for a brief time Catholic, they practiced the ways of the Old Testament. Only the priests could read the Bible and confession was the way for forgiveness through the priest. Also, you needed the priests to intercede for you so that God could hear the prayers.
Then Jesus came and said to the Pharisees basically, "you know the rules but your hearts are hard...". Which meant that you could know the scriptures, fast, pray etc but when you treat people around you like garbage then all of that means nothing. Also, when Christ was crucified the holy of holies (the temple that the high priests use to be in where a person would go to the door and give the intent of prayer they sought for their family or themselves and then the priest would go in pray, maybe make a sacrifice and come back to the person to say that their prayer was heard by God) curtain was ripped in half, representing the new way where you yourself can go to the Father and pray. There is really no need for a middle man after Jesus has come and done His work. Also, the cool thing about Him is that the people who He hung out with would be the same people that you might find here even on this pit...(in this pit????) whereas the "holy" people ..(maybe like the high priests of now????popes, bishops, etc) would scorn as unworthy.
So yeah, "religion" as you say is for the oppressed but faith is for the free.
I'm sorry that I get carried away but the so cool thing is that true faith is not about the rules, although yes we should live a life of conviction and a life of honor, helping those who need us to help them, but faith is really the belief that life works itself out for our better as we sow good things into it and as we go through the bad, we pray that we have strength to see it through and that it makes us better people in the end after it is through.
Right now I am going through a valley and I have to keep that hope in order to survive................
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Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
So it's not ok to stereotype all Muslims as idiots and terrorists but it's perfectly ok to bring up Hitler's name just because someone is from Germnay?And so what if he was in Hitler youth so was every other German.And I don't see how something which occured centuries ago like the crusades gives them permission to bully the rest of the world and act like animals.
So what if he was Hitler Youth?
How does something that happened centuries ago influence what happens today?
Are you being rhetorical, or do you expect a real answer from me?
"Reason is the substance of Islam and its teachings ... Islam prohibited violence in human life. Anyone who wants the truth (about Islam) must take it from Islam's holy book, the Koran, rather than from a dialogue or excerpts," he said." -the Grand Mufti Sheik Mohammed Rashid Kabbani
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So you have read the entire Qur'an and you think it promotes violence?
Here were my thoughts in order about this:
First: OMG, they will blow up the Vatican. (Can you imagine?)
Second: The Pope knew full well what he said and the reprecussions.
Third: Why are the muslims yelling things like, "death to america", "death to Israel", and "death to the UK", for something the Pope said?
Fourth: Why don't christians, etc care when others bash their religion...I know, because they secure in their faith.
Now: this world keeps getting scarier and scarier.
Then I think this, I know why the gas prices are suddenly so low...the gas comapnies want republicans to stay in power.
The end.
I am not so sure most christians care...even those who do, they don't take drastic actions to change someone elses view.
I think christains, for the most part, are accepting of other religions, even if they are contradictary to their own.
To me, it seems that if one is secure in their faith, what others say should have no importance to them.
I think most roll their eyes when they hear some radical group saying bad things about christianity. I don't see too many christians forcing their beliefs thru violence. Or using violence when someone bashes their religion.
I am not so sure most christians care...even those who do, they don't take drastic actions to change someone elses view.
I think christains, for the most part, are accepting of other religions, even if they are contradictary to their own.
To me, it seems that if one is secure in their faith, what others say should have no importance to them.
I think most roll their eyes when they hear some radical group saying bad things about christianity. I don't see too many christians forcing their beliefs thru violence. Or using violence when someone bashes their religion.
I didn't say they use violence, I said they care and they do.
I am not so sure most christians care...even those who do, they don't take drastic actions to change someone elses view.
Well the pro lifers are a violent group and the penal system in this country is puritanical/Christian and people (some who are innocent, poor, mentally-ill,etc.) are executed often. That is violent way of changing people's minds.
Well the pro lifers are a violent group and the penal system in this country is puritanical/Christian and people (some who are innocent, poor, mentally-ill,etc.) are executed often. That is violent way of changing people's minds.
True. However, I have seen on TV thousands in the streets, all over the world, calling for death to america, Israel, and the UK because of the Pope's comments.
I have never seen that in the US over someone saying something about Jesus.
True. However, I have seen on TV thousands in the streets, all over the world, calling for death to america, Israel, and the UK because of the Pope's comments.
I have never seen that in the US over someone saying something about Jesus.
Exactly. Christians care when God or a religious symbol is desecrated or when they are insulted. But i haven't heard of people calling for death of anyone over it. They usually just call for boycotts or they try to appeal to people to not put out "offensive" material.
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You know it really just makes me shake my head....if you are so passionate about your faith (this goes to any faith) who really cares what the man nexts to you believe....to me to insult or to take offence to insult because of another's faith shows, at least to me, insecurity in your own beliefs......
You took the words right out of my mouth and fingers!
Why are extremist muslims so weak and sensitive to criticism or slights to their religion? You can say whatever you want about my practice, Buddhism, but my interest, respect and belief in it can stand criticism against it. Why can't they be the same?
Oh, let me guess, they really don't believe in it too, or, the comments of the Pope have a truth to it and that's what offends them.
either way, if you're going to wear your religion on your sleeve, be proud of it and ignore stupid comments about it based out of ignorance, like the Pope's.
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I think part of the problem is the global perception of Islam in it's current state. It's widely believed that Islam is the root of violence in the world. Mostly due to recent events and recent propaganda.
An artist depicts Mohammad the prophet with a bomb on his head. This implies what Muslims have been trying to defend against. That is deragatory references to their religious beliefs. Anyone of any religion will feel the same.
The difference being that Christianity hasn't had the role of Islam in our lives as we live them today. It has been the core of violence in the past however. But most can look at criticism of it in jest and continue practicing and promoting their beliefs despite a few nasty charicatures.
Islam is at a critical mass, a boiling point where these criticisms are taken to heart. While I am atheist/agnostic and don't support any religion, I can respect them and refrain from deragatory statements and images.
As an atheist I would never consider drawing Jesus with nuclear bombs for arms and slaves for legs or anything of the sort. If I produced drawings of the Jewish Pharisees as tyrants, hypocrits and war-mongers, I'd likely be sentanced to jail for "hate-crimes" against Jews.
Regarding the Funamental Attribution Error. Let's look at it from a non-partisan perspective. Look at it from the same perspective that you look at other propaganda that you disagree with. The pope's comments and the depiction of Mohammad are direct and negative attacks on a religion supported by billions of people.
You will hear me argue religion as the root of all evil, as evil doesn't exist outside of religion. Good and evil are manifestations of religion. However, I regard them all the same and refrain from attacks on specific beliefs or practices. In these cases it's representative of an alternative religious belief system and seaks to discredit their oppositional beliefs to strengthen their own.
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True. However, I have seen on TV thousands in the streets, all over the world, calling for death to america, Israel, and the UK because of the Pope's comments.
I have never seen that in the US over someone saying something about Jesus.
That is an exaggeration and embellishment. There haven't been thousands and the comments made are toward the Pope. But as I wrote in the previous post, there are violent things occurring in the US because of their beliefs in Jesus (Christianity), so it is not different.
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Muslim 1: "Hey! The Pope just called us violent."
Muslim 2: "No way! We are peaceful!"
Muslim 1: "I know. Hey, let's go burn a Catholic church down to get back at the pope."
Muslim 2: "That's a good idea. Us, violent? C'mon."
That'll be that day:D
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.
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This is not good.
When are we going to realise that religion just causes more trouble than it's worth, and start to keep our faith - or lack thereof - to ourselves (the only place it's important), and get down to the more business of focusing on the things we have in common, the issues that are important to everyone - like surviving the mess we've made of the one world we've got? Enough self/mutual-destruction already!
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http://www.aina.org/news/20060916154058.htm
Somali cleric calls for pope's death
"Whoever offends our Prophet Mohammed should be killed on the spot by the nearest Muslim," Malin, a prominent cleric in the Somali capital, told worshippers at a mosque in southern Mogadishu.
"We call on all Islamic Communities across the world to take revenge on the baseless critic called the pope," he said.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/somali-cleric-calls-for-popes-death/2006/09/16/1158334739295.html
sounds like he hit the nail on the head
This Pope is bad news.
As for hanging all of the world's troubles on Muslims, might I suggest that you read up on the crusades, and the spanish inquisition? These are things that had long lasting if not permanent effects on the peoples of many religions the world over.
If you're going to bash Muslims, at least try to understand how they've been treated throughout the centuries. They have not always been a warring people, and though there are extremists in any culture or society, the Muslim's have been reacting to threats on their faith, homeland, and ideology for centuries...often resulting in their displacement and slaughter.
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A majority of their troubles are selfimposed and created by their own actions. It's their lack of respect and acceptance for/of anyone non-muslim and any Muslim who does not adhere to each individual's interpretation of Islam; that always leads to the violence they have been involved with in the past, present and no doubt the future.
Which is not to say Muslims have never been attacked without provocation, becaue they certainly have been victimized in some cases. But history shows they are usually the initiaters through their social, political and violence-orientated actions.
If I remember correctly Muslims and Islam in general, can take some blame in the Crusades and Spanish Inquisition. They were not innocent little victims who were minding their own business; regardless of how some may try to portray them. There was a lot of selfish, self-interested, greedy and violent behavior and attacks by representitives of all the so-called Religious People (of all religions). They were all guilty of doing the same crap, to each other.
Interestingly, you'll never hear or see a Muslim admit that at any time were the people of Islam guilty of anything. Responsibility and accountability was and continues to be two things Muslims refuse to practice. It's always someone else's fault and it's always someone else who victimized the Muslims and Islam, in general.
Ah yes, blame......responsibility...accountability.......they are ever evasive for Muslims
So it's not ok to stereotype all Muslims as idiots and terrorists but it's perfectly ok to bring up Hitler's name just because someone is from Germnay?And so what if he was in Hitler youth so was every other German.And I don't see how something which occured centuries ago like the crusades gives them permission to bully the rest of the world and act like animals.
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.
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Apparently, those very same liberties are not extended to non-believers.
Apparently, it is only Muslims who can think and act through ignorant stereotypes, without ever taking responsibility and accountability.
This is sick. The Pope quotes a centuries old speech (keyword being quotes). Because of the Pope's quote (words only), Muslims burn churches and kill a nun. It is sick that you think this is the Pope's fault. The Pope was right (be it the one now, or the Pope from centuries ago).
But when focused on I am sure you can just find just as many bad examples in any religion. Oklahoma City, olympic park bombing, anthrax scare, assasination of jfk, unjust wars, CIA operations in El Salvador, etc, etc. All Christains. Yet these people don't define Christainity. All I am trying to convey, that it is unfair and unjust to define Islam and all Muslims by the actions of a minority. Muslim clerics who lead millions worldwide have never said anything negative about any Prophet. The West is not a religion. What is wrong with the Pope's comments, is that he is a religous leader of millions around the world who is being intolerant to another's faith and just the very bad timing, the Iraq war is being seen as an attack against Muslims by Christains and this just adds to it.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3304575,00.html
It's just an op-ed, and honestly I can't imagine a full-out war between East & West emerging because of something the Pope said (even as offensive as what the Pope said may have been).
I will say, I bet we'll see terror attacks against the Vatican in the next 12 months or so.
He should have been smarter but that doesn't I think it's his fault.
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Fuck you, Habib. Talk when one single Muslim ever admits and apologises for anything.
"Reason is the substance of Islam and its teachings ... Islam prohibited violence in human life. Anyone who wants the truth (about Islam) must take it from Islam's holy book, the Koran, rather than from a dialogue or excerpts," he said." -the Grand Mufti Sheik Mohammed Rashid Kabbani
It doesn't show.
What do you want them to apologise for? perhaps you tasted some hummus that was sour? what exactly should they say "sorry" for?
I mean I don't think the pope should say sorry, he has every right to say what he feels, of course one would hope that a person in a high place should be perhaps more senstive? nevertheless do you want apologies from just regular muslims like me? or ones that are in high places like?
You're a smart man. So don't ask ridiculous questions.
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That should be the right link. Marian Finucane's Sunday show on RTE Radio 1.
So here goes. I have no clue what the pope said because I am not Catholic and tend to not really pay attention to such hiarchy in religions. But here I found a quote that mentions religion in society so I will share my thoughts...along with (as usual) my disclaimer that these are my beliefs, my truths and not at all the truths that I will force on people as their own unless they chose to borrow them and make them their own too ....which is of course our own perogative.
I found out after I began to read the Bible that the religions as we know them as "religion" is really more of the ways the Old Testament people lived. In the religions that I was part of, Greek Orthodox and then for a brief time Catholic, they practiced the ways of the Old Testament. Only the priests could read the Bible and confession was the way for forgiveness through the priest. Also, you needed the priests to intercede for you so that God could hear the prayers.
Then Jesus came and said to the Pharisees basically, "you know the rules but your hearts are hard...". Which meant that you could know the scriptures, fast, pray etc but when you treat people around you like garbage then all of that means nothing. Also, when Christ was crucified the holy of holies (the temple that the high priests use to be in where a person would go to the door and give the intent of prayer they sought for their family or themselves and then the priest would go in pray, maybe make a sacrifice and come back to the person to say that their prayer was heard by God) curtain was ripped in half, representing the new way where you yourself can go to the Father and pray. There is really no need for a middle man after Jesus has come and done His work. Also, the cool thing about Him is that the people who He hung out with would be the same people that you might find here even on this pit...(in this pit????) whereas the "holy" people ..(maybe like the high priests of now????popes, bishops, etc) would scorn as unworthy.
So yeah, "religion" as you say is for the oppressed but faith is for the free.
I'm sorry that I get carried away but the so cool thing is that true faith is not about the rules, although yes we should live a life of conviction and a life of honor, helping those who need us to help them, but faith is really the belief that life works itself out for our better as we sow good things into it and as we go through the bad, we pray that we have strength to see it through and that it makes us better people in the end after it is through.
Right now I am going through a valley and I have to keep that hope in order to survive................
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
So what if he was Hitler Youth?
How does something that happened centuries ago influence what happens today?
Are you being rhetorical, or do you expect a real answer from me?
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So you have read the entire Qur'an and you think it promotes violence?
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First: OMG, they will blow up the Vatican. (Can you imagine?)
Second: The Pope knew full well what he said and the reprecussions.
Third: Why are the muslims yelling things like, "death to america", "death to Israel", and "death to the UK", for something the Pope said?
Fourth: Why don't christians, etc care when others bash their religion...I know, because they secure in their faith.
Now: this world keeps getting scarier and scarier.
Then I think this, I know why the gas prices are suddenly so low...the gas comapnies want republicans to stay in power.
The end.
Christians care when you bash their religion.
I agree.
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I think christains, for the most part, are accepting of other religions, even if they are contradictary to their own.
To me, it seems that if one is secure in their faith, what others say should have no importance to them.
I think most roll their eyes when they hear some radical group saying bad things about christianity. I don't see too many christians forcing their beliefs thru violence. Or using violence when someone bashes their religion.
I didn't say they use violence, I said they care and they do.
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Well the pro lifers are a violent group and the penal system in this country is puritanical/Christian and people (some who are innocent, poor, mentally-ill,etc.) are executed often. That is violent way of changing people's minds.
I have never seen that in the US over someone saying something about Jesus.
Exactly. Christians care when God or a religious symbol is desecrated or when they are insulted. But i haven't heard of people calling for death of anyone over it. They usually just call for boycotts or they try to appeal to people to not put out "offensive" material.
You took the words right out of my mouth and fingers!
Why are extremist muslims so weak and sensitive to criticism or slights to their religion? You can say whatever you want about my practice, Buddhism, but my interest, respect and belief in it can stand criticism against it. Why can't they be the same?
Oh, let me guess, they really don't believe in it too, or, the comments of the Pope have a truth to it and that's what offends them.
either way, if you're going to wear your religion on your sleeve, be proud of it and ignore stupid comments about it based out of ignorance, like the Pope's.
First PJ Show: March 20, 1994 | Ann Arbor | Crisler Arena
An artist depicts Mohammad the prophet with a bomb on his head. This implies what Muslims have been trying to defend against. That is deragatory references to their religious beliefs. Anyone of any religion will feel the same.
The difference being that Christianity hasn't had the role of Islam in our lives as we live them today. It has been the core of violence in the past however. But most can look at criticism of it in jest and continue practicing and promoting their beliefs despite a few nasty charicatures.
Islam is at a critical mass, a boiling point where these criticisms are taken to heart. While I am atheist/agnostic and don't support any religion, I can respect them and refrain from deragatory statements and images.
As an atheist I would never consider drawing Jesus with nuclear bombs for arms and slaves for legs or anything of the sort. If I produced drawings of the Jewish Pharisees as tyrants, hypocrits and war-mongers, I'd likely be sentanced to jail for "hate-crimes" against Jews.
Regarding the Funamental Attribution Error. Let's look at it from a non-partisan perspective. Look at it from the same perspective that you look at other propaganda that you disagree with. The pope's comments and the depiction of Mohammad are direct and negative attacks on a religion supported by billions of people.
You will hear me argue religion as the root of all evil, as evil doesn't exist outside of religion. Good and evil are manifestations of religion. However, I regard them all the same and refrain from attacks on specific beliefs or practices. In these cases it's representative of an alternative religious belief system and seaks to discredit their oppositional beliefs to strengthen their own.
That is an exaggeration and embellishment. There haven't been thousands and the comments made are toward the Pope. But as I wrote in the previous post, there are violent things occurring in the US because of their beliefs in Jesus (Christianity), so it is not different.