Enough of this crap!!

Kann

bootlegger10 wrote:

Okay, I'll throw you a bone here and try to answer thoughtfully to the OP.

With the issue of the economy, you think the "Savages who don't know their asses from their elbows" are idiots for not voting Democrat. Well, instead of namecalling and assumptions that any change is good change, you should think about the issue. In the history of the world, we have seen how socialism has ruined economies. We have also seen how tax cuts have spurred on economic growth (1980's and post 2002 - 2005). So, I guess we are savages to think that maybe the current plan is not working well and could use some change (but we still grew 3% last quarter), but don't want to vote for the change the Democrats are proposing because we don't believe that will work either and make things worse than they are now.

Socialism never ruined any economy, unless I missed something? However, Argentina showed that an unbrided economy in the wrong climate could lead to a massive economical breakdown. But that's not the point, the point is an economy is not ruined or successful with just one factor (for example taxes). It's a various mix of factors. For instance democrats will (allegedly - I haven't read the programs) tax more than republicans but may spend less. Who can say for sure which policy will make things worse?
Basically, seeing things from outside the usa (as does the op), I think any change is a good change because many disagree with the us foreing policy while we care much less with your domestic problems.

OffHeGoes29

MrBrian wrote:

Yeah white people get hit by Hurricanes all the time, but what happened to the blacks in New Orleans would never of happened if it was a city/area full of white americans. (a slow and insufficient response to the disaster)

I agree

heartdesire

Moonpig wrote:

Right, let's set some things straight here, if not for my own sanity at this point. Been a member now for a few years, and on the whole I don't post a whole hell of a lot, read bucket loads of posts though. Recently I have found myself at ends with the posts I have been reading:

I am not a citizen of the USA, granted, but that can sometimes help bring some objectivity to the table. I can't believe when I read on here and see on the news that it is predicted to be a very close race come November, holy shit, guys is there any hope. Now I know that a lot of you, that post on these boards, seem like intelligent people, and I am sorry to say this, but the rest of that country must be inhabited by iliterate savages who don't know thier asses from their elbows.

This party has lied to you and the world about the dreaded WMD's so as to invade a soverign nation that never posed a threat. Allowed your black population in New Orleans literaly float past without lifting a finger. Has driven your country into the depths of an impending recession. Violated the human rights of countless people with these torture flights. Eroded completley what it is that defines the USA,namely freedom. Anyone entering your country is essentially treated to a barrage of backround searchs and have personnal information disclosed and retained. The word terrorist has come to mean muslim, the bile I read and hear on these are amazing and amount to nothing short of pure blind racism. Racism ingrained into a population that really should know better ie. I was watching a report that interviewed a number of people on a street corner and many said that they would not vote Obama due to - him being black, his name, many believe he is Muslim. The illegal detention centres that are set up at will, the millions who have been slaughtered etc.......I could go on and on and on

And it's going to be a close race, McCain even shows ahead in some polls
I have read that watching too much television may impact short term memory and perhaps that explains it on the whole, I just really dont know, I am at an absolute loss.

The straw that broke the camels back was when I was reading a post and somebody mentioned that there was no harm in teaching Creationist and Evolutionist ideas in schools, and that was it, I saw red. Because of this red mist post I am sure to have insulted many of you whom I would not have wanted to, and if I have, I honest to God apoligise.

Rant over

Thank you! No offense taken. I agree with you. Please feel free to rant anytime.

Sometimes it takes an outside perspective to help show what is happening in our own backyard. Though unfortunately I have found many won't see this as it is right before their eyes and have no objectivity or further experience to weigh, balance or understand what is happening.

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Open questions for all ...

1) In regards to those who answered on Katrina ...

a) Did anyone help? Donate money, time or resources?
b) Do you actually know anyone from New Orleans who experienced this devastation?

2) I'm curious as to how many posters have actually traveled outside of the US?

emily18

I agree with the OP.

I was going to respond to at least half the posts in this, but then I realized it's pointless. They just don't get it and probably never will. America is no longer the greatest country in the world that other countries look at positively as a free, powerful nation. We're far from it. Now we're looked down upon as a country of ignorant assholes (not trying to be disrespectful or anything because I know some of you will look at that as "name-calling" and will overlook the rest of my post, I'm just saying that's how we're looked at). So I don't understand how people can defend our country and it's policies when it needs to be fixed drastically, and I also don't know why people are so blind to that. Change isn't a bad thing. It's necessary. And I really, REALLY, don't see how anyone can consider McCain. So you liked the last 8 years? You thought Bush did a good job? Because McCain's term is going to be exactly like that.

brandon10

emily18 wrote:

I agree with the OP.

I was going to respond to at least half the posts in this, but then I realized it's pointless. They just don't get it and probably never will. America is no longer the greatest country in the world that other countries look at positively as a free, powerful nation. We're far from it. Now we're looked down upon as a country of ignorant assholes (not trying to be disrespectful or anything because I know some of you will look at that as "name-calling" and will overlook the rest of my post, I'm just saying that's how we're looked at). So I don't understand how people can defend our country and it's policies when it needs to be fixed drastically, and I also don't know why people are so blind to that. Change isn't a bad thing. It's necessary. And I really, REALLY, don't see how anyone can consider McCain. So you liked the last 8 years? You thought Bush did a good job? Because McCain's term is going to be exactly like that.

Nicely put

I did respond to a few and then realized there is no point. I think it may just take a while for things to improve. As generations turn I think.

CorporateWhore

emily18 wrote:

I was going to respond to at least half the posts in this, but then I realized it's pointless.

LOL fucking elitist left-wing d-bag

heartdesire

CorporateWhore wrote:

LOL fucking elitist left-wing d-bag

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." ~ Voltaire

CorporateWhore

heart&desire wrote:

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." ~ Voltaire

A chara yer a better man/woman than me.

weenie

Moonpig wrote:

Right, let's set some things straight here, if not for my own sanity at this point. Been a member now for a few years, and on the whole I don't post a whole hell of a lot, read bucket loads of posts though. Recently I have found myself at ends with the posts I have been reading:

I am not a citizen of the USA, granted, but that can sometimes help bring some objectivity to the table. I can't believe when I read on here and see on the news that it is predicted to be a very close race come November, holy shit, guys is there any hope. Now I know that a lot of you, that post on these boards, seem like intelligent people, and I am sorry to say this, but the rest of that country must be inhabited by iliterate savages who don't know thier asses from their elbows.

This party has lied to you and the world about the dreaded WMD's so as to invade a soverign nation that never posed a threat. Allowed your black population in New Orleans literaly float past without lifting a finger. Has driven your country into the depths of an impending recession. Violated the human rights of countless people with these torture flights. Eroded completley what it is that defines the USA,namely freedom. Anyone entering your country is essentially treated to a barrage of backround searchs and have personnal information disclosed and retained. The word terrorist has come to mean muslim, the bile I read and hear on these are amazing and amount to nothing short of pure blind racism. Racism ingrained into a population that really should know better ie. I was watching a report that interviewed a number of people on a street corner and many said that they would not vote Obama due to - him being black, his name, many believe he is Muslim. The illegal detention centres that are set up at will, the millions who have been slaughtered etc.......I could go on and on and on

And it's going to be a close race, McCain even shows ahead in some polls
I have read that watching too much television may impact short term memory and perhaps that explains it on the whole, I just really dont know, I am at an absolute loss.

The straw that broke the camels back was when I was reading a post and somebody mentioned that there was no harm in teaching Creationist and Evolutionist ideas in schools, and that was it, I saw red. Because of this red mist post I am sure to have insulted many of you whom I would not have wanted to, and if I have, I honest to God apoligise.

Rant over

I for one am glad you posted your rant. I have to confess though that the answers from some of my fellow Americans scare the living shit out of me. Like yourself, I'm apalled at their lack of awareness and ability to get past their own filters. When W was elected the second time, I felt like it was time for me to move to another English speaking country. If McCain gets elected (and I'm sorry if I offend) who in my opinion is just a Bush clone, I'll probably start considering that move again. The ONLY thing that keeps my sanity is living here in Austin-a city of mostly open-minded, intelligent individuals. I lived in Virginia for 9 years and I can tell you from experience, it's not that way there.

dignin

CorporateWhore wrote:

A chara that was all you needed to say. Yer a commie ain't ya? Yer seeing Red?


Get a grip. People die in hurricanes. No need to play the blame game.

wow....all i got to say is wow

jeffbr

weenie wrote:

I for one am glad you posted your rant. I have to confess though that the answers from some of my fellow Americans scare the living shit out of me. Like yourself, I'm apalled at their lack of awareness and ability to get past their own filters. When W was elected the second time, I felt like it was time for me to move to another English speaking country. If McCain gets elected (and I'm sorry if I offend) who in my opinion is just a Bush clone, I'll probably start considering that move again. The ONLY thing that keeps my sanity is living here in Austin-a city of mostly open-minded, intelligent individuals. I lived in Virginia for 9 years and I can tell you from experience, it's not that way there.

Oh, please. If you were scared by the posts here, you really are your namesake.

And I don't believe for a second that you'll move. That's just something that blowhards like Vedder, Penn and Baldwin say. Empty promises.

bootlegger10

weenie wrote:

I for one am glad you posted your rant. I have to confess though that the answers from some of my fellow Americans scare the living shit out of me. Like yourself, I'm apalled at their lack of awareness and ability to get past their own filters. When W was elected the second time, I felt like it was time for me to move to another English speaking country. If McCain gets elected (and I'm sorry if I offend) who in my opinion is just a Bush clone, I'll probably start considering that move again. The ONLY thing that keeps my sanity is living here in Austin-a city of mostly open-minded, intelligent individuals. I lived in Virginia for 9 years and I can tell you from experience, it's not that way there.

Like most liberals it is your way or the highway. Eventually you'll get rid of all non-liberal thinkers, by law or persecution I'M SURE. It must be tough to not be able to accept that other folks may have different opinions from you. I'm sorry I don't believe in socialism like you do. I've seen how that outcome works out and it isn't pretty. Sorry to scare you.

heartdesire

jeffbr wrote:

Oh, please. If you were scared by the posts here, you really are your namesake.

And I don't believe for a second that you'll move. That's just something that blowhards like Vedder, Penn and Baldwin say. Empty promises.

Blowhards ... wow. I can't believe the intolerance of some of the folks here, this is just a minor example.

Unbelievable.

Yes I am a Vedder fan and he is not a blowhard. He is speaking his experience and truth, as many here are.

As Voltaire once stated so eloquently ... "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

Call us all blowhards who want to leave. Geez, Christopher Columbus was probably called a blowhard. And it was the naysayers that followed there after who started the cycle over again. : >

jeffbr

heart&desire wrote:

Blowhards ... wow. I can't believe the intolerance of some of the folks here, this is just a minor example.

Unbelievable.

Yes I am a Vedder fan and he is not a blowhard. He is speaking his experience and truth, as many here are.

Were he speaking truth he'd have moved. That was the blowhard reference. They get all worked up and threaten to leave the country if so-and-so gets elected.

heart&desire wrote:

As Voltaire once stated so eloquently ... "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

Call us all blowhards who want to leave. Geez, Christopher Columbus was probably called a blowhard. And it was the naysayers that followed there after who started the cycle over again. : >

If you want to leave, just leave. Why would you talk about it and not follow through? If you feel so passionately, then do it. Unless the passion really isn't there, and you're simply being melodramatic.

Don't compare Christopher Columbus, who was an explorer who actually risked his life and followed the dream with a celeb who talks a good game.

heartdesire

jeffbr wrote:

Were he speaking truth he'd have moved. That was the blowhard reference. They get all worked up and threaten to leave the country if so-and-so gets elected.




If you want to leave, just leave. Why would you talk about it and not follow through? If you feel so passionately, then do it. Unless the passion really isn't there, and you're simply being melodramatic.

Don't compare Christopher Columbus, who was an explorer who actually risked his life and followed the dream with a celeb who talks a good game.

Do you not have the ability to discuss or see the views of others without calling folks names cuz you disagree?

Sorry you don't like or agree with my comparison. It is not your right to tell me what to do. Then again, you don't seem to understand this. Your loss.

jeffbr

heart&desire wrote:

Do you not have the ability to discuss or see the views of others without calling folks names cuz you disagree?

Sorry you don't like or agree with my comparison. It is not your right to tell me what to do. Then again, you don't seem to understand this. Your loss.

You're right. Go ahead and compare Vedder with Jesus if you wish. My point remains that people who threaten/promise to leave and then don't are blowhards simply speaking for dramatic effect with no intention to follow through.

dignin

What rock did you right wing nuts crawl out from. This is a serious question.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

this thread is stupid.

poster 1: you're a bunch of morons!
poster 2: no U R
poster 3: No U!
...
poster 237: No U R Stupid!!!

and so on.

jeffbr

yield6 wrote:

What rock did you right wing nuts crawl out from. This is a serious question.

Why do you presume I'm a right wing nut? I've travelled, lived and done business in countries outside of North America. I enjoy travel, culture and the global economy. I am simply responding in kind to arrogance of posters presuming that all Americans are dumb, or misguided. Why does this confuse you? When eurotrash call us "iliterate savages who don't know thier asses from their elbows" it will likely bring the responses you're seeing. That's all there is to it. No xenofobia or fear. Just responding to jabs with jabs.

heartdesire

jeffbr wrote:

You're right. Go ahead and compare Vedder with Jesus if you wish. My point remains that people who threaten/promise to leave and then don't are blowhards simply speaking for dramatic effect with no intention to follow through.

First off I wasn't comparing Eddie to Christoper or anyone else for the fact of the matter. You read it as such. I was using Christopher Columbus as an example. There are many who would like to move from this country due to the extreme manipulation of the current administration. Note, I encourage you to not read into that statement either. I think the original OP stated some very truthful facts whether you can see them or not.

Maybe you and the individuals you hang out with are content with the way things are. I have experienced both sides. Some content, some dismayed and quite a few would like to move.

And please, patience my dear, maybe Ed and folk will move. The verdict hasn't come in yet. So if you could, please hold your "blowhard" judgment til' evidence becomes clearer. Somehow I feel that is asking too much of you.