I pity Religous People

Coming back to life

Infinity_Now wrote:

total double post:

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but so well worth it.

That shaking advert pisses me off

Infinity_Now

the whooze'it-what'now?

Coming back to life

Infinity_Now wrote:

the whooze'it-what'now?

The shaking advert on the right

angelica

Songburst wrote:

cornnifer wrote:

I can't say it enough. Those who think faith is responsible for all the worlds atrocities really need to wake the fuck up, open their eyes and see things from a not prejudiced view. I could care less if you believe in God, but stop blaming everything that is wrong in the world on those of us who do. Its weak and fucking pathetic. Holy shit, you people kill me. You're right. Atheists do no wrong and Christians and other people of faith do all the killing. I wonder how often Pol fucking Pot went to church or prayed. Sheesh. I wish people would shut the hell up with this stupid shit.

I can't believe nobody replied to this yet. You are pretty jaded if you think that athiests cause as much shit as Christians (or the faithful) do. All you have to do is look at all of the killing that has taken place in the name of Christ vs the number of killings performed by "crazy" athiests. Here is a little insight for you: To this day, you are hard pressed to find more devoted Christians than German Baptists. If you can name anybody (group or person) with an athiest point of view who were responsible for as many murders as the Germans were in WW2, I'll concede the greatness of Christianity. Just to let you know, the Germans carried out their WW2 plans in the name of the God. They even had God With Us embroidered on their uniforms. I'm sure that God was swelling with pride over that little commercial for Christianity. Ah well. Believe what your parents told you to. I'm sure that they are right.

Note the part where cornnifer said : "see things from a not prejudiced view"

If anyone is imagining one group to be "worse" and their own group "better", when in actuality we're all humans and we all do stupid things and we all do cool things, I'm hearing prujudice and personal bias. Human stupidity and arrogance has caused problems through time, not true faith.

Faith itself is the opposite of the cause of our problems through time. It has been humankind itself, with it's flawed propensity to bypass the true faith in our highest ideals. We've excused ourselves from acting on true faith and we've given ourselves license to insert human arrogance, ignorance and fallacy into so-called problem solving. THIS has caused our problems. Faith has been a convenient scapegoat.

farfromglorified

angelica wrote:

We've excused ourselves from acting on true faith and we've given ourselves license to insert human arrogance, ignorance and fallacy into so-called problem solving.

"Human arrogance, ignorance and fallacy" are the underlying causes of faith. In the absence of those things, faith is no longer possible.

angelica

farfromglorified wrote:

"Human arrogance, ignorance and fallacy" are the underlying causes of faith. In the absence of those things, faith is no longer possible.

Truly acting on faith is acting on our highest ideals. When we are not aligned completely with our highest ideals, we are no longer acting from faith. Therefore anything unaligned with the highest ideals is not faith. It is lack of faith.

farfromglorified

angelica wrote:

Truly acting on faith is acting on our highest ideals.

Acting on our highest ideals is only faith when those ideals have no basis in Truth. The man who builds a bridge without understanding the ground beneath him or the rules that govern his structure is a man acting on faith. His bridge will likely collapse.

LikeAnOcean

Milestone wrote:

Not really. Athiests don't preach their beliefs, or take over countries and kill people because people don't think the same way.


It's not like I go to Athiest meetings or anything. It's just a word that means that I don't believe in God, Heaven, or Hell.

But Atheist do preach their beleifs. ALL the time here. "religion is the cause of all wars." and "I pity the religious." <-those are beliefs.

And why would you go to a meeting for nothing. Telling me you don't go to athiest meetings is like me telling you I don't go to AA meetings..

angelica

farfromglorified wrote:

Acting on our highest ideals is only faith when those ideals have no basis in Truth.

It's interesting that you seem think faith and truth are dichotomous.

When you have faith in the law of reciprocity, it is not because it is not a true law, it is rather because you've come to recognise it IS a true law. Ditto for karma. You have faith in that law, and even live based on such a law, because you KNOW it to be true. The "not real" part is that it's a metaphysical law, and therefore not scientically quantifiable, which is very different from being unreal.

farfromglorified

angelica wrote:

It's interesting that you seem think faith and truth are dichotomous.

I don't, unless of course that which someone has faith in is untrue. When someone has faith in something true, the faith part is superfluous.

When you have faith in the law of reciprocity, it is not because it is not a true law, it is rather because you've come to recognise it IS a true law.

I don't have any more faith in the law of reciprocity than I have faith in the law of gravity. I simply know they are true. Having "faith" in them is as pointless as having faith in your own existence.

angelica

farfromglorified wrote:

I don't have any more faith in the law of reciprocity than I have faith in the law of gravity. I simply know they are true. Having "faith" in them is as pointless as having faith in your own existence.

You terminology may be different, and yet apparently you can understand what the faithful are talking about. At least when they are being truly faithful.

The confusion enters in because people begin to see the acts of someone like George Bush as representing what religious faith is, when instead many of his actions are examples of pretend faith or of choosing unaligned with the ideals. War and killing are evidence of lack of faith.

farfromglorified

angelica wrote:

You terminology may be different, and yet apparently you can understand what the faithful are talking about. At least when they are being truly faithful.

The confusion enters in because people begin to see the acts of someone like George Bush as representing what religious faith is, when instead many of his actions are examples of pretend faith or of choosing unaligned with the ideals. War and killing are evidence of lack of faith.

I can understand what the faithful are talking about. All of them. In the context of God, they're talking about something that, by definition, they cannot define. And their actions are quite consistent with that faith. George Bush is an excellent example of the faithful, as are the many here who profess their faith in the divinity of God or lackthereof.

War and killing are evidence of a complete and total love of faith. Faith in the fallacy that death can create life. Faith in the fallacy that chaos can create security. Faith in the hypocrisy of loving life and destroying it at the same time.

Jeremy1012

sourdough wrote:

I'd like to remind you of the role religious people play in our society ranging from soup kitchens, food banks, charitable drives etc... The christian organizations exceed atheist groups, so before you start bashing, maybe we should be thinaking them until someone else is going to step up to the plate.

should we be thanking religious people for the wars, the bombings and the hatred in the world? I don't think some soup kitchens justify that.

angelica

farfromglorified wrote:

When someone has faith in something true, the faith part is superfluous.

According to dictionary.com:

Faith:

1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.
2. Belief that does not rest on ... material evidence.
3. Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance
4. often Faith Christianity. The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.
6. A set of principles or beliefs.

Faith does not look superfluous at all to me in the light of Knowing and truth, but rather that it supports the truths.

In regards to number 4, I'd like to point out that those who have faith in God know God to be real, like gravity, reciprocity or karma.

farfromglorified

Jeremy1012 wrote:

should we be thanking religious people for the wars, the bombings and the hatred in the world?

No. You should just stop fighting in them and paying for them.

floyd1975

Jeremy1012 wrote:

should we be thanking religious people for the wars, the bombings and the hatred in the world? I don't think some soup kitchens justify that.

I see a problem with blaming a belief system over people who are assholes.

farfromglorified

angelica wrote:

According to dictionary.com:

Faith:

1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.
2. Belief that does not rest on ... material evidence.
3. Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance
4. often Faith Christianity. The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.
6. A set of principles or beliefs.

Faith does not look superfluous at all to me in the light of Knowing and truth, but rather that it supports the truths.

In regards to number 4, I'd like to point out that those who have faith in God know God to be real, like gravity, reciprocity or karma.

You forgot the rest of #2. And #5. And the fact that #1 is synonymous with the more apropos word knowledge.

Faith stems from the Latin "Fid", meaning to trust. To trust and to know are not the same.

angelica

farfromglorified wrote:

I can understand what the faithful are talking about. All of them. In the context of God, they're talking about something that, by definition, they cannot define. And their actions are quite consistent with that faith.

I agree that one cannot define what is beyond one's capacity to appreciate or define. The mystics/philosophers through the ages have defined the essential metaphysical truths that stem from what we cannot define and they are quite simple. That people do not follow the simple truths is about our lower brain functions that we have not learned to integrate with the higher ones. when we ignore our powerful lower functions and pretend they do not exist, they exist outside our awareness or control, much to our dismay.

George Bush is an excellent example of the faithful, as are the many here who profess their faith in the divinity of God or lackthereof.

War and killing are evidence of a complete and total love of faith. Faith in the fallacy that death can create life. Faith in the fallacy that chaos can create security. Faith in the hypocrisy of loving life and destroying it at the same time.

Faith in a fallacy is not an authentic faith to me. To me, by not being aligned to an ideal diminishes it's power and therefore one practicing such actions is no longer truly faithful. Although to the person who has this type of "faith", I'm sure it seems quite valid.

angelica

farfromglorified wrote:

You forgot the rest of #2.

If you don't understand ellipses, they actually refer to not forgetting parts. Rather, they clearly sybolise deliberately leaving them out. When I typed "..." I was communicating that I left out that which was not part of my point. It is my liberty to do so. That the word "or" separated the part I included and the part I left out, it indicated that they two did not hinge on one another for accuracy. The point that faith is a belief that does not rest on material evidence supported the point I made a few posts back. Lack of material evidence does not equal untruth.

And the fact that #1 is synonymous with the more apropos word knowledge.

Of course it is "more apropos" to you, however that's subjective judgment. According the the dictionary, it is a valid meaning for "faith"--they don't put these meanings on scales with their objective treatment of them. I note that you, along with dictionary.com, are supporting my point, though. Inner knowing/faith to me are as real as the "real". The inner Knowing is still knowing.

Faith stems from the Latin "Fid", meaning to trust. To trust and to know are not the same.

I trust that which I know. In this sense, supporting what one knows is firmly applicable, and not synonymous with being imaginary.

Being aligned to a falsehood means one is supporting what is not true. Therefore to me, that is not faith, but rather a false belief.

Jeremy1012

zstillings wrote:

I see a problem with blaming a belief system over people who are assholes.

those assholes are using their supposed faith as an excuse to cause destruction. If you erase the excuse then you erase the reason. just my two cents