I pity Religous People

Rhinocerous Surprise

sourdough wrote:

Maybe we should have a club. With retreats, and outreach programs! Then we could open soup kitchens and spread our emancipation of religion with others! Brilliant!

Am I the only one who finds it hard to detect sarcasm in written form sometimes?

cornnifer

Milestone wrote:

Not really. Athiests don't preach their beliefs, or take over countries and kill people because people don't think the same way.


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I can't say it enough. Those who think faith is responsible for all the worlds atrocities really need to wake the fuck up, open their eyes and see things from a not prejudiced view. I could care less if you believe in God, but stop blaming everything that is wrong in the world on those of us who do. Its weak and fucking pathetic. Holy shit, you people kill me. You're right. Atheists do no wrong and Christians and other people of faith do all the killing. I wonder how often Pol fucking Pot went to church or prayed. Sheesh. I wish people would shut the hell up with this stupid shit.

sourdough

I don't think anyone is blaming religion for ALL of the world's atrocities and problems, but you have to admit that it DOES play a significant role in many of today's and history's largest conflicts.

angelica

know1 wrote:

Christian by Maya Angelou

When I say... "I am a Christian"
I'm not shouting "I'm clean livin."
I'm whispering "I was lost,"
Now I'm found and forgiven.

When I say..."I am a Christian"
I don't speak of this with pride.
I'm confessing that I stumble
and need CHRIST to be my guide.

When I say... "I am a Christian"
I'm not trying to be strong.
I'm professing that I'm weak
and need HIS strength to carry on.

When I say... "I am a Christian"
I'm not bragging of success.
I'm admitting I have failed
and need God to clean my mess.

When I say... "I am a Christian"
I'm not claiming to be perfect,
My flaws are far too visible
but, God believes I am worth it.

When I say... "I am a Christian"
I still feel the sting of pain,
I have my share of heartaches
So I call upon His name.

When I say... "I am a Christian"
I'm not holier than thou,
I'm just a simple sinner
who received God's good grace, somehow.

~Maya Angelou~

I love the spirit of this. It also points out all the more that one is being true to claims of Christianity when one acts humble; can relate to being lost; understands the power of forgiveness; has understanding and compassion for weakness; admits to needing help and thereby being imperfect; when one acknowledges pain and heartache; when one recognises their own nature of being flawed.

When one acts contrary to such acts, one shows the myriad ways one needs God's grace in order to be worthy of the title. This therefore removes from one any license to judge others who also suffer the same humanity.

yotan18

Milestone wrote:

Here's how I see it. If you have to try and 'recruit' people to your religion, then your religion sucks. It should be able to 'sell' itself.

That being said, I'm athiest....but believe in the golden rule. It's gotten me this far.

i disagree, but very much respect your opinion. in our religion, we believe there is only one true religion... ours. and we ask people to try and hear our religions teachings, in the hopes that they be enlightened. but we don't force it in their mouths. they CAN say "no", anytime.

religion is not just a product. i its a belief. and how can you make someone believe if they don't know anything about it. so we ask them, if they would like to attend our worship service. if after they attend, and they are not intrested, then they have their choice, but as members, we have done our part.

yotan18

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

What bugs me is the intolerance people show to different groups...this applies to everyone...religion is personal in my opinion...be it your an atheist, Christian, Hebrew, Muslim, gnostic,etc.

One should never preach their religion to others about what is inherently right or wrong...everyone should respect each for what they believe in and in turn those with very strong beliefs should have the respect to those who do not belief in what they do....religion is a spiritual aspect of humanity that no one can prove within our realm of reality...hence why it is a belief...its not something we can prove through the material realm or with physical evidence....its spiritual so essentially it embodies indvidualism...you are what you are....if someones beliefs in one God are different than the other persons gods there should be no right or wrong....my point keep your preaching to yourself...if someone wants to hear it they will ask...do not force your beliefs upon others cause there is nothing to prove who is right and wrong....mutual respect is needed....in turn many people have died in the name of religion but that came as an effect of forcing and not willing to accept different spiritual beliefs....in esscence religion itself hs not caused millions of deaths...its the intolerant involed with religion using it as a control that has led to millions of deaths...those who truly value their beliefs and respect those of others would never kill in the name of their belief....

here me out. i am not against a religion preaching that they are the true religion, or that these are right and these are the wrong. because if they truly believe that they are right, they would also want others to have the privilege in being right. people now, would find out for themselves, what they think is the true religion.

however, i DISAGREE, that people MUST use VIOLENCE in spreading their religion. or by religion, declare holy wars.

prove that you're religion is true, not by force, but by example. that's for me.

decides2dream

i pity those who are completely closed off to others' ideas and beliefs..no matter what the topic. it is willingly shutting yourself off from many, and isn't being a part of this world and community one of the best parts of living? so no, i don't narrow my view down to religious folks....just anyone in general who has little to no tolerance for ANY beliefs outside their own.

yotan18

decides2dream wrote:

i pity those who are completely closed off to others' ideas and beliefs..no matter what the topic. it is willingly shutting yourself off from many, and isn't being a part of this world and community one of the best parts of living? so no, i don't narrow my view down to religious folks....just anyone in general who has little to no tolerance for ANY beliefs outside their own.

i agree about you but not fully. religion, for me, is a different thing. i you don't want to cross the street because you believe its bad luck, i'll let you deal with it. however, in religion, one has the belief that theirs is the true one. thus, with all faith in your heart, you believe it, you want people to at least hear you out.

HOWEVER, i am AGAINST forcing it to people. take and respect their decision if they are not interested. don't judge them, but at least you tried and let them know.

it is just sad, that some people use religion as excuses for power, money, etc.

maybe, JUST maybe, their RELIGION isn't the right one???

hmmm...

RockinInCanada

yotan18 wrote:

here me out. i am not against a religion preaching that they are the true religion, or that these are right and these are the wrong. because if they truly believe that they are right, they would also want others to have the privilege in being right. people now, would find out for themselves, what they think is the true religion.

however, i DISAGREE, that people MUST use VIOLENCE in spreading their religion. or by religion, declare holy wars.

prove that you're religion is true, not by force, but by example. that's for me.

Thats what I was getting at.....I just do not think anyone needs to use violence to promote religion....cause using violence only tarnishes the faith....so essentially, like you say, by example....

rightondude

LanceUppercut wrote:

Not all religous people, just the ones that total player haters to any other belief that isn't thier religous belief. The ones that believe that thier religous rules should be law. The ones who are constantly trying to "recruit" new members.

As much as you want to, you cann't choose your beliefs. So saying you pity people for not believeing in god is almost like saying you pity people for begin a different race. the person cann't do anything about it. You cann't say to a person, "believe in god" and the other person will. This narrow-mindedness is the entire reason I pity you.

Could you pity the better half of their foot in your ass?

That's actually a totally impartial question to illicit a response to another question I have.

stateofloventrust12

haha, my friend in i were in kash n karry today and we got "recruited" by some lady. somehow we got on the topic of his grandma asking if he goes to church and the lady behind us piped in " YOU SHOULD COME TO CALVARY". "Nope." he said, "ive already tried it many times". the lady insisted " BUT CALVARY IS DIFFERENT". god i wish that lady would have shut up so we could have done our mentos and diet coke thing sooner.

GOD DAMN HER!

EvilToasterElf

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

don't lump good people in with maniacs like that.


but don't pretend that some of the worst acts humanity has ever committed weren't in the name of christ either...

but, again, don't forget that the maniacle kings and such were reponsible, not jesus..


bleh. :rolleyes:

The phrase kill them all and let God sort them out originated from the pope during the Spanish Inquisition...

so maniacs are everywhere

keeponrockin

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

I'm no big fan of christianity, but that Jesus was pretty cool...

My vote for best post of the thread.

bluejourneyman

People’s ignorance (i.e., killing others in the name of God, force feeding others a belief system) proves that the true biblical religion is true.
The religion of the bible shows mans holiness and wretchedness.
The bible is the only religious book that shows both good and bad in man.

decides2dream

bluejourneyman wrote:

People’s ignorance (i.e., killing others in the name of God, force feeding others a belief system) proves that the true biblical religion is true.
The religion of the bible shows mans holiness and wretchedness.
The bible is the only religious book that shows both good and bad in man.

have you actually read the qur'an or any other book to base this assumption on? i haven't read ANY cover to cover, so i am not saying i have any answers in this regard, i am merely posing a Q. however, it is my understanding that MANY, if not most, of the world's religions do in fact encompass both the good and the bad of humanity.

believe as you will, and respect others to make that same individual choice for themselves. that's my philosophy....and since we have no *proof* of any one belief being 'right' or 'wrong'...just seems the sensible way.....live and let live, believe - or not, as you sit fit. if you believe YOUR faith is the 'right' one and all else are wrong...well good on you, many others i am sure think the same of THEIR faith...and it's all good...until people FORCE their views on others.

rightondude

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bluejourneyman

I cannot say with 100% assuredness, but I have read Pascal’s Pensee, and listened to various speakers on the subject. If I’m wrong “cool” let me know that’s why I like this forum:)

rightondude

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dkst0426

Maybe it's just me, but I think it's a bit odd that a topic about pitying "godless" people gets shut down, but this one is allowed to go on. I know there are reasons. It just strikes me as odd.

decides2dream

dkst0426 wrote:

Maybe it's just me, but I think it's a bit odd that a topic about pitying "godless" people gets shut down, but this one is allowed to go on. I know there are reasons. It just strikes me as odd.

i do not believe it is the actual topic, but the manner of posting that does, or does not, get a thread locked. honestly, i think we as a group could talk about just ANY topic here, within reason, and it would be allowed to continue endlessly, as long as all expressed their views in a respectful manner. it really is that simple. that's ALL it's about. s

haring ideas without resorting to the insults, the petty name-calling, etc...that seems rampant as of late. it's a shame. so yes, i think that other thread managed to degrade to that level...thus, locked. so really not so 'odd' at all. first 3 or 4 guidelines of posting here...all about respect. so yes, i think it's taken very seriously.

god or godless...i think we all could manage to be a lot more tolerant of opposing/different views...and i certainly don't just mean in this little corner of cyberspace. sadly, we just seem a very small reflection of all of *that* occuring out in the world.