of course, you know that you all share the same ride so. lol....do you know what i mean?
no i dont.
i was traveling. and so were they. i didnt know them. the long distance taxi-car was the sort where they take some 6 people (from A to , who may or may not know each other, for a fixed price.
oh and i am indian.
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you know what is it me or.....well especially during the opening of the world wide sucide video.....does it sound like a "sunk".....(the sea shell that's blown to initiate and end aarti/puja)....even till the crescendo.....it sounds really cool.
its pronounced "shunkh" and literally means "conch".
I don't agree with the original quote. It's just a way for people to justify their shortcomings without taking responsibility or changing their actions. There is no way the number is at 95%.
Because we all know you study psychology, know1.
I think you might want to look into the concept called : denial.
Of course we are justifying shortcomings. It's what explanation is about. Because we can explain the why's does doesn't mean we are excused from accountability for our shortcomings by any stretch of the imagination! I see it as quite the contrary: By understanding problems, we are empowered to solve them. With blame, blindness and lack of understanding, we keep ourselves/others bound up in the denial and shame that keeps us/them from facing the problem to begin with. Shame is the root of our mass problem with dysfunction at this time. People will do anything to avoid the deep source of shame within and therefore they perpetuate the patterns. Therefore, we keep being so messed up. Lighten up on the blame unless you want to be part of the problem. At the same time, I believe in fully holding people to account for what they do.
Actually, Psychology is one of my favorite subjects.
I maintain that you're are placing too much relevance on searching for external sources to answer why someone is messed up. You give that far too much credibility. Ultimately, I believe people are more responsible for their own actions than "society" or their parents are.
You said you disagree with the original quote. I'm assuming you mean this : "95% of us in the western world are considered psychologically messed up. We were all born into families with challenges and problems."
Do you disagree that most families have problems and challenges? I don't think there would be much need for the study of psychology if most families or people did not have problems and challenges. Is the psychology you like about those who don't have problems?
The problem is most of us are caught up in all the crazy symptoms of "more", "excess" etc. and accepting that pale imitation of happiness as our lot in life. We're accepting chasing our tails rather than seeking to outlet our true dreams and desires. Sadly, many of us believe it's impossible to make our dreams come true. If we have no desire to find health, and if we don't believe there is more out there, we will not seek it.
The fact that we feel happy and joyous when things are going well for us is an evolutionary carrot that directs us to our happiness and our dreams. However, we've been told to ignore our imaginations and our emotions and to be "reasonable"--we're not to follow silly dreams. We decided to believe such a crippled idea and we're paying for it despite the urgings of nature all around us.
I agree, the solution is for each of us to analyse our personal attitude and our own role. That's the only reality we have any control over, and that's okay, because it's by far the most important to us in our own world. We can literally change our own world, which triggers change all around us.
Here is the key: Each of our dysfunctions--our tv addiction, addiction to nicotine, caffeine, alcohol, drugs, our shopaholism, our workaholism, our religion-overload, our mental illnesses, our eating disorders, our abusive ways, etc, etc, etc.... Our each personal issues hold the key for each one of us to begin unlocking the negative patterns. We have to want to do it, though. When we want to become unaddicted, or stop the workaholism or the shopaholism or the tv addiction, the programs--the information is out there. By taking these paths we DO learn the skills we are lacking and it does turn around.
We humans are waking up and recognising our own individual power. We are becomomg aware of exactly what we contribute. We are also realising the need to contribute to life with awareness and by being constructive. The usual "programs" that we've been programmed with are deconstructing and falling away. Because we are letting go of what does not work, we will learn to be present in our lives in each moment and to create at one with ourselves. We are learning to let go of letting the past dictate where we are going, for we are realising we continue to recreate the past by limiting ourselves to ideas of what has come before. We are learning to create NOW. We are learning that we can change anything in the now, rather than be stuck due to past choices. We are becoming activated instead of being numbed up.
I don't know what Angelica was referring to, but in general I think that people in the western world is messed up from several factors: a stressful lifestyle imposed by the consumption/production system; loss of cultural values and roots; loss of touch with nature; imposed models by media, tv and various entertainment forms that prevent people to understand and practise their natural inclinations and creative forms of relationship with the surrounding reality; a life style preventing more social participation; wild individualism (or "the unique thinking" creating a general mindset concerned basically on the value of "personal success").
That said, I don't think that in the past people were less messed up. I think they were in other ways and for different reasons. I basically think that the human mind is "naturally" messed up.
The question I have is why are we so disguested with all this? What is it inside of us that despises what Western Civ has become?
meanwhile the question i have is how come japan (and to some extent south korea and taiwan), which is no less affluent, developed, industrialised than most if not all western nations, can retain its values, can rever their parents and ancestors, can preserve marriages, has lesser children born out of wedlock, has fewer teen agers taking to drugs, fewer rape cases, more values, religious tolerance etc etc.
That 95% stat is a complete crock of bull, by the way. The actual stat is somewhere between 20 and 30 percent meeting criteria for some form of mental disorder, and that rate is NOT higher than the rate seen in most non-Western countries.
befoe that, let us get one thing cleared up first -
question - what is so despicable about what "western civ" has become??
after we have that answer, we could try and find out why some people find it so despicable.
if 95% of anyone had anything that 'common'...how is it then messed up?...i'd then think it's the norm, personally.
EVERYone has problems and challenges..it's simply called living. sure, there are SOME more greatly challenged than others, and i have no idea how large/small a # that may be.....but i would think it is no where near 95%...b/c again, then that would just be considered 'normal'...whatever that is.
i think we al have our issues, but i think that's life...you learn, you deal...you do the best you can. some require more help along the way and i hope all get what they need......but i don't see any need to go and label everything and everyone in such a manner....some of it is simply LIFE.
and yea...i've had more than my fair share of psych/sociology courses and love it too.....but one needs to take responsibility for who they are.
i take no issue with the whole idea of 'self-actualization' etc......but sure, many just simply don't give a shit. haha. seriously, even if 95% are not 'self-actualized'... does that really mean their lives are unhappy, discontent? so yea.....i think we can throw around all the labels we like, and who knoiws...maybe it's all true...but in the scheme of things, i really don't think such matters all that much......happiness can be achieved for most w/o 'self-actualization'...or whatever.
....we are chasing the "american dream"
In those countries they are probably ....more satisfied with having what they need!
i think i agree... i never heard of a japanese dream yet.
I did address this fact in my last post. It is the norm, it's just not operating in a healthy balanced way. Normal and healthy are two very different things. At this point in our evolution, it's normal to be imbalanced.
Again, yep, it's totally normal to be imbalanced. And yet, it's still imbalanced. I don't come up with the 95% figure--it's psychological study that makes such distinctions--I just share what I've learned.
The psychology profession names and defines the varying ways we develop and experience disorder, so that we can define our problems. Once we figure out what the problem is, and accept that, it's the first step to solving it. "Beginning is half done".
With proper understanding of what we are dealing with, we are empowered to seek the correct path in solving our problems. It's great if we don't want to solve our problems, and yet, it's important to remember the solutions are out there if we seek them.
I agree 100%.
Life is colourful and diverse, and I think all aspects of the human condition have a certain beauty--the good/bad or indifferent. Imo, the key is that it's up to the individual--when one feels pain and discomfort and wants to find solutions to their problems, great, the help and support is there. If they do not, people are beautiful and special at every stage of the game.
sure, i get all that. point is, what exactly is healthy'...if say 95% of the population is fuctioning, seemingly normal/happy/healthy? that's all i am saying. sure, we can all strive to do better, and perhaps we don't have the best role models and/or best coping strategies...i just think sometimes we get too caught up in the labels, and should simply try and BE. even within dysfunction...and there seems to be varying degrees if dysfunction everywhere...we can strive for our happiness and not get so hung up on analyzing it all.....that's all. i am all for self-discovery, but i am also all for the art of living, enjoying the here and now...and not continually worrying/sriving for this unattainable 'perfection of self.'