Gay brothers may hold genetic clues for roots of homosexuality

SuzannePjam

If it's proven that there really is a "gay gene" and an evangelical pro-lifer who was intolerant of homosexuality was expecting a child that had this gene, do you think they would get an abortion or have the gay child?

Gay brothers may hold genetic clues
Study seeks scientific explanation for roots of homosexuality


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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21309724/

Excerpt: Dr. Alan Sanders of Evanston Northwestern Healthcare Research Institute, the lead researcher of the new study, said he suspects there isn’t one so-called “gay gene.”
It is more likely there are several genes that interact with nongenetic factors, including psychological and social influences, to determine sexual orientation, said Sanders, a psychiatrist.
Still, he said, “If there’s one gene that makes a sizable contribution, we have a pretty good chance” of finding it.
Many gays fear that if gay genes are identified, it could result in discrimination, prenatal testing and even abortions to eliminate homosexuals, said Joel Ginsberg of the Gay and Lesbian Medical Association.

Abuskedti

There is no gay gene..

choosing how you like your sex for pleasure is like choosing what kind of movie you like

MahoganySouls

I just was reading this today. I too believe from the science already known, that there is a genetic factor to homosexuality. Studies are very conclusive as to specifics in brain function and development in homosexuals. Much of the research is not released publicly yet. But it is coming. So be ready.

surferdude

SuzannePjam wrote:

If it's proven that there really is a "gay gene" and an evangelical pro-lifer who was intolerant of homosexuality was expecting a child that had this gene, do you think they would get an abortion or have the gay child?

I think the more interesting question is would this be wrong? I was under the assumption that abortion was a private choice and as such there was to be judgement caste on those choosing abortion. Or are we going to start deciding on valid and invalid reasons for abortion?

MahoganySouls

surferdude wrote:

I think the more interesting question is would this be wrong? I was under the assumption that abortion was a private choice and as such there was to be judgement caste on those choosing abortion. Or are we going to start deciding on valid and invalid reasons for abortion?

Why should this be any different from the rest of the hypocritcal issues in the churches?

jlew24asu

MahoganySouls wrote:

I just was reading this today. I too believe from the science already known, that there is a genetic factor to homosexuality. Studies are very conclusive as to specifics in brain function and development in homosexuals. Much of the research is not released publicly yet. But it is coming. So be ready.

dude you crack me up. this is the second post of yours today but had me laughing.

jlew24asu

Abuskedti wrote:

There is no gay gene..

choosing how you like your sex for pleasure is like choosing what kind of movie you like

how do you know? I have heard a few gay dudes say they are born that way.

soulsinging

SuzannePjam wrote:

If it's proven that there really is a "gay gene" and an evangelical pro-lifer who was intolerant of homosexuality was expecting a child that had this gene, do you think they would get an abortion or have the gay child?

publicly, they will stick to pro-life. but just like they do now, they will still have that under the table abortion. or they will deny the science, birth the kid, and make his life a living hell and inflict massive amounts of psychological damage and abuse in an effort to keep it straight.

prism

jlew24asu wrote:

how do you know? I have heard a few gay dudes say they are born that way.

yep. I had a friend that when i asked him why he was gay he told me that he was born that way. so he asked me if I was born straight? I said
"well yes...cause I do like dick."
he then replied with "except for the bit about being straight or gay you know exactly how I feel!"

to me it doesn't even matter if being gay is genetic or not, if someone is gay then nothing will change that fact so why not just accept them for the person that they are.

jeffbr

prism wrote:

to me it doesn't even matter if being gay is genetic or not, if someone is gay then nothing will change that fact so why not just accept them for the person that they are.

Perfectly said. That is what it comes down to. Why do people even care about this argument (except for the interest in science)? Whether one is born gay, or chooses to be that way, it should not matter in the slightest. Live and let live.

LikeAnOcean

Abuskedti wrote:

There is no gay gene..

choosing how you like your sex for pleasure is like choosing what kind of movie you like

I don't think sexual preference is something you just choose. I never choose to get my first boner to Carrie Fisher when she wore that bikini in Return of the Jedi. It just happened when my hormones hit. It was part of my programmed nature.

If you think sexual preference is as easy as a decision, then deep down you are probably a bi-sexual and just don't realize it.

Anon

LikeAnOcean wrote:

I don't think sexual preference is something you just choose. I never choose to get my first boner to Carrie Fisher when she wore that bikini in Return of the Jedi. It just happened when my hormones hit. It was part of my programmed nature.

hehe i much preferred han

i agree it's not something you just choose. i also agree with prism 'Whether one is born gay, or chooses to be that way, it should not matter in the slightest. Live and let live..'

glasshouse

to this day it's hard for me to believe that people are "born" gay. It’s opposing one of the fundamental laws of nature.
personally i think 90% of those people who are genuinely gay were "brought" up to be that way ~ without realizing it. Molested as a kid, a weak father figure, the list goes on – that line of experiences..

Abuskedti

LikeAnOcean wrote:

I don't think sexual preference is something you just choose. I never choose to get my first boner to Carrie Fisher when she wore that bikini in Return of the Jedi. It just happened when my hormones hit. It was part of my programmed nature.

If you think sexual preference is as easy as a decision, then deep down you are probably a bi-sexual and just don't realize it.

Is there a Pearl Jam fan gene?

prism

glasshouse wrote:

to this day it's hard for me to believe that people are "born" gay. It’s opposing one of the fundamental laws of nature.
personally i think 90% of those people who are genuinely gay were "brought" up to be that way ~ without realizing it. Molested as a kid, a weak father figure, the list goes on – that line of experiences..

how would you explain that in nature homosexuality occurs in nearly all species of animals?

would you say that a gay penguin or lesbian seagull (just for examples) had weak fathers or were molested as kids?




your theory just doesn't add up. I was molested by males as a kid and I didn't become a lesbian. I know males that as a kid were molested by a male and they didn't become gay. I can't say that I know of anyone that was molested by a female(s). I know plenty of people that didn't have any father figure to speak of (my kids included) and they're straight. I know gay people that weren't molested (or at least never said so) and that were brought up in perfectly "normal" households with a loving Mommy and Daddy that were there for them. so one really has to wonder where this theory of yours comes from?

810wmb

LikeAnOcean wrote:

I don't think sexual preference is something you just choose. I never choose to get my first boner to Carrie Fisher when she wore that bikini in Return of the Jedi. It just happened when my hormones hit.

i still get a boner when i see that!

elmer

MahoganySouls wrote:

Studies are very conclusive as to specifics in brain function and development in homosexuals. Much of the research is not released publicly yet. But it is coming. So be ready.

will it be a bombshell do you think?
surely any developments will only be used negatively, as for parents being given the choice to interfere with the genetics of future children......

elmer

Abuskedti wrote:

Is there a Pearl Jam fan gene?

in underground scientific research facilitys this gene you make reference to is recognised as a mutation, pernicious to society. Has anybody noticed the vanishings?

Anon

Researchers may never locate a 'gay gene.' But according to The Boston Globe's Neil Swidey, the scientists hunting for the roots of homosexuality seem to be closing in on an answer.

http://www.phenomenologycenter.org/course/gaygene.htm

glasshouse

prism wrote:

so one really has to wonder where this theory of yours comes from?

iv'e read somewhere that 8/10 people who get molested (by the same sex) during infancy/childhood do have homosexual tendancies during adulthood. i did not say this theory explains homosexuality as a rule, i just think it is a contributing factor. i know 3 people who were molersted as children and all 3 of them are gay today.

prism

glasshouse wrote:

iv'e read somewhere that 8/10 people who get molested (by the same sex) during infancy/childhood do have homosexual tendancies during adulthood. i did not say this theory explains homosexuality as a rule, i just think it is a contributing factor. i know 3 people who were molersted as children and all 3 of them are gay today.

since such a tiny percentage of child molesters are women how do you then explain what contributes to females becoming lesbian?

again not that it matters what does or doesn't "make" a person gay or lesbian or straight, they just "are". i don't think that nurture and a child's environment has nearly as much of an impact on someone's sexual orientation as does nature and that people really are "born that way"

glasshouse

prism wrote:

since such a tiny percentage of child molesters are women how do you then explain what contributes to females becoming lesbian?

again not that it matters what does or doesn't "make" a person gay or lesbian or straight, they just "are". i don't think that nurture and a child's environment has nearly as much of an impact on someone's sexual orientation as does nature and that people really are "born that way"

fair enough - i don't hold the answer, just an opinion.

know1

I do not believe in a single cause for homosexuality (or anything for that matter).

There might be a genetic predisposition and for some people it could be purely choice. For most, it probably falls into some combination thereof.

810wmb

prism wrote:

since such a tiny percentage of child molesters are women how do you then explain what contributes to females becoming lesbian?

umm, because women taste good?

i would be a lesbian, if i was a woman

soulsinging

glasshouse wrote:

iv'e read somewhere that 8/10 people who get molested (by the same sex) during infancy/childhood do have homosexual tendancies during adulthood. i did not say this theory explains homosexuality as a rule, i just think it is a contributing factor. i know 3 people who were molersted as children and all 3 of them are gay today.

that says nothing. all it says is that being molested as a kid fucks up your sexual identity. talk about a "no shit" conclusion. i'm willing to bet they also have bisexual, hetereosexual and all kinds of other sexual "tendencies" during adulthood. hell, what IS a homosexual tendency? if you want to support your theory, you've got to find gay people and see what percentage of them were molested as kids. if you're right, it will be pretty damn high, way higher than the normal rates.

qwerty1

You are born gay, it is not a choice. I know that for sure!

NoK

glasshouse wrote:

iv'e read somewhere that 8/10 people who get molested (by the same sex) during infancy/childhood do have homosexual tendancies during adulthood. i did not say this theory explains homosexuality as a rule, i just think it is a contributing factor. i know 3 people who were molersted as children and all 3 of them are gay today.

i think it only applies to paedophilia.. if you're a paedophile you've most likely been molested as a kid.. and if ur molested as a kid u have a higher risk of developing into one... those are the only things i've read about that topic

Collin

Abuskedti wrote:

Is there a Pearl Jam fan gene?

I don't know, but I'd love to lead the research!

NoK

i think if they find gay and non-gay identical twins then that would piss on the whole gay gene theory.. thats what they should be looking for..

i think the more likely outcome is that the changes of expression of specific genes between people might cause changes in sexual orientation but my opinion is that those changes are the outcome of social factors..

Collin

qwerty wrote:

You are born gay, it is not a choice. I know that for sure!

I don't see how you can know that for sure. I mean, if you're gay you can say, I've felt this urge and I never chose for it like straight people didn't choose to be straight. But that doesn't mean other factors couldn't have "made" you gay, you know. I never felt a gay urge but then again, who knows maybe if I were molested as a child or grew up in a different environment I might have been gay...

In that way it's interesting to know... but I doubt this will make any difference...

Your sig. is hilarious by the way

surferdude

elmer wrote:

surely any developments will only be used negatively, as for parents being given the choice to interfere with the genetics of future children......

But I thought every abortion was a good abortion? Who are you to judge some abortions as negative? Pro-choice means accepting all choices without judgement.

Is aborting a fetus because it may be gay baby any worse than aborting it because it is a baby period? or the mother is poor or feels unprepared?