Angry driver shoots egg-throwing teen

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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    inmytree wrote:
    I see both sides of this...

    yes, the kid should not have been shot, but that same kid should not be throwing eggs at cars...

    I wonder, if the egg thowing kid would have caused an accident leading to someone getting hurt or killed, who he be getting a pass...

    how can you see both sides? I dont see the side of the shooter at all.


    and IF the kid caused an accident he should be prosecuted for such a crime. not shot.
  • NMyTreeNMyTree Posts: 2,374
    I too egged cars and the guy driving the street-cleaner, several times.

    When I finally got caught I was punished for a month and had to do extra chores, as well as my usual chores. And my father dragged me off with him on the weekends to help him do his electrician jobs. I had to pull and run wire under floors, through and along the inside of walls and carry his heavy tool box around, all day. That sucked. Never egged anything after that.
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Songburst wrote:
    I love what I do at work, so I don't consider it working my life away. This is not about the damage to the material possessions that gets me mad about the stupid things that people do, it's the lack of respect. A 14 year old kid knows that he/she should not vandalize other peoples property. If you decide to vandalize, then you take the chance that you are going to do it to the wrong person and pay a heavy toll. If those kids weren't so stupid to decide that egging people would be fun, the one kid would still be alive today. I just hope that the other kids get prosecuted for their crime as well as the shooter. I'm just thinking back: if my dad ever found out that I egged someone's car when I was 14, I probably would have wished that I was shot trying to get away. Repect for other peoples property is huge where I come from.

    are you dissin me muthafucka? ill pop a cap in yo ass.

    yeah, i like that way of thinking. it's very mature and reasonable. we should go back to fertile cresent days... chop off the hands of shoplifters, etc. teach those fucking kids a lesson. we'll see if they can steal candy with one hand!
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    jlew24asu wrote:
    how can you see both sides? I dont see the side of the shooter at all.


    and IF the kid caused an accident he should be prosecuted for such a crime. not shot.

    because I can...

    people get pissed about stupid things....plain and simple...it happens and often times, with no good reason...again, I'm not saying it's ok...let me say it again, I'm not saying it's ok, but....

    if you play with fire, you are going to get burned...you fuck with the wrong person, you may get killed....

    if this kid did not throw an egg at this SUV, we would not be having this discussion, would we...?
  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    inmytree wrote:
    because I can...

    people get pissed about stupid things....plain and simple...it happens and often times, with no good reason...again, I'm not saying it's ok...let me say it again, I'm not saying it's ok, but....

    if you play with fire, you are going to get burned...you fuck with the wrong person, you may get killed....

    if this kid did not throw an egg at this SUV, we would not be having this discussion, would we...?

    You can actually see the killer's side?

    You can see where he just decided that an egg on his car meant someone had to die?
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  • NMyTree wrote:
    Question:

    Is it known if it was an adult driving the car and shooting from the car?

    Have they found the shooter, yet?
    Prolly should start with this guy

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  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    Collin wrote:
    You can actually see the killer's side?

    You can see where he just decided that an egg on his car meant someone had to die?

    you know, perhaps I need to back peddle, flip flop, if I can...

    can I put myself in the killers shoes...heck, I don't know...but I do know, there have been times in my life where I was so angry, that I could not see straight, and over stupid things...

    perhaps the driver's limbic system, the part of the brain that regulates emotions such as anger, was "hyjacked"...

    I know we've all been there, and if you say you haven't, good for you...

    so let me say this: it was not ok for the driver to shoot the kid...but anger can blind and lead to stupid choices...

    my point is, you never know what the consequences of your actions are until it's too late...did this kid find it amusing to throw eggs at people...well, ha ha ha...he's dead...
  • NMyTreeNMyTree Posts: 2,374
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    NMyTree wrote:
    Is that him?


    no. thats a former football player. not sure why it was posted
  • NMyTreeNMyTree Posts: 2,374
    jlew24asu wrote:
    no. thats a former football player. not sure why it was posted


    Oh, okay. Thanks. I didn't know who that was. I guess brink was attempting to be funny.
  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    inmytree wrote:
    so let me say this: it was not ok for the driver to shoot the kid...but anger can blind and lead to stupid choices...

    my point is, you never know what the consequences of your actions are until it's too late...did this kid find it amusing to throw eggs at people...well, ha ha ha...he's dead...

    That's why I think the US should have stricter gun laws.
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  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    Collin wrote:
    That's why I think the US should have stricter gun laws.


    I fully agree....
  • jeffbrjeffbr Posts: 7,177
    Collin wrote:
    That's why I think the US should have stricter gun laws.

    Which specific gun new gun laws should be passed to ensure that this wouldn't have happened?
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  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    jeffbr wrote:
    Which specific gun new gun laws should be passed to ensure that this wouldn't have happened?

    I don't think any laws will fully ensure that these kind of things don't happen again.
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  • Pacomc79Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    Collin wrote:
    That's why I think the US should have stricter gun laws.


    Again, I don't see how laws would have prevented from one idiot from killing a kid who was fleeing after vandalizing the persons SUV.

    Why not enact a law against egging? Oh wait, we have one on vandalism... and we have one against murder, and discharging a fire arm in city limits....shooting other people... etc. etc.

    Take the gun away and say the SUV driver speeds after these kids, they wreck trying to get away and the same kid dies. Who's at fault? The driver of the chasing SUV? Or the driver of the egging SUV? That happened here in Georgia, and the family of the vandalist who died, sued the chase vehicle's driver. Although I don't see how they were any more at fault than the driver of the vehicle who was speeding away. Either way thier kid is dead, because of a stupid prank. Hopefully, this will prevent other kids from doing that kind of stuff.

    Any sane person would tell you the moron with the gun acted in a heinous manner and his or her actions were ridiculously over kill. Enacting another gun law or taking guns away entirely which is really the goal of that whole movement lets be fair, does nothing to stop the root problem.

    Switch the argument from guns to say drugs. Where has prohibition ever stopped anything?
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    jlew24asu wrote:
    no. thats a former football player. not sure why it was posted

    cos it's funny. speaking as a big osu football alum, that guys was thug.
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    jeffbr wrote:
    Which specific gun new gun laws should be passed to ensure that this wouldn't have happened?

    How about making it illegal to carry/possess guns? Wouldn't stop criminals, etc., I know that but would sure stop Mr. Redneck with a temper! Wishful thinking would be that with it being illegal to possess guns, hunting would be banned. That would also make me happy :)
  • Pacomc79Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    redrock wrote:
    How about making it illegal to carry/possess guns? Wouldn't stop criminals, etc., I know that but would sure stop Mr. Redneck with a temper! Wishful thinking would be that with it being illegal to possess guns, hunting would be banned. That would also make me happy :)


    yeah because prohibition of alcohol prevented mr redneck from making moonshine too right?

    Banning guns, like banning drugs just makes a different percentage of the population into criminals.

    It does nothing to keep members of the population from killing each other or from killing animals.
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  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    yeah because prohibition of alcohol prevented mr redneck from making moonshine too right?

    Banning guns, like banning drugs just makes a different percentage of the population into criminals.

    It does nothing to keep members of the population from killing each other or from killing animals.

    What I said.. wouldn't stop criminals (or the criminally minded) but it would stop 'law abiding citizens' (even Mr. Redneck and the likes who are law abiding citizens) having them. And it would make a difference to gun deaths (animal or human). Just look at all deaths caused by firearms that were in 'decent' people's hands before they went beserk. I would think that if these people didn't have a gun readily available, on the spur of the moment, they wouldn't be bothered trying to get one illegally (takes time, connections, money, etc) and crimes could be avoided.
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    actually no. my buddy and i prefered sneaking into churches and messing with their microphones, eating cake out of the fridge in the basement, or stealing church wine.
    Hey! We "snuck" into our church, too! My big thrill was checking out what that unleavened bread tasted like! My friend and I each had a sip of wine, but we were young enough that the thrill of the covert break-in was more of our priority.

    We got caught trying to sneak into the school, once, too. (I realize I reveal my delinquint nature more and more as I speak). My best friend and I would play "Charlie's Angels"--I was Kelly, she was Jill. Anyway, after seeing an episode where they put tape over the door thing that should connect when the door closes, and automatically locks, we tried it ourselves at the school. It was a weekend, we had been there using the outdoor icerink, and we got the librarian to let us in. We did the old "tape on the door trick" after using the bathroom. We intended to sneak back in when she left. Unfortunately, she probably checked to make sure the door locked, figured us out and our plans were foiled. She gave us a serious lecture, and we felt bad realizing she could have gotten in big trouble. Darn kids. Troublemakers.
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  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    NMyTree wrote:
    Interesting thing is, we don't know as of yet if the gun used was a legal gun. Also, the fact the SUV was abandoned makes me suspect the SUV may have been stolen.

    An abandoned SUV doesn't necessarily mean I'm correct about it possibily being stolen, but it seems to indicate that. Or maybe the driver does own the SUV and they abandoned the SUV, figuring they'd report it stolen, after the fact. Which of course is a ridiculous notion and will do them no good, whatsoever.

    I'm betting the gun was illegal and the SUV was stolen.

    I'm confused. If the SUV was stolen then why would you get so angry at it being egged? And what difference does the gun being illegal make? The kid is still dead. If you had gone out with your illegal gun to steal an SUV why would you draw attention to yourself by shooting a passer by for a prank?
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  • NMyTreeNMyTree Posts: 2,374
    Jeanie wrote:
    I'm confused. If the SUV was stolen then why would you get so angry at it being egged?

    First of all, we're not talking about rational people, here. You're trying to apply rational notions to people who are not at all rational.

    But to entertain your questions, if they had a buyer for the SUV, they could have been pissed off at the the possibility the eggs splatters would lower their return value, on the stolen SUV.

    Just one possibility.
    Jeanie wrote:
    And what difference does the gun being illegal make? The kid is still dead.

    The only difference it makes is in the discussions regarding the legal access gun laws and the laws regarding legal rights to carry a weapon on one's person. Ultimately, it makes no difference because a young boy lost his life and that is the most important aspect, here.

    Jeanie wrote:
    If you had gone out with your illegal gun to steal an SUV why would you draw attention to yourself by shooting a passer by for a prank?

    Hell, thugs with illegal guns shoot people and each other every day, over less than an egg pelting. Idiots shoot people just because "they looked at me bad" or because they want to steal a jacket.

    Again, these are not rational people. But I was speculating when I presented those comments.

    Why would a theif robbing a store carry his wallet and ID to a robbery and then drop his wallet and ID in the store, that he just robbed?

    Why would anyone do the stupid and mindless things people do everyday?
  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    NMyTree wrote:
    First of all, we're not talking about rational people, here. You're trying to apply rational notions to people who are not at all rational.

    But to entertain your questions, if they had a buyer for the SUV, they could have been pissed off at the the possibility the eggs splatters would lower their return value, on the stolen SUV.

    Just one possibility.



    The only difference it makes is in the discussions regarding the legal access gun laws and the laws regarding legal rights to carry a weapon on one's person. Ultimately, it makes no difference because a young boy lost his life and that is the most important aspect, here.




    Hell, thugs with illegal guns shoot people and each other every day, over less than an egg pelting. Idiots shoot people just because "they looked at me bad" or because they want to steal a jacket.

    Again, these are not rational people. But I was speculating when I presented those comments.

    Why would a theif robbing a store carry his wallet and ID to a robbery and then drop his wallet and ID in the store, that he just robbed?

    Why would anyone do the stupid and mindless things people do everyday?

    That makes sense about having a buyer for the SUV. I think your other theory about it being abandoned because the driver wanted to be able to say it had been stolen makes better sense. And I agree that the whole thing is illogical and that the most important aspect is that a young kid lost his life. I guess I find the whole issue of whether the gun was illegal vs legal very confusing because I don't understand the whole gun culture in the US. For all the laws it seems that a large percentage of the population thinks it has a right to bear arms, yes I know it is part of your constitution but people actually WANT to own them and use them. I guess I don't understand that because that is not really a part of our culture here. I'm not criticizing I just find the whole gun culture mystifying.
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  • redrock wrote:
    What I said.. wouldn't stop criminals (or the criminally minded) but it would stop 'law abiding citizens' (even Mr. Redneck and the likes who are law abiding citizens) having them. And it would make a difference to gun deaths (animal or human). Just look at all deaths caused by firearms that were in 'decent' people's hands before they went beserk. I would think that if these people didn't have a gun readily available, on the spur of the moment, they wouldn't be bothered trying to get one illegally (takes time, connections, money, etc) and crimes could be avoided.


    Yes, you would solve SOME of the murders that result from "decent" people going berserk.

    And you would replace them deaths from home invasions, muggings, and robberies.
  • Why do so many Americans feel the need to own a handgun anyway? Who are they afraid of? I just don't understand the mentality.

    I grew up on a farm. I'm familiar with rifles and shotguns. Firearms like those have a purpose, which generally has nothing whatsoever to do with causing harm to another human. But handguns are designed to kill people. That's what they're made for. That's all they're made for. Why does anyone who isn't a police officer or soldier need to own one? I just don't get it.
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  • SongburstSongburst Posts: 1,195
    angelica wrote:
    I find this to be a disturbing comment. This sentence glosses over that the shooter is accountable for a dead-adolescent. And it then almost or does imply it's the kids fault someone was killed.

    My comments have nothing to do with the shooter. Obviously what he/she did is reprehensible and just a touch over the limit as far as retribution for an egging goes. What I am arguing is that the kids were old enough to know better and they were old enough to realize that if they got caught throwing an egg at the wrong person, and unfortunately for them there were severe consequences this time. They probably didn't think that they would get shot at, but they definately knew that they would get a beating if they were caught. If I know eggings (and my house and truck have been egged a few times) the kids threw the eggs and ran away. Why would they run away if they didn't understand that what they were doing is wrong?
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  • SongburstSongburst Posts: 1,195
    Of course, you are supposed to respect other's property but no one in their wildest dreams would have expected to be shot at because of it and nor should they. The kids should have been punished by his parents.

    And good lord, are you serious about prosecuting a kid for throwing an egg? Like our justice system doesn't have anything better to do. Geez.

    Damn right they should be prosecuted. The little fuckers should definately have to pick garbage up off the highway for a few weekends.

    I also know that you can't expect to be shot at for throwing an egg, but what should you expect then? People have been killed for dumber things than this. My point is that they knew it was wrong and they knew that there were potential consequences.
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  • Songburst wrote:
    My comments have nothing to do with the shooter. Obviously what he/she did is reprehensible and just a touch over the limit as far as retribution for an egging goes. What I am arguing is that the kids were old enough to know better and they were old enough to realize that if they got caught throwing an egg at the wrong person, and unfortunately for them there were severe consequences this time. They probably didn't think that they would get shot at, but they definately knew that they would get a beating if they were caught. If I know eggings (and my house and truck have been egged a few times) the kids threw the eggs and ran away. Why would they run away if they didn't understand that what they were doing is wrong?


    It just seems crazy to me to emphasize the child's bad behavior of damaging property and not stress as much on the adult's wrong doing of killing a child out of anger due to damage of a material item. Clearly the bigger wrong was to gun down the child.
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  • Songburst wrote:
    Damn right they should be prosecuted. The little fuckers should definately have to pick garbage up off the highway for a few weekends.

    I also know that you can't expect to be shot at for throwing an egg, but what should you expect then? People have been killed for dumber things than this. My point is that they knew it was wrong and they knew that there were potential consequences.

    There parents should punish them and community service wouldn't hurt. I bet the cops wouldn't spend a lot of time taking this too seriuosly though. Being killed is not an acceptable consequence for egg throwing.
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  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    Songburst wrote:
    My comments have nothing to do with the shooter. Obviously what he/she did is reprehensible and just a touch over the limit as far as retribution for an egging goes. What I am arguing is that the kids were old enough to know better and they were old enough to realize that if they got caught throwing an egg at the wrong person, and unfortunately for them there were severe consequences this time. They probably didn't think that they would get shot at, but they definately knew that they would get a beating if they were caught. If I know eggings (and my house and truck have been egged a few times) the kids threw the eggs and ran away. Why would they run away if they didn't understand that what they were doing is wrong?

    I really don't think you're the kind of guy who would go out and shoot kids for egging your truck. I get nervous, though, when it in any way looks like the children (adolescents) were being blamed for the shooting. Being accountable for egging a truck as a teen is much different than being accountable for shooting a human when one is an adult. As I say, I have done "eggings" twice. I was about 15/16 for both times, and it was a stupid prank, and I knew it was "wrong" but I had no idea of the regular consequences. As a matter of fact, when we were egging cars out the window, one got hit, and began to stop (on a country highway; our house was right beside the road). We suddenly got terrified and realized these were real people and that we might get caught and get in big trouble. We stopped. (the car slowed, then took off again) The second time was on devil's night and we were in hallowe'en costumes. We were dumb, non-insightful kids. I cringe now to think of the true consequences and how horrible we were. Or how blind we were to our own actions. I think about, though, that even as us adults, some of us know smoking will probably kill us, but we're shocked when we get lung cancer. Or, well, I was indignant when I realized smoking ACTUALLY complicated an ear infection issue I had and led me to have to get surgery. I was so indignant, to realize there were real consequences after smoking two packs a day for 21 years that I quit. Sometimes we just don't get the consequences. Even as adults.

    I can certainly see if you've been victimized why you would have very strong feelings about it. If it's any consolation, I was asking my 17 year old son if he knows kids who would do such a thing. I told him my own stories and he was appalled with me! Then I asked my boyfriend--same thing! I'm owning my shame. :)
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