why won't god heal amputees?

Commy

MrSmith wrote:

that was coldhearted yet hilarious. good work.

And clever, and fitting to the subject at hand...

69charger

mxaaron wrote:

Is there some sort of quota God must meet between prayer requests and prayer fulfillment?

One would be nice...

Furthermore, what is a "truely answered prayer"? One answered exactly as the prayer stipulates? Such as "Dear Lord, I want Pearl Jam to do a central Kentucky mini tour, starting this weekend in Louisville, then to Lexington (the Dame, not Rupp Arena...), then ending in my backyard for a three night stay in which they play all of the songs I have yet to hear live, such as Oceans, Of the Girl, Black Red Yellow, and even Tremor Christ. Oh, and Lord, could you make my 10C number lower so I can have a better seat when they come to play at my house?" Now, would a truely answered prayer be one that fulfills all of my requests, even the gift of changing my kinda crappy 10c number? And in the case of the amputee, is a truely answered prayer one in which limbs grow back? Just trying to find my way through the ambiguity...

So if you go to McDonald's and ask for a cheesburger value meal and receive a new Craftsman 20oz ripclaw hammer instead you should consider your order fulfilled?

I'd still be hungry and wanting my f'ing cheeseburger!

I would keep the hammer, however

know1

Pretty simple-minded question, IMO. After all, everyone dies in the end so nobody is healed ultimately....at least in earthly, human terms and logic.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Why should god get credit for curing diseases he created in the first place?

angelica

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Why should god get credit for curing diseases he created in the first place?

I think God creates the potential for illness and the potential for healing. It is us who create illness by our patterns; accidents; or healing for ourselves. Some issues are irreversible.



*runs and hides while preparing for the onslaught and to have my posts mysteriously go missing*

catefrances

angelica wrote:

I think God creates the potential for illness and the potential for healing. It is us who create illness by our patterns; accidents; or healing for ourselves. Some issues are irreversible.



*runs and hides while preparing for the onslaught and to have my posts mysteriously go missing*

well god also provided for the potential for misinterpreting his entire existence
to such a point where millions of people deny he even exists.
but of course thats the fault of man for not understanding i suppose,
afterall how could we mere mortals possibly comprehend His majesty. :rolleyes:

angelica

catefrances wrote:

well god also provided for the potential for misinterpreting his entire existence
to such a point where millions of people deny he even exists.
but of course thats the fault of man for not understanding i suppose,
afterall how could we mere mortals possibly comprehend His majesty. :rolleyes:

In my mind there is no discussion here, for both you and I to pay lip service to a characterization neither of us believes in.

catefrances

angelica wrote:

In my mind there is no discussion here, for both you and I to pay lip service to a characterization neither of us believes in.

oh you disappoint me angelica. you speak of God creating the potential for illness and the potential for healing and yet when i bring up another of his potentialities you baulk.
i was not paying lip service to a 'characterisation i dont believe in', i was showing how ridiculous i thought what you said was. you rabbit on about how its our patterns that create illness in us and i find that such a crock of shit. by your rationale a child afflicted with cancer brought it upon themselves by their patterns? i cant begin to articulate how unfathomable that is.

angelica

catefrances wrote:

oh you disppoint me angelica. yuo speak of God creating the potential for illness and the potential for healing and yet when i broing up another of his potentialities you baulk.
i was not paying lip service to a 'characterisation i dont believe in', i was showing how ridiculous i thought what you said was. you rabbit on about how its our patterns that create illness to us and i find that such a crock of shit. by your rationale a child afflicted with cancer brought it upon themselves. i cant begin to articulate how unfathomable that is.

Kindly restate your assertion as a statement so I can understand it, and I'll be glad to respond.

angelica

catefrances: If a one year old toddles into a swimming pool and drowns, it doesn't "bring it upon themselves", it creates cause and effect. Plain and simple.

If you want to read in a moral judgment, that's fine. I am not doing so, however, so there is a big difference.

catefrances

angelica wrote:

Kindly restate your assertion as a statement so I can understand it, and I'll be glad to respond.

whats to restate angelica? i said what i said plainly and clearly. do you not understand me?
you bring up illness and healing as potentialities of God's doing. when i bring up the potentiality of dismissing his existence you decide thats too much?
in my mind if God can create the potential for illness then surely he must create the potential for people to deny his very existence? where's the lip service?

angelica

catefrances wrote:

whats to restate angelica? i said what i said plainly and clearly. do you not understand me?
you bring up illness and healing as potentialities of God's doing. when i bring up the potentiality of dismissing his existence you decide thats too much?
in my mind if God can create the potential for illness then surely he must create the potential for people to deny his very existence? where's the lip service?

I didn't hear a question or even sensical assertion in that post. Period.

if this is your point...go to town! I am totally okay with your view! (and all views!)

RolandTD20Kdrummer

angelica wrote:

I think God creates the potential for illness and the potential for healing. It is us who create illness by our patterns; accidents; or healing for ourselves. Some issues are irreversible.



*runs and hides while preparing for the onslaught and to have my posts mysteriously go missing*

I look at kids with cancer and I often wonder.

catefrances

angelica wrote:

catefrances: If a one year old toddles into a swimming pool and drowns, it doesn't "bring it upon themselves", it creates cause and effect. Plain and simple.

If you want to read in a moral judgment, that's fine. I am not doing so, however, so there is a big difference.

but thats what you said angelica. and i quote:

I think God creates the potential for illness and the potential for healing. It is us who create illness by our patterns; accidents; or healing for ourselves. Some issues are irreversible.


i was speaking illness angelica, not a child wandering off and drowning because its parent wasnt paying attention to it. i see the cause and effect there. bringing illness on itself as a child... that i don't see. and that was my contention.

catefrances

angelica wrote:

I didn't hear a question or even sensical assertion in that post. Period.

if this is your point...go to town! I am totally okay with your view! (and all views!)

there wasnt really a question in my original assertion, just an observation on my part. it just makes me wonder is all.

catefrances

and who the fuck is making moral judgements????

angelica

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I look at kids with cancer and I often wonder.

I don't anymore.

I've also read numerous books that point out scientific studies that connect emotional patterns with illness in our bodies...it is very easy for me to fathom what that energy can do to us, when unresolved, moving through us. Considering emotions are energy, and energy moves in our bodies...

Such theories are as valid as the "we know nothing" theories. And such theories, once understood, I see validated all around me. I study the Chakras, and illness in certain areas correlate to chakra patterns. I can see the emotional patterns people carry with them. As do other intuitive healers. Whether people are up in arms about it or not.

Give it 50 years... Louise L Hay started bringing this stuff to the mainstream probably 20 or 30 years ago. One book I read was by a doctor - a neuropsychiatrist, whom the medical profession failed when she was ill, so she turned to intuitive healing (from Louise L Hay's school of thought). It worked for her, and she was healed. So years later, as a respected medical professional and scientist, she is happy to pass on the numerous science studies who have been done by others like her who observe such patterns in the patients they see. They are carrying on this intuitive work, and validating is scientifically, being the integrated people they are who are able to balance spirituality and material life.

Another Doctor who writes of this is Canadian Gabor Mate, in his book "When the Body Says No".

catefrances

so what exactly is it youre saying angelica? that if a person with illness truly wants to be well, they can refocus themselves and heal? all they have to do is want it enough?

angelica

catefrances wrote:

and who the fuck is making moral judgements????

If I say a child fell in a pool and drowned, that is one thing. If I say a child fell in a pool, drowned, and brought it upon themselves, that is a very different thing.


If the toddler walks into the pool and dies, it is due to its actions and the effects. If a baby wails and swallows air, it develops the consequence of gas that it must live with. Once we enter this physical realm there are consequences to each tiniest cause we create. Even though we largely totally don't look at that. A baby is not given immunity from natural law. It's no more to blame for non-aware choice that causes them harm than their non-aware parent is. And yet, both must endure the consequences of non-aware (or unconscious) choice within natural law. No one has immunity.

At this point, people are totally unconscious of the patterns they create all the time. It's easy to shock people by pointing out behaviour they are unconscious of. People act out dramas. Children are in states of hypnotic suggestion perpetually and internalize the scripts we perpetuate. So, given people are for the most part unaware of their own energy, and the consequence of that...add in that they don't see how their own energy mixes with their child's energy, unsconciously....it's not surprising that people are oblivious to the causes and effects that they create.

For those who do consciously pay attention to and study these patterns, they emerge with conclusions. Ones that there is becoming a growing scientific body of evidence of! As I say, just wait and see how much it grows in 50 years. Or ignore it. It's your choice. The facts of cause and effect are what they are, independent of our awareness, or our opinions of it.

angelica

catefrances wrote:

so what exactly is it youre saying angelica? that if a person with illness truly wants to be well, they can refocus themselves and heal? all they have to do is want it enough?

People always want wellness. Or at least on the ego level, they believe they do.

What I am saying is that God doesn't strike us with illness. (remember, I responded to Roland stating so) I'm saying we create our patterns, mostly unconsciously, from morning to night. We have the will and choice to do what we want. We only must live with the consequences of so much as moving our little finger. No one escapes the consequences of their most minute unconscious cause.

I have great compassion for where humans are. And that we are so far away, in general, from understanding what we create in our separation from our power. We, therefore, must experience great pain.