why won't god heal amputees?

puremagic

sweet adeline wrote:

i've heard plenty people who've claimed that their cancer went away through the power of prayer. i've yet to hear the same from an amputee.

Key word "claim". People associate cancer with death, a slow death that eats away at your body with treatments that make you feel even worse for a time being. Drawing upon one's faith is not uncommon because thought of what is happening in their body is too great to deal with, so they have the "need" to believe that one day when they were actually feeling better God had answer they're prayer and heal their cancer. They stop their treatments, they stop their medication, they stop going in for checkup. In reality it is them coming to terms with the fact that they have cancer and have chosen a way to accept it. Some cancers go into remission, is it a miracle, and act of God's intervention, because a person prayed or was it because of their treatment or their body's natural defenses? It's whatever that person needs to believe to carry on with life.

I'm of that belief that faith is what one believes to carry them over to the next level of existence. If an amputee believes that they need a missing body part to be accepted, then I believe that the teaching of faith has slipped because faith is about your soul, your essence, not your body. The amputee who prays for new body part, prays in vain. The amputee who prays for the same thing we all pray for, the strength to carry on, will blend in as just another member of society. The only difference between an amputee and another person is that handicapped parking privilege. These are productive members of society, head of household, why make them seem less of a person because of lost limb.

We all have to make adjustments in our lives, and when we call upon God, its because we need the strength to look beyond whatever has us weighed down. We need that moment to make peace with ourselves before choosing a path to move forward on.

angelica

reborncareerist wrote:

Maybe God feels that there's nothing wrong with amputees? They're good people, just like the rest of us.

This is a very good answer. It's our human mind that puts special value on some traits and considers one lacking because they are not "normal" or "complete". That's about human pettiness...not so much about God.....

rebornFixer

angelica wrote:

This is a very good answer. It's our human mind that puts special value on some traits and considers one lacking because they are not "normal" or "complete". That's about human pettiness...not so much about God.....

You said it better than I did.

wwfairfield

cornnifer wrote:

i once accidentally cut off my right arm just below the elbow. i spread a little Carmex on it and it grew back. i swear.


Seriously, though, the web page states that "why won't God heal amputees?" is the "most important question we can ask about God". :rolleyes:

i may be at risk of oversharing, but, about 7 years ago i lost a nut Lance Armstrong, Tom Green style. As a Christian myself, i never once prayed for it to miraculously grow back. Nor did i mock God when it didn't. This video and web site seriously make no sense. With that i remove myself from this "religious" discussion. Have fun.

i was once mountain climbing alone and had to chew my nut off to save myself
it worked

thank you jesus

angelica

reborncareerist wrote:

You said it better than I did.

Thanks. Most of you realize I spent many years "wracked with mental illness", whereupon I fully bought into the stigma, and believed I was "genetically flawed" and would take medication for the rest of my life. I had every victim script going. For me it would have been a pure miracle were I to become cured. The base key of healing was in recognizing the whole concept was a flaw. It was when I realized I was always whole and complete, despite any disorder, that ironically the disorders dissipated. By then, it mattered little, because I learned to do "mental illness" so well. When I learned to be calm and to go with it while "doing" my hair for over 24 hours in one day, in the throes of obsessive compulsive disorder, I truly embraced my life, and myself. There is nothing more awesome than being at peace with life. It's our natural state before we outthink ourselves and apply our zany mis-logic removing ourselves from our state of harmony. We throw ourselves into a fall from grace over and over in each day. I had to learn that the brown discoloured blade of grass was no less worthy than the green thriving ones...regardless of what anyone else thought.

rebornFixer

angelica wrote:

Thanks. Most of you realize I spent many years "wracked with mental illness", whereupon I fully bought into the stigma, and believed I was "genetically flawed" and would take medication for the rest of my life. I had every victim script going. For me it would have been a pure miracle were I to become cured. The base key of healing was in recognizing the whole concept was a flaw. It was when I realized I was always whole and complete, despite any disorder, that ironically the disorders dissipated. By then, it mattered little, because I learned to do "mental illness" so well. When I learned to be calm and to go with it while "doing" my hair for over 24 hours in one day, in the throes of obsessive compulsive disorder, I truly embraced my life, and myself. There is nothing more awesome than being at peace with life. It's our natural state before we outthink ourselves and apply our zany mis-logic removing ourselves from our state of harmony. We throw ourselves into a fall from grace over and over in each day. I had to learn that the brown discoloured blade of grass was no less worthy than the green thriving ones...regardless of what anyone else thought.

Fantastic! Truly, I love reading this kind of stuff, as somebody who works in the mental illness field and advocates for non-pharmacological approaches ... Acceptance paves the way for meaningful change, in a paradoxical kinda way.

chopitdown

God always answers prayer. He just doesn't always answer them how we want them. And if you assume that God is all powerful and all knowing, He is answering it the best that it can be answered. The (reason for the) answer just escapes our limited minds.

wwfairfield

chopitdown wrote:

God always answers prayer. He just doesn't always answer them how we want them. And if you assume that God is all powerful and all knowing, He is answering it the best that it can be answered. The (reason for the) answer just escapes our limited minds.

so none of the answers have ever included the limb?
ever?

angelica

reborncareerist wrote:

Fantastic! Truly, I love reading this kind of stuff, as somebody who works in the mental illness field and advocates for non-pharmacological approaches ... Acceptance paves the way for meaningful change, in a paradoxical kinda way.

Totally!!

If people only knew what acceptance brings. That's the grace of God - being at-one with everything. It's accepting "what is". It's transcendence. It's trans-form-ation or moving beyond our form into a deeper sense of awareness. We can do it in the depths of illness, or as an amputee.

If you are in the mental health field and can see individuals beyond their illnesses, and speak to who they are, that is so awesome!

chopitdown

wwfairfield wrote:

so none of the answers have ever included the limb?
ever?

evidently not.

edit: God isn't obligated to do something b/c "x" amount of people have been cured or haven't been cured.

Cosmo

chopitdown wrote:

God always answers prayer. He just doesn't always answer them how we want them. And if you assume that God is all powerful and all knowing, He is answering it the best that it can be answered. The (reason for the) answer just escapes our limited minds.

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So... God's best efforts is to communicate to us in a language that is far too complex for us to understand? He created us, didn't He? Then, why isn't He smart enough to know we don't have a clue on what He is saying?
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The response you give is the typical vague response we get from religious leaders and their followers. Not an answer at all... just a canned response to make us go away.

Commy

Who's to say God doesn't heal amputees?

chopitdown

Cosmo wrote:

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So... God's best efforts is to communicate to us in a language that is far too complex for us to understand? He created us, didn't He? Then, why isn't He smart enough to know we don't have a clue on what He is saying?
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The response you give is the typical vague response we get from religious leaders and their followers. Not an answer at all... just a canned response to make us go away.

well let's see, he gave us the bible and most people ignore that, so why does it matter? These threads are just set up so that a few people can bash religion. It seems you either want God to not exist or you want God to be at your beck and call and if he's not then he surely can't be real and he can't be right and people feel more justified in mocking Christianity.

The response is either vague, or it's the truth. There are things that happen that no one can explain, God hasn't come down and told me why he hasn't grown a limb back for someone. He hasn't explained why loved ones die either, or why he won't cure a disease. If you want a concrete answer, you won't find one.
My "canned response" isn't to make you go away, it's to attempt to answer a very difficult question. Believe me, I wish that it was clearer why certain things happen. I'm sure the singer who just lost his daughter when his son backed over her would love some answers other than, it's not meant to be. Sometimes, the answer we want isn't the answer we need and sometimes bad things do happen to good people. If all there is in our lives is the here and now, then yep...it sucks. If you believe there is more to living than this life, then you have to believe everything happens for a reason.

angelica

Cosmo wrote:

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So... God's best efforts is to communicate to us in a language that is far too complex for us to understand? He created us, didn't He? Then, why isn't He smart enough to know we don't have a clue on what He is saying?
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The response you give is the typical vague response we get from religious leaders and their followers. Not an answer at all... just a canned response to make us go away.

We do have a clue...we choose to be willful and "outsmart" life. We'd rather live through ego than through harmony.

The paths to understanding have been clearly delineated in all religions since they began. And in all mystical traditions. Going to church on Sunday or otherwise paying lip service to living harmoniously doesn't entitle one to an integrated, peaceful and harmonious existence.

sweet adeline

Commy wrote:

Who's to say God doesn't heal amputees?

have you ever heard of a dude getting his leg amputated and then by the divine grace of god, he miraculously wakes up one morning after days and nights of praying to find his missing limb has returned?

me neither.

sweet adeline

chopitdown wrote:

well let's see, he gave us the bible and most people ignore that, so why does it matter? These threads are just set up so that a few people can bash religion. It seems you either want God to not exist or you want God to be at your beck and call and if he's not then he surely can't be real and he can't be right and people feel more justified in mocking Christianity.

here's a newsflash...god didn't write the bible, people did.

angelica

sweet adeline wrote:

have you ever heard of a dude getting his leg amputated and then by the divine grace of god, he miraculously wakes up one morning after days and nights of praying to find his missing limb has returned?

me neither.

It sounds like you have a slim definition of the concept "heal"...

If you can expand your view, you might see some very interesting things!!

(ever see Field of Dreams!!?? )

angelica

sweet adeline wrote:

here's a newsflash...god didn't write the bible, people did.

The Source of all existence flows through every bit of creation. It's the human ego that sees itself as separate from it's source.

Commy

sweet adeline wrote:

have you ever heard of a dude getting his leg amputated and then by the divine grace of god, he miraculously wakes up one morning after days and nights of praying to find his missing limb has returned?

me neither.

Spiritual healing is far more important than physical. It may be hard to understand, but I believe that to be true.

Cosmo

chopitdown wrote:

well let's see, he gave us the bible and most people ignore that, so why does it matter? These threads are just set up so that a few people can bash religion. It seems you either want God to not exist or you want God to be at your beck and call and if he's not then he surely can't be real and he can't be right and people feel more justified in mocking Christianity.

The response is either vague, or it's the truth. There are things that happen that no one can explain, God hasn't come down and told me why he hasn't grown a limb back for someone. He hasn't explained why loved ones die either, or why he won't cure a disease. If you want a concrete answer, you won't find one.
My "canned response" isn't to make you go away, it's to attempt to answer a very difficult question. Believe me, I wish that it was clearer why certain things happen. I'm sure the singer who just lost his daughter when his son backed over her would love some answers other than, it's not meant to be. Sometimes, the answer we want isn't the answer we need and sometimes bad things do happen to good people. If all there is in our lives is the here and now, then yep...it sucks. If you believe there is more to living than this life, then you have to believe everything happens for a reason.

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God didn't give us the Bible... the Jews gave us the Bible. Which sort of conviently explains why the Jews are the 'Chosen People'. And if the answers are in the Bible... they are certainly vague, at best. And please... spare me the poor, poor persecuted Christianity crap. I'm not 'bashing' it... I'm questioning it.
And your original statement said God ALWAYS answers our prayers... but, in a method our limited minds cannot comprehend. What kind of crap is that? Answer the prayers and show us... instead of answering us in some sort of gibberish we will never acknowledge. If that is the case... God really is not a very good perfect Creator.
It is a canned response because I've heard it all before... and before that... and before that. And if you are unable to answer a complex question... just say, "I don't know". Don't try to come up with some vague response about how God is too stupid to see that His creation is too stupid to understand Him. The way it come out is similar to me, talking to my cat. I know she doesn't understand what I say... but, she sure does understand the sound of the can opener. I don't think God created us to be His pets.
And yes.. things happen. Death is a natural occurance to ALL living things. The reason why that singer's daughter was killed was because she crossed the path of a moving vehicle. God did not push her under the wheels. And yes... bad things happen to good people everyday... God is not to blame. It is all left to random interaction or occurance, so God is off the hook.
The belief in God should be the acceptance of His love... not the directives of the churches founded in His name. He does not command that we love Him... he loves us... unconditionally... no strings attached. God is not as petty as Man. That's why i give Him a break and never lay my bullshit upon his shoulders.