why won't god heal amputees?

sweet adeline

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zDHJ4ztnldQ&feature=related

http://www.whywontgodhealamputees.com

would be interesting to hear what some in the christian community think about this video.

DriftingByTheStorm

Epic failure #1 came at 5 seconds in.

The assumption that god works off of the premise of "logic" and "rationality" is unsubstantiated.

And this coming from an "If-Ist".

As in, i'm "iffy" about the whole concept of organized religion.

angelica

Ok. During the first question, the statement is made that amputees get no miracles from God.

What??

Who can say that? How do we know an amputee did not get an answer to a prayer yesterday? A miraculous answer?? Or any other form of miracle?? In the midst of my mental illness days, I had OCD and bi-polar disorder that were active. And yet, my gum disease reversed itself totally! As noted by my dentist. Because I had one condition did not prevent me from receiving what I saw as miracles in other areas of my life.

The statement that amputees get "no miracles from God" is a vast, sweeping assumption which indicates a biased intent of this video at the start.

puremagic

sweet adeline wrote:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zDHJ4ztnldQ&feature=related

http://www.whywontgodhealamputees.com

would be interesting to hear what some in the christian community think about this video.

Before laying the problem before God, the question should be placed on the shoulders of mankind. Why won't mankind stop making bombs and land mines? Why does mankind continue to turn a blind eye to the carnage of its own making.

You don't have to be a christian to answer this question, only human.

angelica

"you know that God completely ignores amputees when they pray for miracles..."


what???

edit: "how do you deal with this discrepency? As an intelligent person, you have to deal with it because it makes no sense"


conclusion: Let he/she who deals with their own logical fallacies cast the first stone...

sweet adeline

angelica wrote:

"you know that God completely ignores amputees when they pray for miracles..."


what???

edit: "how do you deal with this discrepency? As an intelligent person, you have to deal with it because it makes no sense"


conclusion: Let he/she who deals with their own logical fallacies cast the first stone...

symantics aside, i'd say that the majority of amputees would be praying for the their limbs to grow back and this is the miracle that is ignored.

sweet adeline

puremagic wrote:

Before laying the problem before God, the question should be placed on the shoulders of mankind. Why won't mankind stop making bombs and land mines? Why does mankind continue to turn a blind eye to the carnage of its own making.

You don't have to be a christian to answer this question, only human.

that assumes that all amputees lose limbs because of bombs or land mines. people lose limbs for other reasons, not just human carnage as you say.

angelica

sweet adeline wrote:

symantics aside, i'd say that the majority of amputees would be praying for the their limbs to grow back and this is the miracle that is ignored.

I don't consider a straw man argument "symantics".

sweet adeline

angelica wrote:

I don't consider a straw man argument "symantics".

ok. so if the question is "why won't god heal amputees who pray for their limbs back?" then would that be a better way of putting it?

i get your point, but it doesn't explain or answer the question.

angelica

sweet adeline wrote:

ok. so if the question is "why won't god heal amputees who pray for their limbs back?" then would that be a better way of putting it?

i get your point, but it doesn't explain or answer the question.

God doesn't answer prayers for many, many things. Or heal many with cancer, etc. Many Christians, or most anyone of most faiths don't understand this, and are seeking answers.


I understand people logically search for answers regarding the alogical. It's a personal subjective search. The subjective experience is beyond logic. Using logic to disprove the alogical, or to prove a negative is an impossbility.

Sure, you can emotionally spark many to say "yeah...see, God ISN'T real".... That's the nature of people...they are easily led by a good presentation.

Still...it proves nothing!

sweet adeline

agree to disagree, cuz i like ya.

angelica

sweet adeline wrote:

agree to disagree, cuz i like ya.

ditto.

Cosmo

Questions:
If you lose your leg in an accident.. when you go to Heaven... is your leg back on or is your leg waiting for you there?
What if you were born without legs... do you get a pair of legs in Heaven?
What about people in wheelchairs? In Heaven, are they walking around?
If so, does this also apply to the blind who can see and deaf people who can hear, too?
What about retarded people? In Heaven... are they still retarded?
And what about our pets? Are there pets in Heaven? If so... how did they get there? Do cats accept Jesus as their personal saviour? If not... why not? Wasn't our love for our pets real?

puremagic

sweet adeline wrote:

that assumes that all amputees lose limbs because of bombs or land mines. people lose limbs for other reasons, not just human carnage as you say.

I didn't address accidents, because frankly the title of the post (website) uses the word amputees because of the current world conflicts. The question could have alluded to a number of situations, cancer, hunger, blindness, or AIDS. Instead, it used amputees because it is current event problem for our returning soldiers and has been in and out of the media. Plus, the question limited the response to Christians. If there is but one God, what difference would it make who responded to the question.

If it was question of why won't God heal something, it should have been something like cancer. An affliction that knows no race, no religion, no borders, no age. It is not man made, although it can be caused by man made products and activities. When you think of an amputee, your think accident, war, land mines, a birth defect or a psychopath who collects body parts.

sweet adeline

puremagic wrote:

If it was question of why won't God heal something, it should have been something like cancer. An affliction that knows no race, no religion, no borders, no age. It is not man made, although it can be caused by man made products and activities. When you think of an amputee, your think accident, war, land mines, a birth defect or a psychopath who collects body parts.

i've heard plenty people who've claimed that their cancer went away through the power of prayer. i've yet to hear the same from an amputee.

rebornFixer

Maybe God feels that there's nothing wrong with amputees? They're good people, just like the rest of us.

wwfairfield

better question..

why didn't jesus know the planet was round??

screw the amputees ... riddle me this batman

rebornFixer

wwfairfield wrote:

better question..

why didn't jesus know the planet was round??

screw the amputees ... riddle me this batman

How do ya know he didn't?

Discipline: "Do you think we should tell them?"
Jesus: "No, their ignorance entertains me ..."
Disciple: "Wh ... What?!"
Jesus: "Oh, come off it ... I can't be an asshole just once while I'm down here?"

sweet adeline

wwfairfield wrote:

better question..

why didn't jesus know the planet was round??

screw the amputees ... riddle me this batman

he was trying to save the native americans.

"and i almost would've gotten away with it if it weren't for that meddling christopher columbus..."

cornnifer

i once accidentally cut off my right arm just below the elbow. i spread a little Carmex on it and it grew back. i swear.


Seriously, though, the web page states that "why won't God heal amputees?" is the "most important question we can ask about God". :rolleyes:

i may be at risk of oversharing, but, about 7 years ago i lost a nut Lance Armstrong, Tom Green style. As a Christian myself, i never once prayed for it to miraculously grow back. Nor did i mock God when it didn't. This video and web site seriously make no sense. With that i remove myself from this "religious" discussion. Have fun.

rebornFixer

cornnifer wrote:

i once accidentally cut off my right arm just below the elbow. i spread a little Carmex on it and it grew back. i swear.


Seriously, though, the web page states that "why won't God heal amputees?" is the "most important question we can ask about God". :rolleyes:

i may be at risk of oversharing, but, about 7 years ago i lost a nut Lance Armstrong, Tom Green style. As a Christian myself, i never once prayed for it to miraculously grow back. Nor did i mock God when it didn't. This video and web site seriously make no sense. With that i remove myself from this "religious" discussion. Have fun.

Usually, your posts about race issues make me want to shake some sense into you, but in this case, I cannot help but admire how you handled that situation. Kudos to you ...

puremagic

sweet adeline wrote:

i've heard plenty people who've claimed that their cancer went away through the power of prayer. i've yet to hear the same from an amputee.

Key word "claim". People associate cancer with death, a slow death that eats away at your body with treatments that make you feel even worse for a time being. Drawing upon one's faith is not uncommon because thought of what is happening in their body is too great to deal with, so they have the "need" to believe that one day when they were actually feeling better God had answer they're prayer and heal their cancer. They stop their treatments, they stop their medication, they stop going in for checkup. In reality it is them coming to terms with the fact that they have cancer and have chosen a way to accept it. Some cancers go into remission, is it a miracle, and act of God's intervention, because a person prayed or was it because of their treatment or their body's natural defenses? It's whatever that person needs to believe to carry on with life.

I'm of that belief that faith is what one believes to carry them over to the next level of existence. If an amputee believes that they need a missing body part to be accepted, then I believe that the teaching of faith has slipped because faith is about your soul, your essence, not your body. The amputee who prays for new body part, prays in vain. The amputee who prays for the same thing we all pray for, the strength to carry on, will blend in as just another member of society. The only difference between an amputee and another person is that handicapped parking privilege. These are productive members of society, head of household, why make them seem less of a person because of lost limb.

We all have to make adjustments in our lives, and when we call upon God, its because we need the strength to look beyond whatever has us weighed down. We need that moment to make peace with ourselves before choosing a path to move forward on.

angelica

reborncareerist wrote:

Maybe God feels that there's nothing wrong with amputees? They're good people, just like the rest of us.

This is a very good answer. It's our human mind that puts special value on some traits and considers one lacking because they are not "normal" or "complete". That's about human pettiness...not so much about God.....

rebornFixer

angelica wrote:

This is a very good answer. It's our human mind that puts special value on some traits and considers one lacking because they are not "normal" or "complete". That's about human pettiness...not so much about God.....

You said it better than I did.

wwfairfield

cornnifer wrote:

i once accidentally cut off my right arm just below the elbow. i spread a little Carmex on it and it grew back. i swear.


Seriously, though, the web page states that "why won't God heal amputees?" is the "most important question we can ask about God". :rolleyes:

i may be at risk of oversharing, but, about 7 years ago i lost a nut Lance Armstrong, Tom Green style. As a Christian myself, i never once prayed for it to miraculously grow back. Nor did i mock God when it didn't. This video and web site seriously make no sense. With that i remove myself from this "religious" discussion. Have fun.

i was once mountain climbing alone and had to chew my nut off to save myself
it worked

thank you jesus

angelica

reborncareerist wrote:

You said it better than I did.

Thanks. Most of you realize I spent many years "wracked with mental illness", whereupon I fully bought into the stigma, and believed I was "genetically flawed" and would take medication for the rest of my life. I had every victim script going. For me it would have been a pure miracle were I to become cured. The base key of healing was in recognizing the whole concept was a flaw. It was when I realized I was always whole and complete, despite any disorder, that ironically the disorders dissipated. By then, it mattered little, because I learned to do "mental illness" so well. When I learned to be calm and to go with it while "doing" my hair for over 24 hours in one day, in the throes of obsessive compulsive disorder, I truly embraced my life, and myself. There is nothing more awesome than being at peace with life. It's our natural state before we outthink ourselves and apply our zany mis-logic removing ourselves from our state of harmony. We throw ourselves into a fall from grace over and over in each day. I had to learn that the brown discoloured blade of grass was no less worthy than the green thriving ones...regardless of what anyone else thought.

rebornFixer

angelica wrote:

Thanks. Most of you realize I spent many years "wracked with mental illness", whereupon I fully bought into the stigma, and believed I was "genetically flawed" and would take medication for the rest of my life. I had every victim script going. For me it would have been a pure miracle were I to become cured. The base key of healing was in recognizing the whole concept was a flaw. It was when I realized I was always whole and complete, despite any disorder, that ironically the disorders dissipated. By then, it mattered little, because I learned to do "mental illness" so well. When I learned to be calm and to go with it while "doing" my hair for over 24 hours in one day, in the throes of obsessive compulsive disorder, I truly embraced my life, and myself. There is nothing more awesome than being at peace with life. It's our natural state before we outthink ourselves and apply our zany mis-logic removing ourselves from our state of harmony. We throw ourselves into a fall from grace over and over in each day. I had to learn that the brown discoloured blade of grass was no less worthy than the green thriving ones...regardless of what anyone else thought.

Fantastic! Truly, I love reading this kind of stuff, as somebody who works in the mental illness field and advocates for non-pharmacological approaches ... Acceptance paves the way for meaningful change, in a paradoxical kinda way.

chopitdown

God always answers prayer. He just doesn't always answer them how we want them. And if you assume that God is all powerful and all knowing, He is answering it the best that it can be answered. The (reason for the) answer just escapes our limited minds.

wwfairfield

chopitdown wrote:

God always answers prayer. He just doesn't always answer them how we want them. And if you assume that God is all powerful and all knowing, He is answering it the best that it can be answered. The (reason for the) answer just escapes our limited minds.

so none of the answers have ever included the limb?
ever?

angelica

reborncareerist wrote:

Fantastic! Truly, I love reading this kind of stuff, as somebody who works in the mental illness field and advocates for non-pharmacological approaches ... Acceptance paves the way for meaningful change, in a paradoxical kinda way.

Totally!!

If people only knew what acceptance brings. That's the grace of God - being at-one with everything. It's accepting "what is". It's transcendence. It's trans-form-ation or moving beyond our form into a deeper sense of awareness. We can do it in the depths of illness, or as an amputee.

If you are in the mental health field and can see individuals beyond their illnesses, and speak to who they are, that is so awesome!

chopitdown

wwfairfield wrote:

so none of the answers have ever included the limb?
ever?

evidently not.

edit: God isn't obligated to do something b/c "x" amount of people have been cured or haven't been cured.