i don't buy this one bit. i can only imagine the outrage and demands put upon him if he came out and backed mccain. i know, it'd never happen in a million years. but if he did.....this place would be completely upside down with people questioning ed's decision making..
they may question his decision making, i agree. i was merely stating that he doesn't 'owe' anyone an explanation. and he doesn't.
as far as i'm concerned...who really gives a fuck? i don't listen to the music for ed's political views. i listen because it makes me tap my foot, think of times past, and enjoy the day a little more.
Ed showed his support during his solo tour, while talking about how movie and music stars shouldn't publically participate in political pandering, a large Obama '08 poster was walked across the stage behind him
it got a large round of applause at the three shows I went to.
"Music, for me, was fucking heroin." eV (nothing Ed has said is more true for me personally than this quote)
they may question his decision making, i agree. i was merely stating that he doesn't 'owe' anyone an explanation. and he doesn't.
i agree, he doesn't owe anyone anything. all i'm saying is there'd be a hefty chunk of people here that would think he did owe them one. i've been around here for quite a while (more years than i'd like to admit) and i've seen peoples reactions. i'm not naming anyone in particular......but it'd be total chaos around here if he ever did back someone like mccain. that's all i'm saying.
It is playing with the thought that it's a white house and white is like a blank color. Therefore, to put color into it is like painting or drawing. It's making it something DIFFERENT or more beautiful.
Geez.
Do we have to miss the point all the time?
I agree and yep :( yep we do!
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
I'd actually be curious as to why Ed had never supported a Democrat candidate in the past ... It'd be interesting to hear his reasons. Has he given up on the whole 3rd parties can change the world idea? Does he now believe in voting for the "lesser of two evils" when before he actively eschewed this idea? Does he indeed think that Obama is somehow a special Dem candidate, and if so, why? I don't think that he should have to answer these questions, certainly not publically. Its just a somewhat surprising about-face.
If I'm not mistaken, Ed supported Democratic candidate John Kerry in 2004. And, now I'm really reaching back into my memory hole here, I don't think he had anything bad to say about Bill Clinton back in 1992. Less far back, he also defended Bill Clinton in an interview during the Monica Lewinski scandal (something about sniffing for used tissues in Clinton's prosecutor's wastebaskets).
Like a lot of people who occasionally vote third party, Ed's likely a pragmatist.
I don't really think anyone is calling Ed a racist. People might wonder if he's putting undue attention on the colour of Obama's skin, rather than focusing on the issues, but again, it was probably just a spontaneous turn of phrase.
My particular problem is that he has, in the past, given perfectly valid reasons for supporting a particular candidate. In this case, he seems to be vaguely throwing his lot in with Obama, and not getting any more involved than that. It's not wrong, per se, it's just a different approach than we're used to from Ed.
These were my thoughts on the topic. If you're going to mention how the whitehouse is going to be better with Obama in it....I would hope to hear a better reason than a change of color. No, Ed doesn't have to give a better reason, he doesn't have to state any reason at all....but that leaves me to wonder if that's all there is to say about Obama for him, since he hasn't elaborated on any other reasons that I know of.
So yes, Ed doesn't owe anyone any explaination BUT we can still discuss what was said and wonder about it if we choose to. and NO, I don't think anyone here was calling Ed a racist. It was more to the point of thinking this is the only thing that would change in the whitehouse next year...the color. If there's more then why not say so?
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
If I'm not mistaken, Ed supported Democratic candidate John Kerry in 2004. And, now I'm really reaching back into my memory hole here, I don't think he had anything bad to say about Bill Clinton back in 1992. Less far back, he also defended Bill Clinton in an interview during the Monica Lewinski scandal (something about sniffing for used tissues in Clinton's prosecutor's wastebaskets).
Like a lot of people who occasionally vote third party, Ed's likely a pragmatist.
Maybe your memory is better than mine ... Did he explictly endorse Kerry? I suppose one can assume so, given the whole VFC tour and all.
Maybe your memory is better than mine ... Did he explictly endorse Kerry? I suppose one can assume so, given the whole VFC tour and all.
I don't know about explicitly, but yeah, the VFC thing kinda made me think he was. I also remember when he was asked about why he wasn't supporting Nader, he said something to the effect of 'remodeling the house is a great idea, but you can't do it when the basement's on fire.'
It's the same thing with this color in the white house comment. It's not an explicit endorsement, but a funny comment that leads you to believe, "yeah, he's probably voting Obama."
I don't know about explicitly, but yeah, the VFC thing kinda made me think he was. I also remember when he was asked about why he wasn't supporting Nader, he said something to the effect of 'remodeling the house is a great idea, but you can't do it when the basement's on fire.'
It's the same thing with this color in the white house comment. It's not an explicit endorsement, but a funny comment that leads you to believe, "yeah, he's probably voting Obama."
I know on Ed's wiki site there's mention of him supporting kerry in 2004.
It is playing with the thought that it's a white house and white is like a blank color. Therefore, to put color into it is like painting or drawing. It's making it something DIFFERENT or more beautiful.
Geez.
Do we have to miss the point all the time?
exactly and exactly..........
and i DID post more of what ed said, NOT just about *color*...it was truly just a good turn of phrase as justam said.
beachdweller, i had no idea he did that for any of his solo gigs - VERY cool! glad to read it...awesome!
in DC he said more, not in great detail...but enough for sure. also talked more in NYC too. anyone can get the boots for a listen, great shows all as well! i just really got a kick outta that good turn of phrase and wanted to share.....
Ed showed his support during his solo tour, while talking about how movie and music stars shouldn't publically participate in political pandering, a large Obama '08 poster was walked across the stage behind him
it got a large round of applause at the three shows I went to.
At the Berkeley show, there was a HUGE Obama poster. It's awesome and, as usual, Ed rocks and his politics inspire me.
I don't think it has been said here, but it's worth saying ... that people are judged on the basis of race, whether any of you realize it or not. I know many people who voted for Obama during the primaries (myself included) because of his campaign of hope and thoughtful politics. His friends are radicals that I admire. That said, it is also true the having a person of color in the 'white house' is certainly one small part of creating a movement of change in this country and, arguably, the world. The only people who can be 'color blind' are generally those who benefit from the serious inequities among racial groups. So, Ed's comment ... not 100% sure of what he meant, but I take it to mean that it would be a radical and needed change to disrupt the longstanding trajectory of who enters the white house ... generally privileged white men.
Ed is not supporting Obama cause he's black, he's supporting Obama cause he's not McCain. Which, somehow, makes it so much better.
I look up to Ed and everything, but on this particular topic, I'm sad to see him supporting someone like Obama and trying to justify it to himself by telling himself that "it's ok.. he'll be different..." when he clearly won't... It just makes Ed look like another leftist...
Ed is not supporting Obama cause he's black, he's supporting Obama cause he's not McCain. Which, somehow, makes it so much better.
I look up to Ed and everything, but on this particular topic, I'm sad to see him supporting someone like Obama and trying to justify it to himself by telling himself that "it's ok.. he'll be different..." when he clearly won't... It just makes Ed look like another leftist...
At the Berkeley show, there was a HUGE Obama poster. It's awesome and, as usual, Ed rocks and his politics inspire me.
I don't think it has been said here, but it's worth saying ... that people are judged on the basis of race, whether any of you realize it or not. I know many people who voted for Obama during the primaries (myself included) because of his campaign of hope and thoughtful politics. His friends are radicals that I admire. That said, it is also true the having a person of color in the 'white house' is certainly one small part of creating a movement of change in this country and, arguably, the world. The only people who can be 'color blind' are generally those who benefit from the serious inequities among racial groups. So, Ed's comment ... not 100% sure of what he meant, but I take it to mean that it would be a radical and needed change to disrupt the longstanding trajectory of who enters the white house ... generally privileged white men.
you better be careful, i've seen ppl make similar comments here and they were called racist biggots...but i guess you being an obama supporter they will look the other way....
but what hopeful and thoughtful politics?
-taking money and giving jobs to lobbyists then lying about it on national tv?
-having troops in iraq still in 2013
-maybe 25% renewable energy by 2025
-shitty health care plan (which is the same as we have now, just you have an option to buy a plan from the government if you can't get one elsewhere)
-a foreign policy like reagan and bush I.....
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
:rolleyes: ...thought we weren't supposed to see skin color...
We are supposed to see it under SOME conditions ... For example, when spuriously associating Obama with a massive propensity to work change, or when acting as an apologist for Islamic fundamentalism ("Its 'cause they're BROWN ...") ... Didn't you get the memo?
Comments
my sentiments exactly
*psssstt* he is posting in the thread.
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Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Ed showed his support during his solo tour, while talking about how movie and music stars shouldn't publically participate in political pandering, a large Obama '08 poster was walked across the stage behind him
it got a large round of applause at the three shows I went to.
Stop by:
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Hahaha..proving your own point. Do you really think I think Ed's a racist for this comment? Please.
cool
~D.K.S.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
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http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2008/06/24/tomo/
You're right! This thread is a goldmine!
All in the same thread, presumably all by white people, you have:
Being offended (ref: http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/05/28/101-being-offended/)
Diversity (ref: http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/01/19/7-diversity/)
Barack Obama (ref: http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/2008/01/19/8-barack-obama/)
Having black friends (ref: http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/01/21/14-having-black-friends/)
Awareness (ref: http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/01/23/18-awareness/)
Threatening to move to Canada (ref: http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/02/24/75-threatening-to-move-to-canada/)
Hating corporations (ref: http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/03/05/82-hating-corporations/)
Gentrification (ref: http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/02/22/73-gentrification/)
Like a lot of people who occasionally vote third party, Ed's likely a pragmatist.
These were my thoughts on the topic. If you're going to mention how the whitehouse is going to be better with Obama in it....I would hope to hear a better reason than a change of color. No, Ed doesn't have to give a better reason, he doesn't have to state any reason at all....but that leaves me to wonder if that's all there is to say about Obama for him, since he hasn't elaborated on any other reasons that I know of.
So yes, Ed doesn't owe anyone any explaination BUT we can still discuss what was said and wonder about it if we choose to. and NO, I don't think anyone here was calling Ed a racist. It was more to the point of thinking this is the only thing that would change in the whitehouse next year...the color. If there's more then why not say so?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Maybe your memory is better than mine ... Did he explictly endorse Kerry? I suppose one can assume so, given the whole VFC tour and all.
It's the same thing with this color in the white house comment. It's not an explicit endorsement, but a funny comment that leads you to believe, "yeah, he's probably voting Obama."
I know on Ed's wiki site there's mention of him supporting kerry in 2004.
Wishlist last night at MSG, another mention of Obama.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=5584129&postcount=15
I am surprised he didn't use it as a lead in right before he played "Black".
exactly and exactly..........
and i DID post more of what ed said, NOT just about *color*...it was truly just a good turn of phrase as justam said.
beachdweller, i had no idea he did that for any of his solo gigs - VERY cool! glad to read it...awesome!
in DC he said more, not in great detail...but enough for sure. also talked more in NYC too. anyone can get the boots for a listen, great shows all as well! i just really got a kick outta that good turn of phrase and wanted to share.....
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
At the Berkeley show, there was a HUGE Obama poster. It's awesome and, as usual, Ed rocks and his politics inspire me.
I don't think it has been said here, but it's worth saying ... that people are judged on the basis of race, whether any of you realize it or not. I know many people who voted for Obama during the primaries (myself included) because of his campaign of hope and thoughtful politics. His friends are radicals that I admire. That said, it is also true the having a person of color in the 'white house' is certainly one small part of creating a movement of change in this country and, arguably, the world. The only people who can be 'color blind' are generally those who benefit from the serious inequities among racial groups. So, Ed's comment ... not 100% sure of what he meant, but I take it to mean that it would be a radical and needed change to disrupt the longstanding trajectory of who enters the white house ... generally privileged white men.
I look up to Ed and everything, but on this particular topic, I'm sad to see him supporting someone like Obama and trying to justify it to himself by telling himself that "it's ok.. he'll be different..." when he clearly won't... It just makes Ed look like another leftist...
Bingo. Kinda what I was thinking.
i wont have to explain shit
Are you actually saying you're voting for him because he's black?
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you better be careful, i've seen ppl make similar comments here and they were called racist biggots...but i guess you being an obama supporter they will look the other way....
but what hopeful and thoughtful politics?
-taking money and giving jobs to lobbyists then lying about it on national tv?
-having troops in iraq still in 2013
-maybe 25% renewable energy by 2025
-shitty health care plan (which is the same as we have now, just you have an option to buy a plan from the government if you can't get one elsewhere)
-a foreign policy like reagan and bush I.....
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
We are supposed to see it under SOME conditions ... For example, when spuriously associating Obama with a massive propensity to work change, or when acting as an apologist for Islamic fundamentalism ("Its 'cause they're BROWN ...") ... Didn't you get the memo?