"It'll be nice to see a bit of color in the white house"

Smellyman2

reborncareerist wrote:

I'd like to disagree with this, but its hard to do. Of all the things Ed could have said, he chooses blackness as his focus. Sure, its a positive spin on the same, but seriously? That's a good reason to vote for someone? I am sure Ed has other reasons, not the least of which is hating Republicans, but come on ... Weak sauce, Ed.

Are you guys retarded? he only said that so he didn't just come out and say "I am going to vote for Obama".

I guess he could of said the..

"sane" one.
"young" one
"taller" one
"better looking" one
one "who can string together coherent sentences"

etc.

jeffbr

Smellyman wrote:

Are you guys retarded? he only said that so he didn't just come out and say "I am going to vote for Obama".

I guess he could of said the..

"sane" one.
"young" one
"taller" one
"better looking" one
one "who can string together coherent sentences"

etc.

Not retarded here, but thanks for asking. If he "could of [sic] said" any of those things you listed, or just "I am going to vote for Obama", then why didn't he? Why did he choose to focus on race? That's the only thing some of us are wondering. Of course he could have listed any number of reasons for wanting Obama in the Whitehouse, or not wanting McCain in the Whitehouse. But they must not have been top on his list. Color was.

justam

The original quote IS a good turn of phrase.

It is playing with the thought that it's a white house and white is like a blank color. Therefore, to put color into it is like painting or drawing. It's making it something DIFFERENT or more beautiful.

Geez.

Do we have to miss the point all the time?

Smellyman2

jeffbr wrote:

Not retarded here, but thanks for asking. If he "could of [sic] said" any of those things you listed, or just "I am going to vote for Obama", then why didn't he? Why did he choose to focus on race? That's the only thing some of us are wondering. Of course he could have listed any number of reasons for wanting Obama in the Whitehouse, or not wanting McCain in the Whitehouse. But they must not have been top on his list. Color was.

Because it really hasn't worked out to well for Kerry and Nader.

Color is cleary at the top of your list, in making such a big deal of an innocent comment.

rebornFixer

Smellyman wrote:

Are you guys retarded? he only said that so he didn't just come out and say "I am going to vote for Obama".

I guess he could of said the..

"sane" one.
"young" one
"taller" one
"better looking" one
one "who can string together coherent sentences"

etc.

Yes, but only mildly so. Thanks for coming down to my level, though.

rebornFixer

justam wrote:

The original quote IS a good turn of phrase.

It is playing with the thought that it's a white house and white is like a blank color. Therefore, to put color into it is like painting or drawing. It's making it something DIFFERENT or more beautiful.

Geez.

Do we have to miss the point all the time?

Do you have insider info on Eddie's point that the rest of us don't have?
Yeah, didn't think so.
Anyhow, I think the retarded comments are uncalled for ... I still LOVE the fucking band to death. I am super-keen they are touring. Can I not take a small issue with something that Ed said? I'd bitch about the setlists instead, but they are too good.

Smellyman2

reborncareerist wrote:

Do you have insider info on Eddie's point that the rest of us don't have?
Yeah, didn't think so.
Anyhow, I think the retarded comments are uncalled for ... I still LOVE the fucking band to death. I am super-keen they are touring. Can I not take a small issue with something that Ed said? I'd bitch about the setlists instead, but they are too good.

So what is your insider info?

he's a racist?
Lefties only care about color?
If Obama was white he wouldn't vote for him?

justam

reborncareerist wrote:

Do you have insider info on Eddie's point that the rest of us don't have?
Yeah, didn't think so.
Anyhow, I think the retarded comments are uncalled for ... I still LOVE the fucking band to death. I am super-keen they are touring. Can I not take a small issue with something that Ed said? I'd bitch about the setlists instead, but they are too good.

I don't have any more information than you do. I just can hear a nice idea when it's said aloud.

You people take things and TWIST them into some negative meaning when they are not more than poetic ways of saying something good.

Rhinocerous Surprise

Smellyman wrote:

So what is your insider info?

he's a racist?
Lefties only care about color?
If Obama was white he wouldn't vote for him?

No one's saying any of that. People are just wondering why Eddie didn't say he thinks Obama is qualified, or good for the country, or smarter than Bush, or anything like that. Instead, he just said he's a different colour to Bush, or McCain. Which really isn't the most valuable point to make when you're talking politics.

I mean, I'm sure Eddie didn't have the whole speech written beforehand, and said, "You know what? Obama's black. Let's run with that." It just seems like he couldn't think of any other reason to endorse him.

rebornFixer

Smellyman wrote:

So what is your insider info?

he's a racist?
Lefties only care about color?
If Obama was white he wouldn't vote for him?

I'd actually be curious as to why Ed had never supported a Democrat candidate in the past ... It'd be interesting to hear his reasons. Has he given up on the whole 3rd parties can change the world idea? Does he now believe in voting for the "lesser of two evils" when before he actively eschewed this idea? Does he indeed think that Obama is somehow a special Dem candidate, and if so, why? I don't think that he should have to answer these questions, certainly not publically. Its just a somewhat surprising about-face.

rebornFixer

justam wrote:

I don't have any more information than you do. I just can hear a nice idea when it's said aloud.

You people take things and TWIST them into some negative meaning when they are not more than poetic ways of saying something good.

If nothing else, I can agree that the comment was poetic.

Smellyman2

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

No one's saying any of that. People are just wondering why Eddie didn't say he thinks Obama is qualified, or good for the country, or smarter than Bush, or anything like that. Instead, he just said he's a different colour to Bush, or McCain. Which really isn't the most valuable point to make when you're talking politics.

I mean, I'm sure Eddie didn't have the whole speech written beforehand, and said, "You know what? Obama's black. Let's run with that." It just seems like he couldn't think of any other reason to endorse him.

hahaha

Ed is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. If he came out and gave a speech of why he liked Obama, everyone here would be bitching.

so instead he makes a simple comment and it gets WAAAAAAYYYYY over analyzed.

Rhinocerous Surprise

Smellyman wrote:

hahaha

Ed is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. If he came out and gave a speech of why he liked Obama, everyone here would be bitching.

so instead he makes a simple comment and it gets WAAAAAAYYYYY over analyzed.

No, if Ed had given a speech on why he liked Obama, we could have at least had a reasonable discussion about it. But instead, we're stuck with saying, "Yeah, good point, but... y'know... is that it?"

justam

reborncareerist wrote:

If nothing else, I can agree that the comment was poetic.

OK.

That's really all it needed to be.

Smellyman2

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

No, if Ed had given a speech on why he liked Obama, we could have at least had a reasonable discussion about it. But instead, we're stuck with saying, "Yeah, good point, but... y'know... is that it?"

So Ed has to say he supports someone and then give his reasons so WE can have a reasonable discussion.

If he doesn't give reasons we have to speculate that he is a racist, is a lefty and only thinks about color etc.

Rhinocerous Surprise

Smellyman wrote:

So Ed has to say he supports someone and then give his reasons so WE can have a reasonable discussion.

If he doesn't give reasons we have to speculate that he is a racist, is a lefty and only thinks about color etc.

I don't really think anyone is calling Ed a racist. People might wonder if he's putting undue attention on the colour of Obama's skin, rather than focusing on the issues, but again, it was probably just a spontaneous turn of phrase.

My particular problem is that he has, in the past, given perfectly valid reasons for supporting a particular candidate. In this case, he seems to be vaguely throwing his lot in with Obama, and not getting any more involved than that. It's not wrong, per se, it's just a different approach than we're used to from Ed.

Smellyman2

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

I don't really think anyone is calling Ed a racist. People might wonder if he's putting undue attention on the colour of Obama's skin, rather than focusing on the issues, but again, it was probably just a spontaneous turn of phrase.

My particular problem is that he has, in the past, given perfectly valid reasons for supporting a particular candidate. In this case, he seems to be vaguely throwing his lot in with Obama, and not getting any more involved than that. It's not wrong, per se, it's just a different approach than we're used to from Ed.

Undue?? Other than this one, simple, Innocent comment, how much UNDUE attention has he brought.

mountains outta mole hills

Anon

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

My particular problem is that he has, in the past, given perfectly valid reasons for supporting a particular candidate. In this case, he seems to be vaguely throwing his lot in with Obama, and not getting any more involved than that. It's not wrong, per se, it's just a different approach than we're used to from Ed.

vaguely throwing his lot in with obama? are you insinuating he has put no thought into why he would decide to support him?

this is what's wrong with some of the people who post in amt. because someone has differing views to yours, you automatically assume they are sheep (i assume this is still the buzz word around here), and don't have a brain.

and no, he doesn't owe anyone an explanation as to why he choses to support whatever candidate.

his music inspires me, his political preferences don't. i don't give a rats ass who he supports.

Rhinocerous Surprise

Smellyman wrote:

Undue?? Other than this one, simple, Innocent comment, how much UNDUE attention has he brought.

mountains outta mole hills

I said "people might wonder", not "Eddie is undoubtedly trying to tell us that Obama is *gasp* a black nominee".

Pj_Gurl wrote:

vaguely throwing his lot in with obama? are you insinuating he has put no thought into why he would decide to support him?

this is what's wrong with some of the people who post in amt. because someone has differing views to yours, you automatically assume they are sheep (i assume this is still the buzz word around here), and don't have a brain.

and no, he doesn't owe anyone an explanation as to why he choses to support whatever candidate.

his music inspires me, his political preferences don't. i don't give a rats ass who he supports.

I said "seems to be". In the past, he's articulated his reasons for supporting whatever candidate. Now, he just says something about colouring the White House - hence, vaguely throwing in his lot. I never once said he was a sheep, nor that he didn't have valid reasons for supporting Obama. But he didn't express them onstage (nor does he have to).

Hell, I don't even care anymore.

BetterThanYou

Pj_Gurl wrote:

and no, he doesn't owe anyone an explanation as to why he choses to support whatever candidate.

i don't buy this one bit. i can only imagine the outrage and demands put upon him if he came out and backed mccain. i know, it'd never happen in a million years. but if he did.....this place would be completely upside down with people questioning ed's decision making.

as far as i'm concerned...who really gives a fuck? i don't listen to the music for ed's political views. i listen because it makes me tap my foot, think of times past, and enjoy the day a little more.