Your Opionion of Barack Obama

frusciante89

I really think this man has alot to offer when he is president. Has the leadership skills in a president we have not seen in a long time, his is a liberal(+ in my opinion), been antiwar from the start, honest (admitted drug use in is teenage years), you cant attack the man on his Christian values, seems to commited in changing health care and improving school. I'm curious to how you can dislike the man. IMO Hilary Clinton has nothing on him and should clearly make it to the oval office. well anyway post your thoughts on Senator Barack Obama

frusciante89

everyone posts on che's thread

kenny olav

Personally, I'm very cynical about anyone who put out a book called "The Audacity of Hope". In fact, I'm sick of all the Hope rhetoric that Dems have been shelling out lately. I just want concrete ideas and results. A lot of what Obama says sounds good, but he seems to be more about sounding good than doing good.

He's definately a skilled politician. I don't think he'll win the nomination this time, but he'll be a key Dem player well into the future, I'm sure.

duffy

i reeeeeeaaaaalllllllly want hilary to win. bad. she would be awesome as prez. and it would be a relief to have someone in office who is smart and articulate after Dumbya. i heart the clintons.

barack...seems like a nice guy...wonder if he'd be where he is if he wasn't black. the run for presidency is like a miss america pageant now. "well, we had a republican, now we need a black guy to win..." ya know.
oprah may think she can get the country to vote for barack because she wants him. i say hold on there oprah...she may sell books, but i dunno if she can sell the presidency.

El_Kabong

frusciante89 wrote:

I really think this man has alot to offer when he is president. Has the leadership skills in a president we have not seen in a long time, his is a liberal(+ in my opinion), been antiwar from the start, honest (admitted drug use in is teenage years), you cant attack the man on his Christian values, seems to commited in changing health care and improving school. I'm curious to how you can dislike the man. IMO Hilary Clinton has nothing on him and should clearly make it to the oval office. well anyway post your thoughts on Senator Barack Obama

do you think lebeirman is a liberal? b/c that's what barack is....he didn't actually support any progressive candidates in their runs, instead barack put his support behind lebeirman and others who were for the war and all that...he did ads for htem, campaigned for them, talked for them...when it came to the progressives...he started a pac a year or 2 earlier and went around raising money on a publicity tour...the pac was set up to give money to the winner of the democratic senate races...so all you had to do to get the $ was be the D on the ballot...some call this barack supporting the progressives but it is nothing close to what he did for the ones at the other end of the spectrum

he may be abti-war but he supports a strike against iran and at one point he said we should stay in iraq until the insurgency was defeated...

of course he's changed it to 'we need to get out' when the polls reflect that...to me he comes off as just another in thelong line of liars

El_Kabong

frusciante89 wrote:

I really think this man has alot to offer when he is president. Has the leadership skills in a president we have not seen in a long time, his is a liberal(+ in my opinion), been antiwar from the start, honest (admitted drug use in is teenage years), you cant attack the man on his Christian values, seems to commited in changing health care and improving school. I'm curious to how you can dislike the man. IMO Hilary Clinton has nothing on him and should clearly make it to the oval office. well anyway post your thoughts on Senator Barack Obama

"Good afternoon. Let me begin by saying that although this has been billed as an anti-war rally, I stand before you as someone who is not opposed to war in all circumstances.....I am not opposed to all wars. I’m opposed to dumb wars" - Barack Obama

does he get to define what a 'dumb war' is? what if i think attacking iran, which he supports, is a 'dumb war'??

musicismylife78

i think he is different than most politicians, and has charm and charisma, but all in all I feel, his stance on north korea and iran is troubling. According to him, if president, attacking both countries isnt off the table, and isnt out of the question. Thats scary!

Gary Carter

El_Kabong wrote:

do you think lebeirman is a liberal? b/c that's what barack is....he didn't actually support any progressive candidates in their runs, instead barack put his support behind lebeirman and others who were for the war and all that...he did ads for htem, campaigned for them, talked for them...when it came to the progressives...he started a pac a year or 2 earlier and went around raising money on a publicity tour...the pac was set up to give money to the winner of the democratic senate races...so all you had to do to get the $ was be the D on the ballot...some call this barack supporting the progressives but it is nothing close to what he did for the ones at the other end of the spectrum

he may be abti-war but he supports a strike against iran and at one point he said we should stay in iraq until the insurgency was defeated...

of course he's changed it to 'we need to get out' when the polls reflect that...to me he comes off as just another in thelong line of liars

and thusly is the same as all the fake A$$ people running for president.but with that being said, id rather vote for him then hillary

wavesonwheels

i want him to win just so i can see him trick-out the presidential limo
spinners, system , hydraulics......

pimp my presidential motorcade

El_Kabong

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wavesonwheels

El_Kabong wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoQ5sxJ_4VA

misleading

but what do you expect from hillary " i sure as hell ain't bill' clinton

Trau

Cheguevara6 wrote:

i think he is different than most politicians, and has charm and charisma, but all in all I feel, his stance on north korea and iran is troubling. According to him, if president, attacking both countries isnt off the table, and isnt out of the question. Thats scary!

First of all, I don't see how he is different from any other politician.

Second of all, why the fuck would you ever, as president, sit down and say "I will not, under any circumstances, attack X Country" before a situation has even presented itself? You have to be open to every possibility.

War is evil unless you're a socialist guerrilla, though, right?

VictoryGin

one of the reasons i like obama is that he'll actually think about situations as they occur. he seems to realize that many issues are quite complex and deserve to be looked at from different angles, and take into consideration changes of events. for example the iraq war---he was against going into it but once everyone else got us there he actually thinks about the situation as it is actually happening and adjusts his ideas accordingly. he still was against why we were there, but he has to work with what is happening and react to that. frankly i prefer a candidate who may modify their plans a little and NOT see everything in black and white all of the time. it doesn't bother me that he won't refuse to participate in any war ever from this point forward. i don't trust someone who would say that. i think those situations are too complex and deserve more consideration of the unique circumstances at the time.

Abookamongstthemany

Dennis Kucinich speaks about Obama and Clinton's inconsistancies regarding what they have said and what they actually do and how they have both voted identically on the war.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laWWgYYW8dY&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbulletin%2Emyspace%2Ecom%2Findex%2Ecfm%3Ffuseaction%3Dbulletin%2Eread%26messageID%3D3606109954%26MyToken%3D775b4afd%2D675d%2D40b5%2D847

hippiemom

VictoryGin wrote:

one of the reasons i like obama is that he'll actually think about situations as they occur. he seems to realize that many issues are quite complex and deserve to be looked at from different angles, and take into consideration changes of events. for example the iraq war---he was against going into it but once everyone else got us there he actually thinks about the situation as it is actually happening and adjusts his ideas accordingly. he still was against why we were there, but he has to work with what is happening and react to that. frankly i prefer a candidate who may modify their plans a little and NOT see everything in black and white all of the time. it doesn't bother me that he won't refuse to participate in any war ever from this point forward. i don't trust someone who would say that. i think those situations are too complex and deserve more consideration of the unique circumstances at the time.

^what she said^

I've not jumped on the bandwagon yet by a long shot. I don't know enough about him, or about most of the other candidates, to make a decision yet. I certainly haven't ruled him out though, as I have Clinton and a couple of the others.

gue_barium

They make Opi Onions?

decides2dream

VictoryGin wrote:

one of the reasons i like obama is that he'll actually think about situations as they occur. he seems to realize that many issues are quite complex and deserve to be looked at from different angles, and take into consideration changes of events. for example the iraq war---he was against going into it but once everyone else got us there he actually thinks about the situation as it is actually happening and adjusts his ideas accordingly. he still was against why we were there, but he has to work with what is happening and react to that. frankly i prefer a candidate who may modify their plans a little and NOT see everything in black and white all of the time. it doesn't bother me that he won't refuse to participate in any war ever from this point forward. i don't trust someone who would say that. i think those situations are too complex and deserve more consideration of the unique circumstances at the time.

excellent post. i am not *for* obama, election day is a long ways off, so plenty of time to consider, listen, gather information, etc. so for me, this is all listening time. however, VG made some great points....things i would look for in ANY candidate. and quite frankly i think it IS important to be able to say yes i was against this but right...we're there now...what do we do? and especially in regards to the back and white comment, absolutely! most of life is livind in the grey areas...so i truly believe we need someone who can deal with that, think like that. ideals and ideas are great....but you also have to deal with the here and now, present reality....and more often than not, a lot less than ideal. so we'll see what candidate seems aligned with that down the road....

Gary Carter

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Dennis Kucinich speaks about Obama and Clinton's inconsistancies regarding what they have said and what they actually do and how they have both voted identically on the war.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laWWgYYW8dY&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbulletin%2Emyspace%2Ecom%2Findex%2Ecfm%3Ffuseaction%3Dbulletin%2Eread%26messageID%3D3606109954%26MyToken%3D775b4afd%2D675d%2D40b5%2D847

very good clip abook

Truthmonger

Well, as a non-American, and as an individual on this planet who has to live with the decisions and consequences of America's actions, I am disturbed by the leadership vacuum that exists in the U.S.. Its frightening, and frankly, its depressing.

I read an article today by Charley Reese, who went on to say:

"In my dreams, I see the American people rising like a roaring lion and ripping the guilty politicians out of their offices, but that is only a dream".

Ya, its only a dream.

El_Kabong

wavesonwheels wrote:

misleading

but what do you expect from hillary " i sure as hell ain't bill' clinton

you are right, i have taken the link out and left a negative comment and rating at youtube.

i looked up his appearance on 'face the nation' or whatever it was and the clip leaves out some key words right before the video starts..."I disagree w/ Senator McCain when he says..."

mca47

I like Obama

El_Kabong

mca47 wrote:

I like Obama

well, that's it! fuck dennis kucinich, i'm an obama man, now!!!



that's all ikeep hearing...ppl like him, he doesn't see things in black and white...but what about him do ppl like? it just seems like a big popularity contest, to me.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Obama...uhh..yeap...I guess I like him...why?...umm...I don't know...I guess he looks ok you know...

When's American Idol on next?

arrghh...

El_Kabong

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Obama...uhh..yeap...I guess I like him...why?...umm...I don't know...I guess he looks ok you know...

When's American Idol on next?

arrghh...

i like his stances...what stances? uhhhhh....well...his stance on health care...well...he hasn't really defined his stance on that yet, perse, but....ummmm...i like his stance on the war...it's just a coinidence he changes it around the same time the polls do....hey, why are you asking me, you some kinda racist??? :mad:

RainDog

El_Kabong wrote:

i like his stances...what stances? uhhhhh....well...his stance on health care...well...he hasn't really defined his stance on that yet, perse, but....ummmm...i like his stance on the war...it's just a coinidence he changes it around the same time the polls do....hey, why are you asking me, you some kinda racist??? :mad:

He laid out a universal health care plan last week. It works with the private sector, it's not single payer, but it's a plan. I don't know if plan is synonymous with stance, but there you go.

He opposed the war in Iraq from the start and believes we are in a position to pull the troops out by March of '08. Maybe not soon enough for you, but it's still a stance and likely ahead of any real pull out date anyway. I haven't seen any real deviation from that, polls or not.

If you don't like him, that's fine. It's not racist to oppose someone based on position. Sure, politicians cast their opinions in such a way to garner themselves the most votes - sometimes without completely turning against their beliefs, sometimes they do turn completely. The degrees might be different depending on who we're talking about - but they all do it. For further proof of this phenomenon, see Dennis Kucinich's varied stances on abortion.

RainDog

Cheguevara6 wrote:

i think he is different than most politicians, and has charm and charisma, but all in all I feel, his stance on north korea and iran is troubling. According to him, if president, attacking both countries isnt off the table, and isnt out of the question. Thats scary!

Truthfully, attacking Britian isn't off the table. It's extremely unlikely - and would have to be proceeded by some sort of major breakdown in our relations, but who knows how the future will unfold (trite, I know, but that doesn't make it any less true - it's not like we haven't fought each other before). North Korea and Iran just happen to be in the news these days.

blackredyellow

RainDog wrote:

Truthfully, attacking Britian isn't off the table. It's extremely unlikely - and would have to be proceeded by some sort of major breakdown in our relations, but who knows how the future will unfold (trite, I know, but that doesn't make it any less true - it's not like we haven't fought each other before). North Korea and Iran just happen to be in the news these days.

Yeah... I'm not convinced either way on Obama yet, but ruling him out because of saying a military strike isn't off the table seems unrealistic to me. There is a BIG difference in keeping a military strike as a bargaining chip and actually doing it. What was the line that he used before? something like "I'm not against all wars, just stupid wars." I am the same way, but I haven't gotten a feel yet for where he draws the line. I was for (and still for) the war in Afghanistan... I just wish that it was done right and this whole Bil Laden, Al Qaeda thing could have been contained.

RainDog

blackredyellow wrote:

Yeah... I'm not convinced either way on Obama yet, but ruling him out because of saying a military strike isn't off the table seems unrealistic to me. There is a BIG difference in keeping a military strike as a bargaining chip and actually doing it. What was the line that he used before? something like "I'm not against all wars, just stupid wars." I am the same way, but I haven't gotten a feel yet for where he draws the line. I was for (and still for) the war in Afghanistan... I just wish that it was done right and this whole Bil Laden, Al Qaeda thing could have been contained.

For someone like me, who's neither a pacifist nor a warmonger, his position doesn't sound all that unusual. Of course "all options are on the table." To me, that's common sense. If you own a gun, you own the option to use it. On a national scale, the military is our gun. And, like a gun, it's ridiculous to wave it around screaming that you've got one and aren't afraid to use it (Cheney, I'm looking at you), and naive to think people will believe you when you say "gun, what gun?" I don't hear any candidate saying we should disband the military. So, if we're keeping the military, we're keeping the option to use it.

Unfortunately, we've had an administration that's so goddamned trigger happy, it's understandable that many, many of us are little gun-shy.

RainDog

El_Kabong wrote:

hey, why are you asking me, you some kinda racist??? :mad:

I just saw what happened in the "why should I vote for Obama" thread. Yeah, that was more than a little unfair. Of all the "-ists" you might fall under, "racist" isn't one of them.

mca47

http://origin.barackobama.com/issues/

You can get a little more info about someone reading it rather then listening to 2 minute response from a "debate".

El_Kabong

RainDog wrote:

He opposed the war in Iraq from the start and believes we are in a position to pull the troops out by March of '08. Maybe not soon enough for you, but it's still a stance and likely ahead of any real pull out date anyway. I haven't seen any real deviation from that, polls or not.

he has deviated from that b/c a year and a half ago his 'stance' was we stay until the insurgency was defeated and even then we keep US troops there...he even made the point to state "Notice that I say "reduce," and not "fully withdraw." "

he also wanted to maintain permanent military bases in iraq so syria and iran know we are serious...

now that the polls say pullout he is about pulling out?