Good job NBC

thankyougrandma

inmytree wrote:

but news is news, grandma....

death and murder happens, sadly on a regular basis....

should the next time someone dies, should the news not cover it out of "respect for the families"...? should they only cover feel-good things...

no one seems to be upset at the Smoking Gun, who posted his play....why is that different...?

sadly, news is news...and people with watch and read...because at the end of the day...we are all voyeurs...

You know it's not a covering up, covering up would be to talk about these events in the fait-divers section without any details, we're far from that, we're to the far opposite, into the indecent voyeurism side. I believe there's a middle somewhere, but medias will do what serve them best and people want to see everything, just like in horror movies, they want to see the brain cramming out. I do choose not to watch, before you come out with this rhetoric, but it's almost impossible, you watch the news, it's there.

i've never heard about "the Smoking Gun", don't know what it is.

saying "news is news" is the fatalist approach, "it's like that and can't change", i disagree, news is news and it can inform us without falling into voyeurism or sensationalism, but i know it's currently like this, it doesn't mean it's ok to be like this, and that's why i think this is going too far.

macgyver06

hsewif wrote:

It's important to understand just how ill he was.... there are different degrees.

there's a difference between stabbing someone once and stabbing someone 147 times.

was he just a little wacky and then one-day snapped or was he a full-blown nut job? There is a huge area in-between and the video shows just how disturbed he was.

no there is not.... have you ever stabbed someone once???

macgyver06

can we all agree to this...unless you are a soldier...you gotta be nuts to kill someone...no matter how many times you shoot or stab or hit..or what the fuck ever.

these people are crazy...mentally ill if you will

of course self deefense is ok to

Jeanwah

I haven't read all 9 pages here, but I have to agree with the initial post. What NBC did is exactly what the killer wanted -- attention. Not to mention glorifying the tragedy. I'm sorry, this just proves that media in general has reached a (not so) new low.

inmytree

thankyougrandma wrote:

You know it's not a covering up, covering up would be to talk about these events in the fait-divers section without any details, we're far from that, we're to the far opposite, into the indecent voyeurism side. I believe there's a middle somewhere, but medias will do what serve them best and people want to see everything, just like in horror movies, they want to see the brain cramming out. I do choose not to watch, before you come out with this rhetoric, but it's almost impossible, you watch the news, it's there.

i've never heard about "the Smoking Gun", don't know what it is.

saying "news is news" is the fatalist approach, "it's like that and can't change", i disagree, news is news and it can inform us without falling into voyeurism or sensationalism, but i know it's currently like this, it doesn't mean it's ok to be like this, and that's why i think this is going too far.

http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=241185

the smoking gun stuff I mentioned...

you say "going too far"...where's the line..? I guess that's the question...

josevolution

hsewif wrote:

It's important to understand just how ill he was.... there are different degrees.

there's a difference between stabbing someone once and stabbing someone 147 times.

was he just a little wacky and then one-day snapped or was he a full-blown nut job? There is a huge area in-between and the video shows just how disturbed he was.

so does that bring any relief to the families ?? would it to you ??......

hsewif

josevolution wrote:

so does that bring any relief to the families ?? would it to you ??......

I think it would (for me). Time will tell what the real families have to say about it. you have kids... wouldn't you want to know more about this guy?

and it was on every news outlet, not just nbc.

macgyver06

hsewif wrote:

I think it would (for me). Time will tell what the real families have to say about it. you have kids... wouldn't you want to know more about this guy?

and it was on every news outlet, not just nbc.

nope...i imagine my girl being a victim..and than i get extremely sad...and realize..i want her back right now...thats not gonna happen...

Uncle Leo

You know when you are watching sports and suddenly the camera pans the stands or zooms in on a coach's face and the announcer says "there is a fan out on the field."

They stopped showing those fans because it was recognized that if a fan knows he's going to get shown for running onto the field, it is more likely that the fan will go. If the fan knows that they don't even put that shit on TV anymore, than perhaps it's not worth getting arrested just to do it in front of several thousand strangers.

Similarly, I suppose you certainly could argue that someone contemplating suicide could see this and say "fuck it" I'm going out in a blaze of glory and I'll get on TV for next few weeks."

inmytree

hsewif wrote:

I think it would (for me). Time will tell what the real families have to say about it. you have kids... wouldn't you want to know more about this guy?

and it was on every news outlet, not just nbc.

quit it...!!!

quit making sense...

thankyougrandma

inmytree wrote:

http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=241185

the smoking gun stuff I mentioned...

you say "going too far"...where's the line..? I guess that's the question...

probably, and that's why we disagree, i think the line has been cross, you don't think the line has been cross.

We also disagree that the killer's intention was to get those tapes aired, i think it was exactly his intentions, and they did fall into that, probably thinking about ratings and profits more than about the morality of the affair. That's where i think the line has been cross.

In the end it change nothing to the event itself, it's just the way they're capitalizing on this event for their own profits, and yes any medias would do the same, that is the disgusting part.

josevolution

hsewif wrote:

I think it would (for me). Time will tell what the real families have to say about it. you have kids... wouldn't you want to know more about this guy?

and it was on every news outlet, not just nbc.

i do have kids and no i would wan't the prick alive so i could kill his ass, and just because it was on every news outlet doesn't make it right and did you hear that a few of the families refused to talk to NBC after this debacle ......is that enough of an answer from the families ......

cerebus

I strongly believe that there were ways that NBC could have reported the contents of the tape, and thereby satisfied those who want to "fill in the gaps" without resorting to actually showing it. As I stated in another post, it was slapped up there only 7 hours after receiving the package. If nothing else, it was shoddy, lazy, sleazy journalism.

The situation yesterday, just two days after the shootings, was too raw to have shown the video. It was a rush by NBC to capture as much ratings as they could, pure and simple. That's the shameful thing here.

my2hands

Uncle Leo wrote:

You know when you are watching sports and suddenly the camera pans the stands or zooms in on a coach's face and the announcer says "there is a fan out on the field."

They stopped showing those fans because it was recognized that if a fan knows he's going to get shown for running onto the field, it is more likely that the fan will go. If the fan knows that they don't even put that shit on TV anymore, than perhaps it's not worth getting arrested just to do it in front of several thousand strangers.

Similarly, I suppose you certainly could argue that someone contemplating suicide could see this and say "fuck it" I'm going out in a blaze of glory and I'll get on TV for next few weeks."

pretty good analogy

thankyougrandma

I wonder if any other medias will now talk against those tapes being aired, this "debate" might be kept into your home, workplace and internet (blog, message board)...

thankyougrandma

Don't make murderers famous
Editorial - Thursday, April 19, 2007 @ 08:00

Why is it that our society turns mass murderers into celebrities?

The Virginia Tech shooting massacre, the worst in U.S. history, occurred Monday. By Wednesday, the shooter's photo and name were plastered across front pages of newspapers and websites around the world.

What about his 32 victims? Will their names become household words, their photos instantly recognizeable for years to come? Not likely. Why is it that, so many years after the Montreal Massacre on Dec.
6, 1989, so many of us still remember the name of Marc Lepine, but so few of us know the name of a single one of his 14 victims?

There is a demented subculture in our society, perpetuated on the Internet, that venerates the perpetrators of these mass killings. The Columbine killers in 1999 fed on this subculture. So did the perpetrator of the Dawson College shooting in Montreal last September. No doubt, so did the murderer in Virginia on Monday.

Mass killers who then commit suicide often seek a sick kind of celebrity. Society should deny them that.

In the age of instant media and the Internet, withholding names and photos of such killers entirely is neither practical nor possible. There's a legitimate public interest in knowing who, or what, is capable of such a crime.

But we can be responsible in how we present this information - and we should be. The mass-media obsession with stories about every aspect of the Virginia shooter's life, illustrated with splashy photos, is unseemly and degrading.

The Virginia shooter was a pathetic and twisted loser who took out his rage on dozens of innocents and caused untold pain in hundreds of lives.

He deserves to be forgotten, not famous.

http://www.owensoundsuntimes.com/webapp/sitepages/content.asp?contentid=492331&catname=Editorial&classif=

PJ_Saluki

rybes wrote:

Did you honestly expect any different from the media these days?

I completely agree with your post, but I am not shocked that they jumped all over it.

It's news, isn't it? What are they supposed to do, not run it? News organizations have a responsibility to report, even if the report is painful, and NBC's news division simply did its job. They handed the tapes over to the police and, after the cops finished their investigation, they played snippets of the tape. I don't see a problem with NBC's actions.

Ahnimus

I fail to see how televising this kid's words has anything to do with disrespecting the families. I think you all live in a distorted perception of reality.

josevolution

thankyougrandma wrote:

Don't make murderers famous
Editorial - Thursday, April 19, 2007 @ 08:00

Why is it that our society turns mass murderers into celebrities?

The Virginia Tech shooting massacre, the worst in U.S. history, occurred Monday. By Wednesday, the shooter's photo and name were plastered across front pages of newspapers and websites around the world.

What about his 32 victims? Will their names become household words, their photos instantly recognizeable for years to come? Not likely. Why is it that, so many years after the Montreal Massacre on Dec.
6, 1989, so many of us still remember the name of Marc Lepine, but so few of us know the name of a single one of his 14 victims?

There is a demented subculture in our society, perpetuated on the Internet, that venerates the perpetrators of these mass killings. The Columbine killers in 1999 fed on this subculture. So did the perpetrator of the Dawson College shooting in Montreal last September. No doubt, so did the murderer in Virginia on Monday.

Mass killers who then commit suicide often seek a sick kind of celebrity. Society should deny them that.

In the age of instant media and the Internet, withholding names and photos of such killers entirely is neither practical nor possible. There's a legitimate public interest in knowing who, or what, is capable of such a crime.

But we can be responsible in how we present this information - and we should be. The mass-media obsession with stories about every aspect of the Virginia shooter's life, illustrated with splashy photos, is unseemly and degrading.

The Virginia shooter was a pathetic and twisted loser who took out his rage on dozens of innocents and caused untold pain in hundreds of lives.

He deserves to be forgotten, not famous.

http://www.owensoundsuntimes.com/webapp/sitepages/content.asp?contentid=492331&catname=Editorial&classif=

thanks grandma ,people need to wake the fuck up ......fuck you BRIAN WILLIAMS .......

thankyougrandma

Ahnimus wrote:

I fail to see how televising this kid's words has anything to do with disrespecting the families. I think you all live in a distorted perception of reality.

there's much more than just disrespecting the families in all this... but only the family will say if they feel disrespected by this so that's probably why "you fail" to see how it is disrespectful, it's not to you or me to judge about this perception of reality. It seem like they felt disrespected, now what to say to them? Don't feel disrespected cause Anhimus said so?