If these fucking terrorists trying to blow up planes in the UK mean i can't fly to Du

dunkman

sliverstain wrote:

Why not, son? The Nazis dehumanised a race (slavs) in order to sell the idea to their public that invading and taking their lands (read; resources) was a natural, honest, moral thing to do.

The US/Uk are dehumanising the Muslim world and painting them as extremists, fanatics, etc etc, in order to justify the invasion of Afghanistan / Iraq, and soon to be Iran and Syria, through using the dehumanising tool of linking Hezbollah to Syria, so the peoples of our countries will believe it right and proper to invade and oppress, all over again.

Nazis invaded countries and oppressed their peoples. US/Uk invade countries and oppress their peoples.

Ok, granted things are not yet as obviously totalitarian as they were in 1941 Reich, but we're getting there. We're probably at about 1935 right now.

dude the X-files isnt real, you know that?

the US and UK aren't dehumanising the Muslim world at all... ... dehumanising???

and we aren't painting them as extremist or fanatics... the fanatics and extremists are doing a very good self portrait... we dont need to add any more paint to the palette


as for the Nazi comparisons... c'mon man... have we had any bans or Perspexnachts yet? are we out on the streets burning the koran and other such 'books'... in 1935 Hitler was already ordering his thug henchmen to attack Jewish properties.... do you think that Blair is siting there ordering the BNP skinheads to attack cornershops?

we need to keep a realisic viewpoint on this... comparing my country to Nazi germany isnt going to hold much water.

ladygooddiva

sliverstain wrote:

You're right, it has to do with imperialism and profit.

Islam, the way of life of Islam, is merely in the way of those profits.

what you can´t say this .this is really not true ...

ladygooddiva

sliverstain wrote:

So, German troops, and US troops, and Uk troops, are occupying an Islamic country, and Islamic people are not allowed to strike back?

If you were occupied, shot at, herded, exploited, driven into poverty by a nation based thousands of miles away, what would you do?

I'd fight back. I'd send as bloody a message as possible to those oppressing me.

i didn´t say so but german troops are mostley in the countries to help etc. and if they strike it´s bec. their lives is in danger that´s the diffrent between the us and uk troups ...
and iraq and afghansistan are diffrent in what has happen now ok...

Derrick

Hey guys,

The United States government committed the two single largest acts of terrorism in the history of the world. They killed 150,000 civilians with two atomic bombs. This was in response to a military attack on Pearl Harbour (ie. not civilians). 3000 dead in the WTC towers is only a small fraction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

So, when you are talking about terrorists and acts of terrorism, you must include the United States. Their hands are not clean.

ladygooddiva

dunkman1974 wrote:

dude the X-files isnt real, you know that?

the US and UK aren't dehumanising the Muslim world at all... ... dehumanising???

and we aren't painting them as extremist or fanatics... the fanatics and extremists are doing a very good self portrait... we dont need to add any more paint to the palette


as for the Nazi comparisons... c'mon man... have we had any bans or Perspexnachts yet? are we out on the streets burning the koran and other such 'books'... in 1935 Hitler was already ordering his thug henchmen to attack Jewish properties.... do you think that Blair is siting there ordering the BNP skinheads to attack cornershops?

we need to keep a realisic viewpoint on this... comparing my country to Nazi germany isnt going to hold much water.

and by the way this terrorist have nothing to do with the koran if they read this they wouldn´t do what they do
and we don´t have a nazi germany ..it´s germany thanx

sliverstain

ladygooddiva wrote:

i didn´t say so but german troops are mostley in the countries to help etc. and if they strike it´s bec. their lives is in danger that´s the diffrent between the us and uk troups ...
and iraq and afghansistan are diffrent in what has happen now ok...

To help a country, you send food, not guns, you send doctors, not soldiers, you send total debt relief, not Anglo-American multinational construction companies, you send teachers and teaching aids, not pipeline experts and engineers.

ladygooddiva

sliverstain wrote:

To help a country, you send food, not guns, you send doctors, not soldiers, you send total debt relief, not Anglo-American multinational construction companies, you send teachers and teaching aids, not pipeline experts and engineers.

we send food doctors the german red cross etc. and soldiers bec. many of them are there for protecting and also allocate food etc.

and by the way maybe you should bref very well and think before you right bec. i know that german soldiers are just allowed to shoot when they are in danger
and in this situations where they are it´s arcent that there are soldies and anyways they are teaching and some of them are nurses and doctors...

sliverstain

dunkman1974 wrote:

never said it was or wasnt gonna hurt us working class folks... i just said that the "false" alerts you propose are happening are causing the profits and monetary stability of companies and our tourism income to be hurt... my point is:- in what way would our government raising a false alarm such as this be profitable financially...?? which is what you were implying earlier

tourism profits in 2002 for England only were £75billion... thats quite a sum


I can see how you are adding it up... it just doesnt fit with my viewpoint.. i dont do conspiracy theories... certainly ones in which a govt blows up its own citizens....

Hey man i didnt say governments were blowing their own people up, im not in the old 911 was by the Govt party yet! I am merely saying they are blowing up the IMPLIED THREAT of a terrorist attack in order to either 1) distract from the destrction on Lebanon, the mess in Iraq, and 2) to further convince the electorate that war in the middle east, and further war with Iran / Syria, is a morally justified adventure.

Its not a conspiracy theory. Look at the relationship of this war on terror bollocks to the companies who have profited from Iraq and Afghanistan. Then look at the undoubtable, physically proven links between those at the heads of those companies and the heads of our governments. Its a revolving fucking door!!!

And the profits from tourism are very much hidden and non quantifiable as a single figure, and dissipated through the country, to small businesses, to small hotels. They do not directly benfit the multi nationals who now control Government through task forces, advisory boards, and lobbying. But, you take that money gained through taxation, chanel it through the military, spend it on bombs, guns, planes, and the rebuilding of infrastructure destroyed by those bombs, you give the money to the multinationals eventually.

And at the same time you ratchet up the price of oil through 1) fear of dwindling supplies or 2) controlling the suplly to the world at the source. You keep the price up by keeping the Oil in the ground.

These alerts are the governments response to the hiding they took for going to war with Iraq on a lie. They need more, substantial reasoning to start the next wave of war. Iran and Syria.

I could go on chief, and it's a nig greay area and all that, but there is so much more than meets the eye. Like transformers!!

ladygooddiva

Derrick wrote:

Hey guys,

The United States government committed the two single largest acts of terrorism in the history of the world. They killed 150,000 civilians with two atomic bombs. This was in response to a military attack on Pearl Harbour (ie. not civilians). 3000 dead in the WTC towers is only a small fraction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

So, when you are talking about terrorists and acts of terrorism, you must include the United States. Their hands are not clean.

yes and the world should never forget .the same is with my countrys bad history. but we are now new generations and we have nothing to do with that what has happened ! we should remember and never forget but we shouldn´t be punished for that .
see i don´t want anybody to be killed or punished bec. of his religion,colour or anything like that .i am peacefull ....but this terrorist they aren´t
and this is now since 2001 a new kind of war/terror

dunkman

ladygooddiva wrote:

and by the way this terrorist have nothing to do with the koran if they read this they wouldn´t do what they do
and we don´t have a nazi germany ..it´s germany thanx

i think you've picked me up wrong... i'll save my fingers the labourious depressing of keys and wont try and explain it to you any simpler... thanks

dunkman

sliverstain wrote:

Hey man i didnt say governments were blowing their own people up, im not in the old 911 was by the Govt party yet! I am merely saying they are blowing up the IMPLIED THREAT of a terrorist attack in order to either 1) distract from the destrction on Lebanon, the mess in Iraq, and 2) to further convince the electorate that war in the middle east, and further war with Iran / Syria, is a morally justified adventure.

Its not a conspiracy theory. Look at the relationship of this war on terror bollocks to the companies who have profited from Iraq and Afghanistan. Then look at the undoubtable, physically proven links between those at the heads of those companies and the heads of our governments. Its a revolving fucking door!!!

And the profits from tourism are very much hidden and non quantifiable as a single figure, and dissipated through the country, to small businesses, to small hotels. They do not directly benfit the multi nationals who now control Government through task forces, advisory boards, and lobbying. But, you take that money gained through taxation, chanel it through the military, spend it on bombs, guns, planes, and the rebuilding of infrastructure destroyed by those bombs, you give the money to the multinationals eventually.

And at the same time you ratchet up the price of oil through 1) fear of dwindling supplies or 2) controlling the suplly to the world at the source. You keep the price up by keeping the Oil in the ground.

These alerts are the governments response to the hiding they took for going to war with Iraq on a lie. They need more, substantial reasoning to start the next wave of war. Iran and Syria.

I could go on chief, and it's a nig greay area and all that, but there is so much more than meets the eye. Like transformers!!

thats a very good post... especially the Transformers bit which i enjoyed most

ladygooddiva

dunkman1974 wrote:

i think you've picked me up wrong... i'll save my fingers the labourious depressing of keys and wont try and explain it to you any simpler... thanks

okey ....:)

Drew263

sliverstain wrote:

"IMPLIED THREAT of a terrorist attack"

holy fuck..

for the life of me I do not understand people like you.

1. how many terror attacks will it take?
2. how many times to the whacko clerics and people like Bin Laden have to warn of these attacks, will it take?
3. how much of the global intelligence on terrorism are you in on?

how much is it going to take before you wake up and realize that the whacko extreme islamist nutjobs want you dead? do you not listen to them? do you not listen to what they say? start with google and then work your way on...

now...spare me the "stop being blind" bullshit too....I saw 9/11..I saw what happened in London...I saw what happened in Spain...I saw what happened in '93 at the WTC...I could go on and on and on and on and on and on and on.....

but hey...it's all just made up. let's ignore it like before so more planes, tranes, cafes, buses, and grocery stores can blowup and everyday people can die some more. apparently....that's what you'd like.


job well done by the British I say! well done.

even flow?

Drew263 wrote:

holy fuck..

for the life of me I do not understand people like you.

1. how many terror attacks will it take?
2. how many times to the whacko clerics and people like Bin Laden have to warn of these attacks, will it take?
3. how much of the global intelligence on terrorism are you in on?

how much is it going to take before you wake up and realize that the whacko extreme islamist nutjobs want you dead? do you not listen to them? do you not listen to what they say? start with google and then work your way on...

now...spare me the "stop being blind" bullshit too....I saw 9/11..I saw what happened in London...I saw what happened in Spain...I saw what happened in '93 at the WTC...I could go on and on and on and on and on and on and on.....

but hey...it's all just made up. let's ignore it like before so more planes, tranes, cafes, buses, and grocery stores can blowup and everyday people can die some more. apparently....that's what you'd like.


job well done by the British I say! well done.

You live where? Ah yes, no wonder you dind't or couldn't counter the terrorism spin with the guise of spreading democracy. May hurt the ego or ease the fear!

sliverstain

Drew263 wrote:

holy fuck..

for the life of me I do not understand people like you.

1. how many terror attacks will it take?
2. how many times to the whacko clerics and people like Bin Laden have to warn of these attacks, will it take?
3. how much of the global intelligence on terrorism are you in on?

how much is it going to take before you wake up and realize that the whacko extreme islamist nutjobs want you dead? do you not listen to them? do you not listen to what they say? start with google and then work your way on...

now...spare me the "stop being blind" bullshit too....I saw 9/11..I saw what happened in London...I saw what happened in Spain...I saw what happened in '93 at the WTC...I could go on and on and on and on and on and on and on.....

but hey...it's all just made up. let's ignore it like before so more planes, tranes, cafes, buses, and grocery stores can blowup and everyday people can die some more. apparently....that's what you'd like.


job well done by the British I say! well done.

1) How many terror attacks have there been? 911? Mmmm. How many Saudis were arrested or investigated over that...and they were US funded non-practising Muslims...mmmm, got me there, bud.

2) Hey, wckos warn of attacks all the time. You never threaten to punch some guy because of how he was acting? The only ones who have acted are Bush and BLair. NOw they really mean business. When they attack, they fucking atack man!

3) Obviously not as much as you, oh shepherd of the wise.

And hey, you were at all those places? Wow, id keep that quiet if I were you.

The FBI may get on a roll and put 2 and 2 together and for once, not come up with five...


Oh and the bus thing...they were British citizens. And todays 'alleged' arrested, innocent until proven guilty and all that, I mean that is what democracy is for, isn't it? Or do we just summarily convict them?

Me, ill put my faith in a British jury to decide these mens fates.

Not CNN.

dunkman

sliverstain wrote:

Me, ill put my faith in a British jury to decide these mens fates.

Not CNN.

which will be guilty

Drew263

sliverstain wrote:

1) How many terror attacks have there been? 911? Mmmm. How many Saudis were arrested or investigated over that...and they were US funded non-practising Muslims...mmmm, got me there, bud.

2) Hey, wckos warn of attacks all the time. You never threaten to punch some guy because of how he was acting? The only ones who have acted are Bush and BLair. NOw they really mean business. When they attack, they fucking atack man!

3) Obviously not as much as you, oh shepherd of the wise.

And hey, you were at all those places? Wow, id keep that quiet if I were you.

The FBI may get on a roll and put 2 and 2 together and for once, not come up with five...


Oh and the bus thing...they were British citizens. And todays 'alleged' arrested, innocent until proven guilty and all that, I mean that is what democracy is for, isn't it? Or do we just summarily convict them?

Me, ill put my faith in a British jury to decide these mens fates.

Not CNN.

lol....the response I expected...they're all innocent..they're all innocent.

funny thing.....my Indian Hindu coworkers tell tales of muslim extremist hatred all the time..but hey, what do they know?? Right? They're only FROM THAT PART OF THE WORLD. Silly me....it's America's fault that they hate and kill Hindus also....

lol at CNN. didn't they do a puff article on Hezbollah's leader??? Figured that'd be right up your alley. What's it like being on the side of terrorists? On the side that hates everyone unlike them? What's it like?

Now...tell me again how it's the media that tells me that extremist muslims hate everyone unlike them and not the actual extremist muslims that say it and my coworkers that left that part of the world. I can't wait for the laugh....

Drew263

dunkman1974 wrote:

which will be guilty

I probably haven't agreed with you on political issues in the past..but let me just say this...

I sincerely hope you don't miss the gig and that your travels are safe.

ladygooddiva

they still have no idear who or wish terror group it was.They arrested ca 21 people asian as i heard.
and now is very high safty on the euopeans airport .
they want to fear and seems they have it now...
and this one has nothing to do with profit...

sliverstain

Drew263 wrote:

lol....the response I expected...they're all innocent..they're all innocent.

funny thing.....my Indian Hindu coworkers tell tales of muslim extremist hatred all the time..but hey, what do they know?? Right? They're only FROM THAT PART OF THE WORLD. Silly me....it's America's fault that they hate and kill Hindus also....

lol at CNN. didn't they do a puff article on Hezbollah's leader??? Figured that'd be right up your alley. What's it like being on the side of terrorists? On the side that hates everyone unlike them? What's it like?

Now...tell me again how it's the media that tells me that extremist muslims hate everyone unlike them and not the actual extremist muslims that say it and my coworkers that left that part of the world. I can't wait for the laugh....

ahha whats next? A statement from an Israeli crying over the suicide bombers of Gaza? Thats a laugh, bringing Muslims and Hindus into it...

SO lets run with that, hey.

Now, in this game, i know the answer, half a billion people know the answer, do you?

Which race, Hindu or Muslim, aims to eliminate all other independent religions (Jainism, Buddhism, Sikhism) and castes from Indian life?

Also, which is outnumbered nearly 6 to 1?

A clue. Hindu is not just a religion, its almost a nationality. Hence, it is an extension of fervent Indian Nationalism.

Please, next time you want to cross words with me, consult history and intellectual study. Not the guy sitting next to you.