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If these fucking terrorists trying to blow up planes in the UK mean i can't fly to Du
dunkman
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Dublin for the PJ gig!!!
.....i'm going to be so fucking mad at them... :mad:
i'll unleash my own frickin Gheehad... similar to a Jihad except i'll smother the fuckers to death with Indian clarified butter..
Lufthansa and others are cancelling ALL flights out of the UK.... BA reporting 4-5 hour delays...
aaaaarrrrrgggghhhhhh!!! fuckin nutjobs....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4778575.stm
.....i'm going to be so fucking mad at them... :mad:
i'll unleash my own frickin Gheehad... similar to a Jihad except i'll smother the fuckers to death with Indian clarified butter..
Lufthansa and others are cancelling ALL flights out of the UK.... BA reporting 4-5 hour delays...
aaaaarrrrrgggghhhhhh!!! fuckin nutjobs....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4778575.stm
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
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I just hope the boys can come over from the U.S!
listening to radio and watching BBC news online... i have just heard about all of that!!!!
everything has to go into a clear plastic bag and you're only allowed
hankies without the box
keys without electronic fob
travel documents
medicines
infuriating isnt it? these numbskulls causing chaos...
shit!!!! i hadnt even thought about them arriving... they are kinda fundamental in the whole gig equation
Is anybody seriously believing this shit about the planes?
Does anybody take these security 'reports' and 'threat levels' seriously?
Does anybody seriously think our security services are that fucking competent?
Does anybody hold respect for the words uttered by the same people who brought us "WMDs in Iraq", "Jean De Menezes." or "Mohammed Abdul Kahar"?
It's the boy who cried wolf, over and over again...
And its deflecting the masses from the destruction in Lebanon, and in Iraq.
It stinks lads, it really fucking stinks.
Do you know what paranoia is? Conspiracy theories?
yes
yes
you have a point there... but we did catch the other bombers last time before they could do their worst... maybe they have some good infiltration networks now... i personally feel relieved we foiled the planned attack.. how big or how calamatous this attack was to be we dont know yet... but yes i feel there was a genuine threat here!
Yes. It is what has been peddled tio the people of the western world (US-UK) since September 11th 2001 by the goverments of those nations.
Hey, geo read 1984 by George Orwell. He wrote about al this shit 60 years ago.
"Drilling for fear, makes the job simple."
Wake the fuck up.
Which other bombers? The guy with the shoe and a box of matches!
Or the chemical vest...or any of the other half dozen "foiled" attacks.
As an aside, from the other side so to speak, even if this is 100 % true (sic), do not forget that these are, as in 7/7, British citizens.
Makes you think.
short memory then buddy
July 21st london attacks
Hussain Osman, 27, charged with conspiracy to murder London Transport passengers, possessing an explosive substance and attempting to murder passengers. An Old Bailey judge set a provisional trial date of September 2006.
Ibrahim Muktar Said, 27, of Stoke Newington, London, charged with conspiracy to murder London Transport passengers, possessing an explosive substance and attempting to murder passengers. Due to face trial in September 2006.
Ramzi Mohamed, 24, of North Kensington, London, charged with conspiracy to murder London Transport passengers, possessing an explosive substance and attempting to murder passengers. Due to face trial in September 2006.
Yassin Hassan Omar, 24, of New Southgate, London, charged with conspiracy to murder London Transport passengers, possessing an explosive substance and attempting to murder passengers. Due to face trial in September 2006.
Manfo Kwaku Asiedu, 32, of Finsbury Park, London, charged with conspiracy to murder and conspiracy to cause explosions likely to endanger life or cause serious injury. Due to face trial in September 2006.
Adel Yahya, 23, of Tottenham, north London, charged with conspiracy to cause explosions. He was arrested on 20 December at Gatwick Airport after he arrived back from Ethiopia. He is due to appear at the Old Bailey on 6 January.
Siraj Yassin Abdullah Ali, 30, of New Southgate, London, charged with failing to disclose information that may help police investigating an act of terrorism. Also charged with assisting a suspect evade arrest. An Old Bailey judge said a trial was not expected before January 2007.
Wharbi Mohammed, 23, of Notting Hill, London, charged with failing to disclose information that may help police investigating an act of terrorism. Also charged with assisting a suspect in evading arrest. Trial not expected until 2007.
Asias Girma, 20, of Stockwell, London, charged with assisting a person or persons in evading arrest. Also charged with failing to disclose information that may help police investigating an act of terrorism. Trial not expected until 2007.
Ismael Abdurahman, 23, of Kennington, London, charged with failing to disclose information that may help police investigating an act of terrorism. Also charged with helping suspects to evade arrest. Trial not expected until 2007.
Shadi Sami Abdel Gadir, 23, of Brighton, charged with failing to disclose information that may help police investigating an act of terrorism. Also charged with helping a suspect to evade arrest. Trial not expected until 2007.
Omar Nagmeloin Almagboul, 20, of Brighton, charged with failing to disclose information that may help police investigating an act of terrorism. Further charged with helping a suspect evade arrest. Trial not expected until 2007.
Abdul Sharif, 28, of Stockwell, London, charged with failing to disclose information that may help police investigating an act of terrorism. Also charged with helping a suspect evade arrest. Trial not expected until 2007.
Mohamed Kabashi, 23, of no fixed abode, charged with failing to disclose information that may help police investigating an act of terrorism. Also charged with helping a suspect evade arrest. Trial not expected until 2007.
Yeshiemebet Girma, 29, of Stockwell, London - wife of bomb suspect Hussain Osman - charged with failing to disclose information that may help police investigating an act of terrorism. Also charged with helping a suspect to evade arrest. Trial not expected until 2007.
Mulumebet Girma, 21, of Stockwell, London - sister of Yeshiemebet Girma - charged with failing to disclose information that may help police investigating an act of terrorism. Also charged with helping a suspect to evade arrest. Trial not expected until 2007.
Muhedin Ali, 27, from west London, charged with having information which could have led to the prosecution of Hussain Osman. Also charged with knowing or believing that Hussain Osman had committed attempted murder, conspiracy to murder and other offences.
BUT. Innocent until proven guilty, no?
And hey, they were all British!!
Carpet Bomb North London!! Occupy Islington !!
I'm sorry, I thought in 1984 that there was no real enemy, it was all just made up as a means of subjugating the population. But that would mean that your analogy is wrong because we were ACTUALLY FUCKING ATTACKED on 9/11. Not to mention that Orwell was writing about Totalitarianism, specifically of the Russian Communist variety, which is what the West (US, UK, and allies) spent half a century fighting and defeating. And now totalitarianism is threatening the world again except in Muslim form, but you want to turn it around and say that we are the problem. Sorry guy, YOU are the problem. When are you going to wake up to reality? When planes start going down en masse like they could have if these terrorist weren't just stopped? When a city gets nuked? When you can't get on a bus without fearing for your life? When every time you walk into a cafe you think about where the best place is to sit so that you won't get your head blown off if a suicide bomber happens to walk in after you? FUCK!
sure innocent until proven guilty.... i was giving you the names of the people who were arrested by police.. which is what you asked for? i never suggested they were guilty... but i will now... they were going to kill people.. i couldnt give a fuck about their 'rights' of innocence... they were caught on camera with the fucking explosive devices, they were planning murder on a huge scale... fuck them
i never suggested they werent british either.. i never suggested bombing london, or occupying land we already occupy..
Who carried out 911 again?
Wasn't it, allegedly, non Islam practising Saudi nationals...
Hey, you keep on keep on rockin in your little boxes of fear.
And Orwell wasn't just addressing Communism, and why would he, given he was the perhaps the most vociferous of Socialists.
If you do not think the US is a totalitarian state, think again.
totalitarianism
Form of government that subordinates all aspects of its citizens' lives to the authority of the state, with a single charismatic leader as the ultimate authority. The term was coined in the early 1920s by Benito Mussolini, but totalitarianism has existed throughout history throughout the world (e.g., Qin dynasty China). It is distinguished from dictatorship and authoritarianism by its supplanting of all political institutions and all old legal and social traditions with new ones to meet the state's needs, which are usually highly focused. Large-scale, organized violence may be legitimized. The police operate without the constraint of laws and regulations. Where pursuit of the state's goal is the only ideological foundation for such a government, achievement of the goal can never be acknowledged. Hannah Arendt's Origins of Totalitarianism (1951) is the standard work on the subject.
"Islam" is your Rothstein, your Eurasia, your Oceania. Is your new communism. Why is that Americans are only defined by their 'enemies'?
Airstrip One, over and out.
Yes the whole goverment have made the whole thing up because thay have nothing better to than disrupt peoples lives, cause unrest between faiths and scare the shit out of the gulible, all to perpetuate the 'War on Terror'
You sir are an idiot. Have you not learn't anything over the past few years, there is every chance that the UK and USA are going to be on the recieving end of terrorist attacks. 9/11 and 7/7 were not just token gestures of these fundamentalist ideas.
Conpiracy theorists have there place, we cannot just lie down and accept the information given to us all the time, but there is a real threat out there, its a huge reality.
Astoria 2006
*Astoria Crew*
Dublin 23/08/06 - best gig ever!
i'm nit-picking i know... but it wasnt as many as that... doesnt detract from what you are saying but we have to remember that people of all nationalities died that day... including more Britons than actually died in the London tube bombings on 7/7
i've used the ferry before to go to Belfast a few times.... 'tis indeed a grand thing.
you've sold me on the Kevin Barry songs and the gummy strangers... ferry it is then
They have blackjack tables, but with different rules. Lost a pretty dolalr or three on that short trip.
As for the calm, sane fellow from above who called me an idiot, hey, thanks for the constructive advice.
People like me exist to stop people like you losing your freedoms, and to stop the people you idolise from raping whats left of this planet and its peoples.
I mean, come on, you're all scared now like little sheep because the crooks at Scotland Yard say some Muslims may have tried to blow a plane up. NO evidence, nothing concrete, nothing that would stand up in a court of law, and you fall for it every friggin time man
What a crock of $hit. I give it 18 months before they find excuses to start interring and arresting Muslims for the sake of it.
Remember what happened to Japanese Americans in WW2?
Muslims are the new Jews, and we, this government and the British, are the new Nazis.
And yeah, go and read the Qu'ran. You may not need a gun in your face to convert.
Peace.
Edit for my post above. I meant Goldstein, not Rothstein.
"The social atmosphere is that of a besieged city.. And at the same time the consciousness of being at war, and therefore in danger, makes the handing-over of all power to a small caste seem the natural, unavoidable condition of survival."
"It does not matter whether the war is actually happening, and, since no decisive victory is possible, it does not matter whether the war is going badly. All that is needed is that a state of war should exist."
"In his capacity as an administrator, it is often necessary for a member of the Inner Party to know that this or that item of war news is untruthful, and he may be aware that the entire war is spurious and is either not happening or is being waged for purposes quite other than the declared ones: but such knowledge is easily neutralized by the technique of doublethink. Meanwhile no Inner Party member wavers for an instant in his mystical belief that the war is real, and that it is bound to end victoriously, with Oceania the undisputed master of the entire world."
"War prisoners apart, the average citizen of Oceania never sets eyes on a citizen of either Eurasia or Eastasia, and he is forbidden the knowledge of foreign languages. If he were allowed contact with foreigners he would discover that they are creatures similar to himself and that most of what he has been told about them is lies."
"Wherever he may be, asleep or awake, working or resting, in his bath or in his bed, he can be inspected without warning and without knowing that he is being inspected."
"Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity."
"The mutability of the past is the central tenet of Ingsoc. Past events, it is argued, have no objective existence, but survive only in written records and in human memories. The past is whatever the records and the memories agree upon. And since the Party is in full control of all records and in equally full control of the minds of its members, it follows that the past is whatever the Party chooses to make it. It also follows that though the past is alterable, it has never been altered in any specific instance. For when it has been recreated in whatever shape is needed at the moment, then this new version is the past, and no different past has ever existed."
"The essential act of the Party is to use conscious deception while retaining the firmness of purpose that goes with complete honesty. To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies, all this is indispensibly necessary."
First, 2 words; Habeas Corpus.
Second, I know exactly where my enemies are. My enemies want to listen to my phone calls. They want to pass an act in congress that will see me forcibly drafted into military service. They want to take away what is left of my right to adequate healthcare and education. They want me to work longer, for less pay, and then to pay my hard earned dollars to them in order for them to take a slice before passing it to their friends at Carlyle, Bechtel, Helliburton, McDonnell Douglas, Boeing, etc etc. THey want my friends and family to inform their secret, unaccoutable police force if I have any ideas or thoughts that differ from their prescribed view of the world. My enemies want to limit me, my children and their children's right to clean air and drinking water in the name of profit and 'the econmomy'. My enemies have no repsect for the black people of this country, or for anybody who does not want to live by the thousands of rules they wish to impose upon me and ours.
My enemies allowed thousands to die in an American city one year ago, and left 250,000 homeless. 100,000 still are homless. My enemies want to drive the poor of the world, the majority, into even further poverty by those things they create call "Structural Adjustment Programmes", devised and deliveed by the IMF and the WOrld Bank, extensions of the Federal Reserve, a private consortium of privately owned banks.
My enemies are in Washington DC.
You are welcome
You are my hero.
Listen bud, I work for the 'authorities' and have been involed ( to a small degree) in issues relating to counter-terrorist measures and investigations into detering terroist behaviour. There is a clear threat and there is a huge a ongoing operation into infiltrating those who set about to kill people in the name of their beliefs. Armed with the knowledge I have, I genuinely believe that people working in these operations have averted a possible major event, on a level with the London Tube Bombing maybe bigger.
Although (as stated earlier) I don't always believe what I am told and feel 'Conspiracy nuts' have there place in promoting a 'don't believe everything you hear' attitude, (especially when the information is twisted by the media), I feel sad that you simply refuse to believe anything about this situation is genuine, that you cannot trust that Hundreds of people employed by the authorities go to work everyday in the interests of protecting millions of people from horrendous attacks. The special Branch office of Scotland yard isn't an empty office where two people cook up conspiracies to help drive the agendas of some poncey politician, I'd like to think that all the professionals involved have more integrity than that.
Astoria 2006
*Astoria Crew*
Dublin 23/08/06 - best gig ever!
now everthing is really scary
and it seems that the MI5 know about this since months
and it seems the whole european secret services worked together since months ...
and if it is really like what some media expected it could be that pearl jam may cancel the whole european tour ....
come on air berlin for example canceled their whole great britain flights ....
maybe the secret services knows a lot more...
no handbacked are allowed anymore ....
etc...
We'll have to do a whiparound, and hire PJ a private jet.
what means whiparound?
and i can´t hre pj a private jet...
but anyways i hope and pray that everthing will be allright for everyone over there ...and lets hope that the whole secret services over the world work good and don´t make mistakes...
you know people i hear you all and i say you have to read the news with a pinch of salt !
Rich. we better start saving
Dunk looks like ferrys for us !
Astoria,Dublin,Reading 06,Wembley 07,Sheapards Bush & o2 09 thats multiple Jamgasms!
sorry what???
Hey, good luck to you in your work and all that, but where is this real threat?
How many convictions have there been since this war on terror began?
How many lives have been lost in Afghanistan and Iraq for this war on terror of yours?
How many billions of dollars and pounds have been spent on armaments, investigations, on the destruction of Muslim people for this worldwide long war on terror of yours?
If this is about protecting the people from death, from injury, Why not go investigate the corporations who pollute the world, who intentionally starve the poor south? Or maybe, off the top of my head, stop every fucker driving cars because, you know, thats a real, serious threat to my life, or drunk drivers, you know go and ban all alcohol.
Or maybe, you know, in th ename of protecting people's lives, go and investigate the bastards that cause all this.
I trust youve heard of where Downing Street is?
And maybe, just fucking maybe, Bud, you and the people you work with could just, for once, go and talk to the people you feel are threatening us so, and see WHY they are doing it, and WHAT can be done to stop them doing it.
But no, that would not be good for profit, would it, sir?
That would not be good for the Anglo-American Empire, would it?
as in not taking it too literaly or seriously
Astoria,Dublin,Reading 06,Wembley 07,Sheapards Bush & o2 09 thats multiple Jamgasms!
oh the irony in this is almost too much!!