Christmas Trees on government property are unconstitutional

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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Fiece resistance?? Where's the "fierce resistance" against Muhammed being in the Suprement Court? Where's the "fierce resistance" against public celebrations of Ramadan? Where's the "fiece resistance" against menorahs in public places? The only fierce resistance I see is that against Christian symbols.

    Just read the Swearing on the Quran thread and others like it claiming Islam to be a religion of violence and hate.

    farfromglorified wrote:
    The best way to religious freedom is to ban religious expression in public spaces? Gotcha.

    Good because I was starting to think you thought the only ones who have this freedom were the majority. That's not what the Constitution states.

    farfromglorified wrote:
    First, the logic you and many of your counterparts subscribe to deem that the only rights a person have are based on majority choice. So I fail to see the consistency here.

    The Constitution is the difference because they were able to forsee this as being a problem. It is repressive to only represnt the religion of the majority. I'm sorry the Constitution doesn't guarantee you're freedom to not pay taxes.
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Secondly, I don't understand why you keep equating "freedom" with what these people see others doing? Do your posts violate my freedom, just because I don't share your perspective? Do my posts violate yours?

    This forum is not paid for by tax dollars and is not owned by the govt.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

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    -Oscar Wilde
  • WMA
    WMA Posts: 175
    farfromglorified wrote:
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    Yes, there is. Which in turn you're violating by telling people what they can or can't say.


    When you are talking about taxpayer funded property, it isn't talking about 'people', it is government.

    It is government property, and the government can't promote a religion.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Because we worship Santa Claus, not Jesus Christ. Christmas doesn't mean anything religious for 99% of people in this day and age. It means getting together with friends and family and sharing food and drink and gifts.

    You're way off there. I think it means something religious to a much higher percentage than that.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    RainDog wrote:
    I've never seen a pot-head arguing for a coked up nation.

    Exactly. So why do you legislate not having symbols and use reasoning about not wanting laws that establish Christianity? We already have the constitution which bans those laws - but not the symbols. In my opinion, the fact that we disallow the Christian symbols is MORE unconstitutional than the fact that they are there.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    know1 wrote:
    This is a perfect example of tolerance not existing.

    Yes, that's right. I'm intolerant when all I want is equal representation and no religious beliefs forced on me by laws.


    Now go away and wait for ffg to post something you can say 'Exactly' or 'Bingo' to.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    Ok - how about this, then.

    Why do we have the Christmas trees at the government buildings, but no symbols from the other religions or groups who celebrate a holiday at this time of year?
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    know1 wrote:
    You're way off there. I think it means something religious to a much higher percentage than that.


    And it really shows!
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    know1 wrote:
    Ok - how about this, then.

    Why do we have the Christmas trees at the government buildings, but no symbols from the other religions or groups who celebrate a holiday at this time of year?

    Because the Christmas tree is likeable and can also be secular.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    know1 wrote:
    Exactly. So why do you legislate not having symbols and use reasoning about not wanting laws that establish Christianity? We already have the constitution which bans those laws - but not the symbols. In my opinion, the fact that we disallow the Christian symbols is MORE unconstitutional than the fact that they are there.

    well, this great country allows you to adorn your home and property with all the symbols you want....why do I have to see then at the courthouse, or any other government building...?

    do you think private business should display christian symbols...? are you upset that Walmart does have a huge cross hanging from the rafters...?
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    RainDog wrote:
    Have you ever picked up on the condesending nature of your posts?

    Yes.
    You're not the board's elementary school teacher, you know.

    I do know that.
    Not true. People can say whatever they want, I won't stop them.

    I'd like to say "I love Jesus" on a plaque in my courtroom. How do you feel about that?
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    know1 wrote:
    Exactly. So why do you legislate not having symbols and use reasoning about not wanting laws that establish Christianity? We already have the constitution which bans those laws - but not the symbols. In my opinion, the fact that we disallow the Christian symbols is MORE unconstitutional than the fact that they are there.
    No one's disallowing Christian symbols. They simply do not want government endorsement of one religion over all others.

    And this isn't an even comparison. I do hear those pushing for more religious symbols in public places espouse the idea that we are a Christian nation.
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    farfromglorified wrote:


    I'd like to say "I love Jesus" on a plaque in my courtroom. How do you feel about that?

    if you have a courtroom in your home, I would fully support it...!!!
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    farfromglorified wrote:
    I'd like to say "I love Jesus" on a plaque in my courtroom. How do you feel about that?
    Pretty bad, considering it wouldn't be "your" courtroom.

    Judges often make the same mistake, though.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    WMA wrote:
    When you are talking about taxpayer funded property, it isn't talking about 'people', it is government.

    Umm...if were weren't talking about people there'd be no issue. "Government" can't build a nativity scene or a red crescent. People do those things.
    It is government property, and the government can't promote a religion.

    It isn't promoting anything. Something, by its mere existence, is not a "promotion".
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    RainDog wrote:
    Pretty bad, considering it wouldn't be "your" courtroom.

    But is it not the consensus here that those courtrooms belong to us all? Is that not what I'm hearing? Or do they only belong to those strong enough to enforce their will upon them?
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Yes, that's right. I'm intolerant when all I want is equal representation and no religious beliefs forced on me by laws.


    Now go away and wait for ffg to post something you can say 'Exactly' or 'Bingo' to.

    Again, how is a symbol a law?

    I have no problem with any symbols being displayed at government buildings, but you have a problem with Christian ones.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    inmytree wrote:
    if you have a courtroom in your home, I would fully support it...!!!

    Are you sure? Because when you tell me I have no right to do it in a courtroom, on what grounds do I have a right to do it in my home?
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    farfromglorified wrote:
    But is it not the consensus here that those courtrooms belong to us all? Is that not what I'm hearing?
    Courtrooms are places where justice (however you define it) is meant to be dealt out. They don't really "belong" to anyone specific.
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Or do they only belong to those strong enough to enforce their will upon them?
    Ironic statement, considering.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    know1 wrote:
    Again, how is a symbol a law?

    I have no problem with any symbols being displayed at government buildings, but you have a problem with Christian ones.

    Because one symbol shouldn't be represented by the govt that represents us all.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Are you sure? Because when you tell me I have no right to do it in a courtroom, on what grounds do I have a right to do it in my home?

    um....

    a....

    oookk...

    perhaps I missed something...anyhoo...if you want to display a sign in your home saying "I love jesus, he's my buddy"...I think that would be ok...heck, you could wallpaper your walls with pages from the bible for all I care...

    key phrase: your home....

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