And you know as well as I do that they would be met with fierce resistance. That's why it's best to leave them all out the way we are doing now. Go ahead and pretend all day that such tolerence exists. But I know it doesn't. There is freedom of religion not just freedom of religion for the majority.
This is a perfect example of tolerance not existing.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
You have every right to display whatever symbols you want. The government, however, does not it seems. And here I thought you were all for limiting government expression.
I'm for limiting force, not expression.
Yes it does. Especially when you consider that they have every right to do just that. My question is, why does it have to involve our public (I know how much you hate that word) institutions? Seems they're trying to make a point about who's welcome and who isn't.
Be fair. It's pretty silly to suggest that those who believe it's ok that a nativity scene or Islamic crescent appear in a public space is "making a point about who's welcome and who isn't". You're basing that on nothing more than a form of xenophobia, which is really what you should be fighting, not endorsing.
Be fair. It's pretty silly to suggest that those who believe it's ok that a nativity scene or Islamic crescent appear in a public space is "making a point about who's welcome and who isn't". You're basing that on nothing more than a form of xenophobia, which is really what you should be fighting, not endorsing.
It's also pretty silly to think that there isn't a conserted effort by the Christian right to establish Christianity as the only acceptable religion in the United States.
It's also pretty silly to think that there isn't a conserted effort by the Christian right to establish Christianity as the only acceptable religion in the United States.
I don't see that as all. If so, there would be laws banning the other religions and even I, as a Christian, would be against that.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
It's also pretty silly to think that there isn't a conserted effort by the Christian right to establish Christianity as the only acceptable religion in the United States.
I was. That's the same tree that people say is a PAGAN symbol. Paganism is a religion, right?
I'm beginning to think this is more about you not being able to accept that the tree was indeed a pagan symbol and Christian took that symbol into their religion.
I'm beginning to think this is more about you not being able to accept that the tree was indeed a pagan symbol and Christian took that symbol into their religion.
It's mostly about the hypocrisy of banning Christian religious symbols from government buildings but allowing others.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
My point is, it's definitely a religious symbol - whether pagan or Christian, so why do we turn a blind eye to it when we raise such a stink about other symbols?
Because we worship Santa Claus, not Jesus Christ. Christmas doesn't mean anything religious for 99% of people in this day and age. It means getting together with friends and family and sharing food and drink and gifts.
Fiece resistance?? Where's the "fierce resistance" against Muhammed being in the Suprement Court? Where's the "fierce resistance" against public celebrations of Ramadan? Where's the "fiece resistance" against menorahs in public places? The only fierce resistance I see is that against Christian symbols.
Just read the Swearing on the Quran thread and others like it claiming Islam to be a religion of violence and hate.
First, the logic you and many of your counterparts subscribe to deem that the only rights a person have are based on majority choice. So I fail to see the consistency here.
The Constitution is the difference because they were able to forsee this as being a problem. It is repressive to only represnt the religion of the majority. I'm sorry the Constitution doesn't guarantee you're freedom to not pay taxes.
Secondly, I don't understand why you keep equating "freedom" with what these people see others doing? Do your posts violate my freedom, just because I don't share your perspective? Do my posts violate yours?
This forum is not paid for by tax dollars and is not owned by the govt.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Because we worship Santa Claus, not Jesus Christ. Christmas doesn't mean anything religious for 99% of people in this day and age. It means getting together with friends and family and sharing food and drink and gifts.
You're way off there. I think it means something religious to a much higher percentage than that.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I've never seen a pot-head arguing for a coked up nation.
Exactly. So why do you legislate not having symbols and use reasoning about not wanting laws that establish Christianity? We already have the constitution which bans those laws - but not the symbols. In my opinion, the fact that we disallow the Christian symbols is MORE unconstitutional than the fact that they are there.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Why do we have the Christmas trees at the government buildings, but no symbols from the other religions or groups who celebrate a holiday at this time of year?
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Why do we have the Christmas trees at the government buildings, but no symbols from the other religions or groups who celebrate a holiday at this time of year?
Because the Christmas tree is likeable and can also be secular.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Exactly. So why do you legislate not having symbols and use reasoning about not wanting laws that establish Christianity? We already have the constitution which bans those laws - but not the symbols. In my opinion, the fact that we disallow the Christian symbols is MORE unconstitutional than the fact that they are there.
well, this great country allows you to adorn your home and property with all the symbols you want....why do I have to see then at the courthouse, or any other government building...?
do you think private business should display christian symbols...? are you upset that Walmart does have a huge cross hanging from the rafters...?
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This is a perfect example of tolerance not existing.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
No - the tree that the Pagans and others claim is not a Christian religious symbol. Or...the one that the Muslims do NOT endorse.
You can look at it however you please.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
well, all the pagans I know are trying to take over the world, and christmas trees are only the beginning...
it's well known that pagans hate freedom and our way of life...
DOWN WITH THE TREE....and Santa, too...!!!!
I'm for limiting force, not expression.
Be fair. It's pretty silly to suggest that those who believe it's ok that a nativity scene or Islamic crescent appear in a public space is "making a point about who's welcome and who isn't". You're basing that on nothing more than a form of xenophobia, which is really what you should be fighting, not endorsing.
I was. That's the same tree that people say is a PAGAN symbol. Paganism is a religion, right?
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I don't see that as all. If so, there would be laws banning the other religions and even I, as a Christian, would be against that.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Ok. Let's try this approach:
Why is the above bad?
I'm beginning to think this is more about you not being able to accept that the tree was indeed a pagan symbol and Christian took that symbol into their religion.
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It's mostly about the hypocrisy of banning Christian religious symbols from government buildings but allowing others.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
There's also that pesky First Amendment thing.
That has nothing to do with symbols, though.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Kind of like the pot as a gateway drug reasoning, huh?
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Good. Now, why don't you want that society?
Yes, there is. Which in turn you're violating by telling people what they can or can't say.
If they allow others I think they should allow Christian ones as well, it's as simple as that.
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Because we worship Santa Claus, not Jesus Christ. Christmas doesn't mean anything religious for 99% of people in this day and age. It means getting together with friends and family and sharing food and drink and gifts.
Not true. People can say whatever they want, I won't stop them.
Just read the Swearing on the Quran thread and others like it claiming Islam to be a religion of violence and hate.
Good because I was starting to think you thought the only ones who have this freedom were the majority. That's not what the Constitution states.
The Constitution is the difference because they were able to forsee this as being a problem. It is repressive to only represnt the religion of the majority. I'm sorry the Constitution doesn't guarantee you're freedom to not pay taxes.
This forum is not paid for by tax dollars and is not owned by the govt.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
When you are talking about taxpayer funded property, it isn't talking about 'people', it is government.
It is government property, and the government can't promote a religion.
You're way off there. I think it means something religious to a much higher percentage than that.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Exactly. So why do you legislate not having symbols and use reasoning about not wanting laws that establish Christianity? We already have the constitution which bans those laws - but not the symbols. In my opinion, the fact that we disallow the Christian symbols is MORE unconstitutional than the fact that they are there.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Yes, that's right. I'm intolerant when all I want is equal representation and no religious beliefs forced on me by laws.
Now go away and wait for ffg to post something you can say 'Exactly' or 'Bingo' to.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Why do we have the Christmas trees at the government buildings, but no symbols from the other religions or groups who celebrate a holiday at this time of year?
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
And it really shows!
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Because the Christmas tree is likeable and can also be secular.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
well, this great country allows you to adorn your home and property with all the symbols you want....why do I have to see then at the courthouse, or any other government building...?
do you think private business should display christian symbols...? are you upset that Walmart does have a huge cross hanging from the rafters...?
Yes.
I do know that.
I'd like to say "I love Jesus" on a plaque in my courtroom. How do you feel about that?