Christmas Trees on government property are unconstitutional

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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    And you know as well as I do that they would be met with fierce resistance. That's why it's best to leave them all out the way we are doing now. Go ahead and pretend all day that such tolerence exists. But I know it doesn't. There is freedom of religion not just freedom of religion for the majority.

    This is a perfect example of tolerance not existing.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    RainDog wrote:
    Which tree is that? The one the Christians endorse?

    No - the tree that the Pagans and others claim is not a Christian religious symbol. Or...the one that the Muslims do NOT endorse.

    You can look at it however you please.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    know1 wrote:
    Or why do the Pagans need to have their tree displayed on public property?

    well, all the pagans I know are trying to take over the world, and christmas trees are only the beginning...

    it's well known that pagans hate freedom and our way of life...

    DOWN WITH THE TREE....and Santa, too...!!!!
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    know1 wrote:
    No - the tree that the Pagans and others claim is not a religious symbol.
    Oh. Here I thought you were talking about those decorated pine trees I see everywhere.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    RainDog wrote:
    You have every right to display whatever symbols you want. The government, however, does not it seems. And here I thought you were all for limiting government expression.

    I'm for limiting force, not expression.
    Yes it does. Especially when you consider that they have every right to do just that. My question is, why does it have to involve our public (I know how much you hate that word) institutions? Seems they're trying to make a point about who's welcome and who isn't.

    Be fair. It's pretty silly to suggest that those who believe it's ok that a nativity scene or Islamic crescent appear in a public space is "making a point about who's welcome and who isn't". You're basing that on nothing more than a form of xenophobia, which is really what you should be fighting, not endorsing.
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    farfromglorified wrote:
    I'm for limiting force, not expression.



    Be fair. It's pretty silly to suggest that those who believe it's ok that a nativity scene or Islamic crescent appear in a public space is "making a point about who's welcome and who isn't". You're basing that on nothing more than a form of xenophobia, which is really what you should be fighting, not endorsing.
    It's also pretty silly to think that there isn't a conserted effort by the Christian right to establish Christianity as the only acceptable religion in the United States.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    RainDog wrote:
    Oh. Here I thought you were talking about those decorated pine trees I see everywhere.

    I was. That's the same tree that people say is a PAGAN symbol. Paganism is a religion, right?
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    RainDog wrote:
    It's also pretty silly to think that there isn't a conserted effort by the Christian right to establish Christianity as the only acceptable religion in the United States.

    I don't see that as all. If so, there would be laws banning the other religions and even I, as a Christian, would be against that.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    RainDog wrote:
    It's also pretty silly to think that there isn't a conserted effort by the Christian right to establish Christianity as the only acceptable religion in the United States.

    Ok. Let's try this approach:

    Why is the above bad?
  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    know1 wrote:
    I was. That's the same tree that people say is a PAGAN symbol. Paganism is a religion, right?

    I'm beginning to think this is more about you not being able to accept that the tree was indeed a pagan symbol and Christian took that symbol into their religion.
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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    Collin wrote:
    I'm beginning to think this is more about you not being able to accept that the tree was indeed a pagan symbol and Christian took that symbol into their religion.

    It's mostly about the hypocrisy of banning Christian religious symbols from government buildings but allowing others.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Ok. Let's try this approach:

    Why is the above bad?
    Because I've read the Bible, and I don't want a society that uses the Old Testament as a basis for policy and judicial decisions.

    There's also that pesky First Amendment thing.
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    know1 wrote:
    I don't see that as all. If so, there would be laws banning the other religions and even I, as a Christian, would be against that.
    The laws come if they succeed. Religious symbology is just one of the opening battles.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    RainDog wrote:
    Because I've read the Bible, and I don't want a society that uses the Old Testament as a basis for policy and judicial decisions.

    There's also that pesky First Amendment thing.

    That has nothing to do with symbols, though.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    RainDog wrote:
    The laws come if they succeed. Religious symbology is just one of the opening battles.

    Kind of like the pot as a gateway drug reasoning, huh?
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    RainDog wrote:
    Because I've read the Bible, and I don't want a society that uses the Old Testament as a basis for policy and judicial decisions.

    Good. Now, why don't you want that society?
    There's also that pesky First Amendment thing.

    Yes, there is. Which in turn you're violating by telling people what they can or can't say.
  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    know1 wrote:
    It's mostly about the hypocrisy of banning Christian religious symbols from government buildings but allowing others.

    If they allow others I think they should allow Christian ones as well, it's as simple as that.
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    know1 wrote:
    My point is, it's definitely a religious symbol - whether pagan or Christian, so why do we turn a blind eye to it when we raise such a stink about other symbols?

    Because we worship Santa Claus, not Jesus Christ. Christmas doesn't mean anything religious for 99% of people in this day and age. It means getting together with friends and family and sharing food and drink and gifts.
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    know1 wrote:
    Kind of like the pot as a gateway drug reasoning, huh?
    I've never seen a pot-head arguing for a coked up nation.
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Good. Now, why don't you want that society?
    Have you ever picked up on the condesending nature of your posts? You're not the board's elementary school teacher, you know.


    farfromglorified wrote:
    Yes, there is. Which in turn you're violating by telling people what they can or can't say.
    Not true. People can say whatever they want, I won't stop them.

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