Obama won

Anon

PEPPER wrote:

With that being said...are we "winning" the war now...and when I say winning I mean completing the original mission? Yes, I understand when people die it is a horrible thing but they did sign up to defend the country and in my mind that is what they are doing

There's an excellent blog site where returned soldiers and veterans post their stories and thoughts. It's heartbreaking. Hence why i said i don't think too much backslapping would be going on.
http://2dinar.com/articles/92.html

and i get what you mean about completing the original 'mission'.

PEPPER wrote:

btw, the beermaking went good

Awesome! I know all about stuff like mash efficiency and all the nerdy terms you use. my bf has taught me gewd!

digster

PEPPER wrote:

Obama is fighting (against) the war that began in 2003. McCain is fighting the war that needs to be fought now. It would be wonderful to have heard McCain tell Obama to get over it and move off his “we fought the wrong war” mantra, because it doesn’t matter anymore. And McCain should have hammered home the point that Obama would have the troops leave Iraq without victory; how could anyone expect that those troops would have the necessary morale to be effective in Afganistan??

This makes absolutely no sense. You can't tell someone to "get over" the dumbest foreign policy decision of the last twenty years if not longer. You keep saying "we've got to win in Iraq, we've got to win in Iraq." Tell me, what does that mean? How is it possible to "win" in a conventional sense? Those weapons of mass destruction,the reason we were there? Non-existent. "Get over it and move on from 'we fought the wrong war?' " This isn't like trying to forget that your favorite band made a crappy album; you don't just get to 'forget' and skip over the worst foreign policy decision you as a candidate ever made when you're running from office five years later.

McCain can't just press the reset button and say "OK, now we're fighting for democracy, not looking for weapons of mass destruction". When trying to get a job, you're judged by your past statements and actions. That McCain authorized and sent thousands of troops to die when they did not have to is not something you as a McCain supporter can forget when it becomes inconvenient.

jeffbr

yield6 wrote:

because your not voting for neither Obama or McCain makes you "reasoned and objective".....thats your argument? If you have a third candidate in mind or if you dont like either candidate that much not to vote, in my mind that makes you neither "reasoned" or "objective".

You really need to work on your reading comprehension. "reasoned and objective" referred to other posters in this thread. There are a number of Obama supporters in this thread that were cautious about what they saw. There were a number of Obama supporters in this thread who feel that it was close, but since this was supposed to be McCain's debate, they gave the edge to Obama. There were a couple of McCain supporters in this thread and others who were not particularly pleased with their candidate. Those people seem pretty reasonable. Then there were a couple of obnoxious posters who claimed it was a slam dunk and everyone who didn't think so are idiots. Those posters can't be considered rational or reasoned.

Commy

jeffbr wrote:

You really need to work on your reading comprehension. "reasoned and objective" referred to other posters in this thread. There are a number of Obama supporters in this thread that were cautious about what they saw. There were a number of Obama supporters in this thread who feel that it was close, but since this was supposed to be McCain's debate, they gave the edge to Obama. There were a couple of McCain supporters in this thread and others who were not particularly pleased with their candidate. Those people seem pretty reasonable. Then there were a couple of obnoxious posters who claimed it was a slam dunk and everyone who didn't think so are idiots. Those posters can't be considered rational or reasoned.

The debate was a sham. The questions were biased. the candidates are tools. Amerikan politics as usual.

Heineken Helen

PEPPER wrote:

Obama is fighting (against) the war that began in 2003. McCain is fighting the war that needs to be fought now. It would be wonderful to have heard McCain tell Obama to get over it and move off his “we fought the wrong war” mantra, because it doesn’t matter anymore. And McCain should have hammered home the point that Obama would have the troops leave Iraq without victory; how could anyone expect that those troops would have the necessary morale to be effective in Afganistan??

eh... what war needs to be fought now?

Thecure

am i teh only one who believes that the "debate" was rather bad. Obama i didn't think was that good. Mccain was not either. they kept to their points that we have heard already. i though the beginning was the worse. it didn't seem to me that both had a plan of what they wanted to do about the economy. i have to admit that i liked Obama on thh war but i also liked McCain and his knowledge of leaders around the world. that was just my opinion