take in? Take in? Huh? Who took us in? As far as I'm aware, there were no fucking visa requirements back then... the country was a free for all, wasn't it? Besides we were hardly welcomed with open arms.. what were the signs? No Irish, no blacks, no dogs or something like that.
And what did you do to us? You never picked on us individually... but I don't think many people can possibly deny that this American 'my dick is bigger than yours' mentality is destroying the world. The world that I and all Irish people (not to mention the billions of others) happen to live in :rolleyes: . Do you have to invade Ireland for me to have a RIGHT to be upset?
You live in a democracy so you have the right to be upset but personally I dont get it. This country has done plenty for Europe and European immigrants of all kinds. Were we perfect? Hell on. But there are probably millions of Irishman living in this country who would otherwise have starved had it not been for the open doors of this country. Your country has benefited quite substantially from your EU bailout and you are finally carrying your weight there so I suppose you are emboldened at this time. Nice of you to contribute a couple of brigades to your EU obligations.
You seem to be blinded to your contempt of everything and anyone American so this is an exercise of pissing in the wind. Not worth my time anymore.
You live in a democracy so you have the right to be upset but personally I dont get it. This country has done plenty for Europe and European immigrants of all kinds. Were we perfect? Hell on. But there are probably millions of Irishman living in this country who would otherwise have starved had it not been for the open doors of this country. Your country has benefited quite substantially from your EU bailout and you are finally carrying your weight there so I suppose you are emboldened at this time. Nice of you to contribute a couple of brigades to your EU obligations.
You seem to be blinded to your contempt of everything and anyone American so this is an exercise of pissing in the wind. Not worth my time anymore.
you want to start a thread about what we 'owe' to the world, feel free... but this thread is NOT about what Ireland got, and what we're giving... don't talk to me about immigrants, Ireland's full of them . Besides our country was pissed on for long enough, ever question WHY they had to leave? So I'm not overly bothered about how you feel that we owe you... didnt' America pretty much belong to anyone who landed there in those days?
How do I have contempt for everyone and everything american? Did I say 'your country's shit'? Did I say 'I hate Americans and all things American'? Nope, I happen to think your country's pretty cool, still not a patch on mine but I like it nonetheless. I'm commenting on the piece of shit war that your government started in YOUR name whether you like it or not.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
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Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
You live in a democracy so you have the right to be upset but personally I dont get it. This country has done plenty for Europe and European immigrants of all kinds. Were we perfect? Hell on. But there are probably millions of Irishman living in this country who would otherwise have starved had it not been for the open doors of this country. Your country has benefited quite substantially from your EU bailout and you are finally carrying your weight there so I suppose you are emboldened at this time. Nice of you to contribute a couple of brigades to your EU obligations.
You seem to be blinded to your contempt of everything and anyone American so this is an exercise of pissing in the wind. Not worth my time anymore.
also, you don't get why I have a right to be upset? Cos of all the things your country has done for mine????? Gimme a break. We asked your country for help and it was denied so we fought and won ourselves and I'm glad we did cos you don't HAVE the right to say shit like that to me with your typical arrogant attitude. So yeh, you think your country has the right to invade and destroy whatever country you like, pretty much how it was done to us... and yet we shouldn't be disgusted by it? Any war started by your country destroys WORLD stability, whether it be economically, environmentally, militarily, whatever... it's not just between you and Iraq... get it? Only difference is we don't have a say in the elections :mad:
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
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If things are as rosey as you say they are... why aren't we at least, drawing down the number of U.S. troops over there.
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And personally, I take offense to this statement (and nothing offends me):
"We are not losing an unsustainable number of troops."
You are willing to sacrifice these people for your comfort? at what number does your 'acceptable' losses in our troops, become unacceptable to you?
Becuase we are trying to solitify our gains. It hasn't even been a year since the voilence has subsided. Much of the voilence is predicated on cease-fires. We need to keep our presence there to ensure this peace is long-term.
Take ofense to it is you want, but it's just something we all call REALITY!!!!
We take the right...do what we say...we know better even if we have to invade your land and kill you (and your children) for it. Obey us or die.
people somehow try to justify that shit?
nice...
U.S. stays in Iraq, we keep the peace and keep hope alive that a democratic government holds in Iraq.
U.S. leaves, Iraq decends into civil war for several years. Millions die or get dissplaced. A Sunni genocide ensues. Eventually a Shite strong-man emerges and keeps power the same way Saddam did.
Becuase we are trying to solitify our gains. It hasn't even been a year since the voilence has subsided. Much of the voilence is predicated on cease-fires. We need to keep our presence there to ensure this peace is long-term.
Take ofense to it is you want, but it's just something we all call REALITY!!!!
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Reality, huh? A reality is you still did not answer my question... when does your acceptable losses become unacceptable to you? Are you are okay with the death of 1 U.S. soldier? 5? 100? 1,000? What is is? How many dead U.S. Soldiers are you comfortable with?
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Hail, Hail!!!
U.S. stays in Iraq, we keep the peace and keep hope alive that a democratic government holds in Iraq.
U.S. leaves, Iraq decends into civil war for several years. Millions die or get dissplaced. A Sunni genocide ensues. Eventually a Shite strong-man emerges and keeps power the same way Saddam did.
Somebody dispute that outcome.
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There's that term again... **hope**.
Hope is great for reasons of faith... it is horrible for military strategy and foriegn policy.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
also, you don't get why I have a right to be upset? Cos of all the things your country has done for mine????? Gimme a break. We asked your country for help and it was denied so we fought and won ourselves and I'm glad we did cos you don't HAVE the right to say shit like that to me with your typical arrogant attitude. So yeh, you think your country has the right to invade and destroy whatever country you like, pretty much how it was done to us... and yet we shouldn't be disgusted by it? Any war started by your country destroys WORLD stability, whether it be economically, environmentally, militarily, whatever... it's not just between you and Iraq... get it? Only difference is we don't have a say in the elections :mad:
4 words - Bill Clinton Belfast Accords. But yeah I guess this country doesn't give a shit about you. If you don't disdain it why do you keep referring to "us" in every argument you make. You don't have to say I hate American or Americans expressly but you are saying it. Just be honest.
also, you don't get why I have a right to be upset? Cos of all the things your country has done for mine????? Gimme a break. We asked your country for help and it was denied so we fought and won ourselves and I'm glad we did cos you don't HAVE the right to say shit like that to me with your typical arrogant attitude. So yeh, you think your country has the right to invade and destroy whatever country you like, pretty much how it was done to us... and yet we shouldn't be disgusted by it? Any war started by your country destroys WORLD stability, whether it be economically, environmentally, militarily, whatever... it's not just between you and Iraq... get it? Only difference is we don't have a say in the elections :mad:
4 words - Bill Clinton Belfast Accords. But yeah I guess this country doesn't give a shit about you. If you don't disdain it why do you keep referring to "us" in every argument you make. You don't have to say I hate American or Americans expressly but you are saying it. Just be honest.
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Reality, huh? A reality is you still did not answer my question... when does your acceptable losses become unacceptable to you? Are you are okay with the death of 1 U.S. soldier? 5? 100? 1,000? What is is? How many dead U.S. Soldiers are you comfortable with?
Your question is irrelevant becuase it's a given that we aren't losing that many soldiers. I don't know where you draw the line - but in this war we haven't even approached it.
leaving Iraq becuase our soldiers are dying is at the bottom of the list. It's more becuase people don't think we can win.
Your question is irrelevant becuase it's a given that we aren't losing that many soldiers. I don't know where you draw the line - but in this war we haven't even approached it.
leaving Iraq becuase our soldiers are dying is at the bottom of the list. It's more becuase people don't think we can win.
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'I Support Our Troops, But Their Deaths Are Irrelevent'... please, don't tell me that's what your magnet says.
And where do I draw the line in this war? One. Not One U.S. soldier should have died in Iraq.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
'I Support Our Troops, But Their Deaths Are Irrelevent'... please, don't tell me that's what your magnet says.
And where do I draw the line in this war? One. Not One U.S. soldier should have died in Iraq.
............
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Your question is irrelevant becuase it's a given that we aren't losing that many soldiers. I don't know where you draw the line - but in this war we haven't even approached it.
leaving Iraq becuase our soldiers are dying is at the bottom of the list. It's more becuase people don't think we can win.
"We aren't losing that many soldiers"? You're fucking disgusting. What if one of those had been your brother, sister, uncle, cousin, whatever? Each death has a profound effect stateside and to belittle them is one of the worst things I've read on this board.
When Jesus said "Love your enemies" he probably didn't mean kill them...
"Sometimes I think I'd be better off dead. No, wait, not me, you." -Deep Toughts, Jack Handy
4 words - Bill Clinton Belfast Accords. But yeah I guess this country doesn't give a shit about you. If you don't disdain it why do you keep referring to "us" in every argument you make. You don't have to say I hate American or Americans expressly but you are saying it. Just be honest.
a lot of people had a hand in what happened in the north. Clinton was very fond of the Irish and still spends a LOT of time over here. I never said your country doesn't give a shit... but you're now beginning to make out that only for 'your country' there'd be no peace in NI... gimME a break! You're going down that long boring road of 'we're so great, see what we did' and mentioning every little thing your country's done. You may say I've done the same but that's only in retaliation to your boring arrogance and when you've insinuated we've done nothing. I never said your country has done NOTHING for mine... but if the best you've got is Bill Clinton and Belfast, I rest my case. I've no doubt he helped... but they were on their way anyway and good for him getting his name in there
So I am saying I hate Americans??? Hmmm... that's news to me. I don't need to defend myself to you cos everyone I know knows otherwise, I could go on for hours 'I love America' with you saying 'no you don't' blah blah blah... I've said your country is almost as good as mine... and that's a HUGE compliment... all I'm saying is we both have a lot of things that need to be worked on. This thread is about one of YOUR problems... if you wanna start a thread about issues that WE need to resolve, like I said, feel free... but until then stop with your pettiness and stop trying to derail from the topic.
Thank you :cool:
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
a lot of people had a hand in what happened in the north. Clinton was very fond of the Irish and still spends a LOT of time over here. I never said your country doesn't give a shit... but you're now beginning to make out that only for 'your country' there'd be no peace in NI... gimME a break! You're going down that long boring road of 'we're so great, see what we did' and mentioning every little thing your country's done. You may say I've done the same but that's only in retaliation to your boring arrogance and when you've insinuated we've done nothing. I never said your country has done NOTHING for mine... but if the best you've got is Bill Clinton and Belfast, I rest my case. I've no doubt he helped... but they were on their way anyway and good for him getting his name in there
So I am saying I hate Americans??? Hmmm... that's news to me. I don't need to defend myself to you cos everyone I know knows otherwise, I could go on for hours 'I love America' with you saying 'no you don't' blah blah blah... I've said your country is almost as good as mine... and that's a HUGE compliment... all I'm saying is we both have a lot of things that need to be worked on. This thread is about one of YOUR problems... if you wanna start a thread about issues that WE need to resolve, like I said, feel free... but until then stop with your pettiness and stop trying to derail from the topic.
Thank you :cool:
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yeah... i see that knobhead paisley has stepped down. another down, one more to go.
there's quite a few more to go.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
You fucking started the mess... you go in, destroy a country for absolutely no good reason (oil NOT being a good reason), take everything you want from it... and then just fuck off and leave THEM to clean up the mess? :mad: Your troops should be over there NOT intimidating, not fighting... but building at YOUR expense... and cleaning up... and trying to make things right. If you can't fucking do it, at least give the UN some support and let us go in and do it properly :cool:
You can't get out of it this easily.
Of course we started the mess and destroyed Iraq. The entire war was screwed up right from the beginning. First there was no reason for it at all, it was very poorly planned and the belief that Iraqis wanted democracy was very underestimated.
There have been contractors there for years now trying to rebuild the country but it will never be rebuilt properly if buildings and people are continuing to be blown up by our troops, al Qaeda, Sunnis, Shiites and the Kurds. The fighting has to stop by all groups in order for the country to become stable enough to be properly rebuilt.
In order to get the UN involved the entire UN Security Council must approve it which is nearly impossible. I believe it's not only the US stopping it. Many other countries that opposed the war in the first place haven't paved the way for the UN to get totally involved either.
So the bottom line is the fighting has to stop and with us being there that will never happen. However someday we will have to clean up the mess we made.
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You live in a democracy so you have the right to be upset but personally I dont get it. This country has done plenty for Europe and European immigrants of all kinds. Were we perfect? Hell on. But there are probably millions of Irishman living in this country who would otherwise have starved had it not been for the open doors of this country. Your country has benefited quite substantially from your EU bailout and you are finally carrying your weight there so I suppose you are emboldened at this time. Nice of you to contribute a couple of brigades to your EU obligations.
You seem to be blinded to your contempt of everything and anyone American so this is an exercise of pissing in the wind. Not worth my time anymore.
How do I have contempt for everyone and everything american? Did I say 'your country's shit'? Did I say 'I hate Americans and all things American'? Nope, I happen to think your country's pretty cool, still not a patch on mine but I like it nonetheless. I'm commenting on the piece of shit war that your government started in YOUR name whether you like it or not.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Becuase we are trying to solitify our gains. It hasn't even been a year since the voilence has subsided. Much of the voilence is predicated on cease-fires. We need to keep our presence there to ensure this peace is long-term.
Take ofense to it is you want, but it's just something we all call REALITY!!!!
U.S. stays in Iraq, we keep the peace and keep hope alive that a democratic government holds in Iraq.
U.S. leaves, Iraq decends into civil war for several years. Millions die or get dissplaced. A Sunni genocide ensues. Eventually a Shite strong-man emerges and keeps power the same way Saddam did.
Somebody dispute that outcome.
Reality, huh? A reality is you still did not answer my question... when does your acceptable losses become unacceptable to you? Are you are okay with the death of 1 U.S. soldier? 5? 100? 1,000? What is is? How many dead U.S. Soldiers are you comfortable with?
Hail, Hail!!!
There's that term again... **hope**.
Hope is great for reasons of faith... it is horrible for military strategy and foriegn policy.
Hail, Hail!!!
4 words - Bill Clinton Belfast Accords. But yeah I guess this country doesn't give a shit about you. If you don't disdain it why do you keep referring to "us" in every argument you make. You don't have to say I hate American or Americans expressly but you are saying it. Just be honest.
4 words - Bill Clinton Belfast Accords. But yeah I guess this country doesn't give a shit about you. If you don't disdain it why do you keep referring to "us" in every argument you make. You don't have to say I hate American or Americans expressly but you are saying it. Just be honest.
Your question is irrelevant becuase it's a given that we aren't losing that many soldiers. I don't know where you draw the line - but in this war we haven't even approached it.
leaving Iraq becuase our soldiers are dying is at the bottom of the list. It's more becuase people don't think we can win.
'I Support Our Troops, But Their Deaths Are Irrelevent'... please, don't tell me that's what your magnet says.
And where do I draw the line in this war? One. Not One U.S. soldier should have died in Iraq.
Hail, Hail!!!
............
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
"We aren't losing that many soldiers"? You're fucking disgusting. What if one of those had been your brother, sister, uncle, cousin, whatever? Each death has a profound effect stateside and to belittle them is one of the worst things I've read on this board.
"Sometimes I think I'd be better off dead. No, wait, not me, you." -Deep Toughts, Jack Handy
So I am saying I hate Americans??? Hmmm... that's news to me. I don't need to defend myself to you cos everyone I know knows otherwise, I could go on for hours 'I love America' with you saying 'no you don't' blah blah blah... I've said your country is almost as good as mine... and that's a HUGE compliment... all I'm saying is we both have a lot of things that need to be worked on. This thread is about one of YOUR problems... if you wanna start a thread about issues that WE need to resolve, like I said, feel free... but until then stop with your pettiness and stop trying to derail from the topic.
Thank you :cool:
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
yeah... i see that knobhead paisley has stepped down. another down, one more to go.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
hmm i was thinking GW but now that you mention it i did forget about putin. theyre the two on my hitlist atm and theyre both going... going...
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Of course we started the mess and destroyed Iraq. The entire war was screwed up right from the beginning. First there was no reason for it at all, it was very poorly planned and the belief that Iraqis wanted democracy was very underestimated.
There have been contractors there for years now trying to rebuild the country but it will never be rebuilt properly if buildings and people are continuing to be blown up by our troops, al Qaeda, Sunnis, Shiites and the Kurds. The fighting has to stop by all groups in order for the country to become stable enough to be properly rebuilt.
In order to get the UN involved the entire UN Security Council must approve it which is nearly impossible. I believe it's not only the US stopping it. Many other countries that opposed the war in the first place haven't paved the way for the UN to get totally involved either.
So the bottom line is the fighting has to stop and with us being there that will never happen. However someday we will have to clean up the mess we made.