Too much testosterone!

Jeanie

gue_barium wrote:

See, the thing is, i was being confessional and then you were too, so the problem would have been solved if we had been two little kids together kind of discovering that stuff.

But, i reconsidered the post, TMI.

sorry

but, you read it, and now you know...some of the story...bwhahahhahaha

So hope you're not editing again now!

Yes, I understand about the TMI. I'm highly guilty of it myself.

Anyhoo, no biggy. So we are agreeing that kids become aware of their gender at an early age.

Jeanie

gue_barium wrote:

Unless...
OMG!

If you're my cousin, Jeanie, Holy Moly.

:eek: I SO HOPE YOU'RE NOT!! :eek:

That would be highly f**king embarrassing!!

And besides you'd know too much!!

gue_barium

Jeanie wrote:

:eek: I SO HOPE YOU'RE NOT!! :eek:

That would be highly fucking embarrassing!!

And besides you'd know too much!!

She became a spinster. I don't know why. Very high-strung. High IQ, over achiever, teacher in the public school system. Nice boobs.

gue_barium

gue_barium wrote:

She became a spinster. I don't know why. Very high-strung. High IQ, over achiever, teacher in the public school system. Nice boobs.

Even as a kid, she was put-offish, like being a kid wasn't good enough for her.

She liked me, for some reason. It was sexual in nature. She was threatened yet enthralled, all at once.

gue_barium

gue_barium wrote:

Even as a kid, she was put-offish, like being a kid wasn't good enough for her.

She liked me, for some reason. It was sexual in nature. She was threatened yet enthralled, all at once.

Then, years later, after her 3-month marriage failed she went headstrong into Jeusus..jesses..JESUS.

She continues to speak of him like an engorged penis.

catefrances

gue_barium wrote:

I think people interpret their own gender in a personal way, regardless of society. At a young age.

i think society determines gender identification. it's fine when youre a little kid but as you grow up and develop physically you are restrained from doing what you had been doing for years previously with no problem. now all of a sudden what you considered natural is wrong. remember being told, girls dont do that. or boys dont behave like that?

gue_barium

catefrances wrote:

i think society determines gender identification. it's fine when youre a little kid but as you grow up and develop physically you are restrained from doing what you had been doing for years previously with no problem. now all of a sudden what you considered natural is wrong. remember being told, girls dont do that. or boys dont behave like that?

yeah.

but i had such a strong identification with my own personal gender at such a young age, i don't think those rules applied to me much.

gue_barium

gue_barium wrote:

Then, years later, after her 3-month marriage failed she went headstrong into Jeusus..jesses..JESUS.

She continues to speak of him like an engorged penis.

Jesus never goes limp in the world of my cousin Jeanie, the Baptist spinster.

True story.

Jeanie

catefrances wrote:

i think society determines gender identification. it's fine when youre a little kid but as you grow up and develop physically you are restrained from doing what you had been doing for years previously with no problem. now all of a sudden what you considered natural is wrong. remember being told, girls dont do that. or boys dont behave like that?

Well I can agree with that too cate. But I do believe that small children have an understanding of their gender from an early age. Of course societal influences come along and mess with that, but I do recall very vaguely before then.

Jeanie

gue_barium wrote:

Jesus never goes limp in the world of my cousin Jeanie, the Baptist spinster.

True story.

Yes, having read all those descriptions I can safely say that I am NOT your cousin gue!!

It's sad when people can't go to something because they are attracted for the right reasons.

But then I probably shouldn't judge, I am also attracted to weird and wonderful things because of my self interpretation.

Jeanie

gue_barium wrote:

yeah.

but i had such a strong identification with my own personal gender at such a young age, i don't think those rules applied to me much.

gue, do you think that identification is specific to you or possibly because you are a man? I'm just wondering.

I don't recall being so strongly identifying with my gender until just before puberty when other people, specifically men/boys, seemed to suddenly become aware of me being a girl.

gue_barium

Jeanie wrote:

Yes, having read all those descriptions I can safely say that I am NOT your cousin gue!!

It's sad when people can't go to something because they are attracted for the right reasons.

But then I probably shouldn't judge, I am also attracted to weird and wonderful things because of my self interpretation.

She's a strange one. An education to me, really. Cousins...your mom and dad's sib's, and their kids provide a lot of insight, if your particular family turns away from tradition, as mine did. I haven't spoken with her in 20 years. I looked up her number about 7 years ago, found it, left a message on her machine. She never called back.

gue_barium

Jeanie wrote:

gue, do you think that identification is specific to you or possibly because you are a man? I'm just wondering.

I don't recall being so strongly identifying with my gender until just before puberty when other people, specifically men/boys, seemed to suddenly become aware of me being a girl.

Penises are more obvious than clitorises, so maybe/probably.

Jeanie

gue_barium wrote:

She's a strange one. An education to me, really. Cousins...your mom and dad's sib's, and their kids provide a lot of insight, if your particular family turns away from tradition, as mine did. I haven't spoken with her in 20 years. I looked up her number about 7 years ago, found it, left a message on her machine. She never called back.

I think your aunts and uncles and cousins play quite a pivotal role in your early life, regardless of whether you turn away from tradition or not gue.
It makes sense that siblings would want to spend time together and that their children would spend time together too. But I think as time progresses everybody heads off in their own direction. It is certainly the case in my family. We seem to only see each other now in times of illness or at funerals.
I still don't speak to some of my cousins. Think that's just life maybe?

gue_barium

Jeanie wrote:

gue, do you think that identification is specific to you or possibly because you are a man? I'm just wondering.

I don't recall being so strongly identifying with my gender until just before puberty when other people, specifically men/boys, seemed to suddenly become aware of me being a girl.

On the other hand, I remember being in 3rd grade and telling my classmates what the function of a penis was, in regards to the female vagina. They wouldn't believe me.

catefrances

Jeanie wrote:

Well I can agree with that too cate. But I do believe that small children have an understanding of their gender from an early age. Of course societal influences come along and mess with that, but I do recall very vaguely before then.

you can't imagine how hurt i was when i discovered that girls aren't allowed to play footy. i was consoled with the notion that i could always be a cheerleader. i said screw that you can shove that up your bum. if i cant play footy im not gonna compromise and stand on the sidelines and shake pompoms cheering for the boys.

Jeanie

gue_barium wrote:

Penises are more obvious than clitorises, so maybe/probably.

And possibly because of the obvious or inobvious functionality of these organs we may also have a different relationship with them and identify with them differently?

I remember boys at my primary school always wanting to play kiss chasey which positively repulsed me at the time.

I mean girls don't get obvious until boobies turn up.

gue_barium

Jeanie wrote:

I think your aunts and uncles and cousins play quite a pivotal role in your early life, regardless of whether you turn away from tradition or not gue.
It makes sense that siblings would want to spend time together and that their children would spend time together too. But I think as time progresses everybody heads off in their own direction. It is certainly the case in my family. We seem to only see each other now in times of illness or at funerals.
I still don't speak to some of my cousins. Think that's just life maybe?

Sure, yeah.

Jeanie had a weird insight, though, to me. She was 5 or 6 years older, yet she took me seriously in a way. And she was respected for her scholastic aptitude. I think we had some weird recognition of each other's worth.

gue_barium

Jeanie wrote:

And possibly because of the obvious or inobvious functionality of these organs we may also have a different relationship with them and identify with them differently?

I remember boys at my primary school always wanting to play kiss chasey which positively repulsed me at the time.

I mean girls don't get obvious until boobies turn up.

I was playing kissy stuff pretty early on. Not with the cousins, they were too religious. lol. but on the playground, in grade school, quite a bit. the girls loved it. they initiated most of it.

Jeanie

catefrances wrote:

you can't imagine how hurt i was when i discovered that girls aren't allowed to play footy. i was consoled with the notion that i could always be a cheerleader. i said screw that you can shove that up your bum. if i cant play footy im not gonna compromise and stand on the sidelines and shake pompoms cheering for the boys.

You know girl? There seems to be no end to the things we share.

I did want to play footy myself. I know I certainly would rather have been viewed by the world as a footy player and not a cheerleader so much.
Most of my dancing enjoyment was eventually ruined because I couldn't stop feeling superfluous and objectified.


Actually we did play footy at Tech a few times, girls v. boys.
We got hammered of course! :rolleyes: