More School Shootings

thankyougrandma

romybian wrote:

There are probably lots of things to considerate in order to prevent these kind of things...
you have the media permanently feeding kids with this bulshit that happens very often, but at the same time people need to know what's going on in their country, You can put metal detectors everywhere but if the kid really wants to, he'll get the guns through some other way.
You can put policemen at schools and they're gonna feel uncomfortable with the situation, and when a kid starts shooting it'll turn into a fuckin' war inside the school....
Those gun laws NEED to be changed but let's face it, if they want a gun, they'll get a gun on the streets...
It's a deep social problem that needs to be adressed by intelligent specialized people. And to get those people to do so, every citizen must compromise to ask for it. As long as Americans sit in their houses watching the news and complaining without doing anything, it's rare that the current administration will get to work on it soon.
And it goes to every single country in the world......... IMO.

good post, i agree with most of it...

Jammin909

PARENTS. Hello, are you out there???

The government is not responsible for raising our kids.

People kill people.

dunkman

Jammin909 wrote:

People kill people.

and monkeys do to... give a monkey a loaded gun and law of averages will mean eventually it'll kill someone

so people kill people (and monkeys do too)

humanlight

this is what i put on the other "school shooting" post, so forgive me if some of you are reading it twice.

How to make kids stop shooting each other: they need to feel like if they miss school that day that someone is missing them, or they are missing somehthing that means something to them.

robbie

Jammin909 wrote:

PARENTS. Hello, are you out there???

The government is not responsible for raising our kids.

People kill people.

the parent are driving around in SUV's with flags plastered all over them blindly supporting killing people to resolve problems. the churches they go to are telling them to vote for people who kill people as a way of resolving conflits, and their schools are teaching them a history of solving conflicts through violence. with the parents, government, schools, and churches sporting hard ons for war, what else can we expect our children to learn???????????????????????????????? when every aspect of society teaches the gloification of violence to resolve conflict, we reap what we sew.

Cosmo

robbie wrote:

the parent are driving around in SUV's with flags plastered all over them blindly supporting killing people to resolve problems. the churches they go to are telling them to vote for people who kill people as a way of resolving conflits, and their schools are teaching them a history of solving conflicts through violence. with the parents, government, schools, and churches sporting hard ons for war, what else can we expect our children to learn???????????????????????????????? when every aspect of society teaches the gloification of violence to resolve conflict, we reap what we sew.

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Solid points there.

humanlight

robbie wrote:

the parent are driving around in SUV's with flags plastered all over them blindly supporting killing people to resolve problems. the churches they go to are telling them to vote for people who kill people as a way of resolving conflits, and their schools are teaching them a history of solving conflicts through violence. with the parents, government, schools, and churches sporting hard ons for war, what else can we expect our children to learn???????????????????????????????? when every aspect of society teaches the gloification of violence to resolve conflict, we reap what we sew.

I think we are trying to solve a child's problem with adult ideas. We had guns in my home and I never never never concidered even touching them, and my high school life sucked!!!!!!!! Children do not think, "oh the governement is giong to war, so that means killing is okay." they are much more concrete thinkers.

there are two things that drive children: love and attention.


It is really that simple, our children need to feel loved and recieve positive attention. From family, friends, neighbors, teachers, principals, bus drivers, etc. We need to show love to children, then they will stop all this damn shooting. Do you really think any of these children felt unconditionally loved by these people I just listed. I am willing to bet my life savings on "no".

Pj had it right all along "All you need is love"

blackredyellow

humanlight wrote:

I think we are trying to solve a child's problem with adult ideas. We had guns in my home and I never never never concidered even touching them, and my high school life sucked!!!!!!!! Children do not think, "oh the governement is giong to war, so that means killing is okay." they are much more concrete thinkers.

there are two things that drive children: love and attention.


It is really that simple, our children need to feel loved and recieve positive attention. From family, friends, neighbors, teachers, principals, bus drivers, etc. We need to show love to children, then they will stop all this damn shooting. Do you really think any of these children felt unconditionally loved by these people I just listed. I am willing to bet my life savings on "no".

Pj had it right all along "All you need is love"

I agree... while the examples set by our leaders, and our celebrities, and movie and video games don't help, love and attention is the key...

humanlight

blackredyellow wrote:

I agree... while the examples set by our leaders, and our celebrities, and movie and video games don't help, love and attention is the key...

No they do not help at all, but if children had a strong since of self, family, and community, then they would much less likely to shoot someone. Also, parents are starting to parent children's behaviors. We say "hitting is NOT okay," but we never say "what" makes hitting not okay. The values behind behaviors have become extenct.

PaperPlates

robbie wrote:

i was watching MSNBC and there was a lady on wondering why our children have no conflict resolution skills. she couldnt figure out why kids feel the need to solve conflict with violence and guns as oppsed to talking.


where would they get that idea???????????????????????????????????


who in our society could have possibly set the example that all conflicts should be solved with bullets and death as opposed to ANY other form of conflict resolution? hmmmmmm? anyone? anyone have an example of how our society would train our children this?

robbie wrote:

the parent are driving around in SUV's with flags plastered all over them blindly supporting killing people to resolve problems. the churches they go to are telling them to vote for people who kill people as a way of resolving conflits, and their schools are teaching them a history of solving conflicts through violence. with the parents, government, schools, and churches sporting hard ons for war, what else can we expect our children to learn???????????????????????????????? when every aspect of society teaches the gloification of violence to resolve conflict, we reap what we sew.

Where did they list the political and religous leanings of these kids and their families and other people who do these horrible shootings? You have a very narrow view of whats going on here. Id think that the chances are actually greater that these kids have liberal, pot smoking parents whose idea of personal responsibility in parenting is giving the kid a condom.


Blaming Bush for a guy with no social skills shooting kids? You get a point for originality.

Jammin909 wrote:

PARENTS. Hello, are you out there???

The government is not responsible for raising our kids.

People kill people.

thankyougrandma wrote:

well, it's definitly a problem, and not just an american problem, that was my point...

What they said. No gun ever got up and shot someone all by itself.

jlew24asu

pushmepullme wrote:

But as long as you Americans still get to carry your guns, its ok. I long ceased to feel sorry for you Americans when shit like this happens.

this says alot about your character. we have no need for your sympathy.

robbie

we SAY hitting is not ok, but we SHOW that hiiting is the only way to resolve conflict. im not saying children use the thought process that if the country is at war, it nust be ok to kill, but our society inbeds in us that violence is the only answer. when childen have this idea drilled into them from every aspect of leadership, it is all they know. when all they see from everyone that is supposed to set an example is violence, what can we expect? of course i agree that it is also due to lack of love and attention, but we cannot go on teaching the merits, glories, and benefits of war, killing, torture, and violence and not expect it to have consequences. children can differinciate between reality and fiction. grand theft auto, and kill bill are fiction, however.....what our society is traing our children to be through our REAL actions is rearing its ugly head. who are our children supposed to learn how to live from when our parents, churches, government , and schools are teaching the same message? in real life, in the real united states VIOLENCE is the only answer.

jlew24asu

humanlight wrote:

Pj had it right all along "All you need is love"

you mean the Beatles right....

PaperPlates

jlew24asu wrote:

you mean the Beatles right....

Who?

humanlight

robbie wrote:

we SAY hitting is not ok, but we SHOW that hiiting is the only way to resolve conflict. im not saying children use the thought process that if the country is at war, it nust be ok to kill, but our society inbeds in us that violence is the only answer. when childen have this idea drilled into them from every aspect of leadership, it is all they know. when all they see from everyone that is supposed to set an example is violence, what can we expect? of course i agree that it is also due to lack of love and attention, but we cannot go on teaching the merits, glories, and benefits of war, killing, torture, and violence and not expect it to have consequences. children can differinciate between reality and fiction. grand theft auto, and kill bill are fiction, however.....what our society is traing our children to be through our REAL actions is rearing its ugly head. who are our children supposed to learn how to live from when our parents, churches, government , and schools are teaching the same message? in real life, in the real united states VIOLENCE is the only answer.

See even our war is arbitrary (I know I spelled that wrong lol). I mean, when we fought the first wars of our country we knew what we were fighting for: end of slavery, communism, etc. Now what? Do we adults really know? So how do we expect children to understand the war. Again there is no values. We are fighting a war with no values at steak. I mean can we say to our 9 year old "honey there are very bad men out there who are making people slaves and we believe it is wrong. So we are going to go to war to stop it b/c we tried everything else." Now we say "Honey there are some very bad men out there who are trying to sell us gas for much more than it is worth, so we are going to war with them b/c we won't use our own fuel." Can ya see the difference! I am sure you agree, I am just on a soap box, sorry.

robbie

PaperPlates wrote:

Who?

no, the WHO said.

"we have an old saying in texas, mabey you have it here too, fool me onece, shame....um....shame...shame on you ........fool me.....................................................................................................................................................................................................................WONT GET FOOLED AGAIN.

hardcoar

robbie wrote:

who in our society could have possibly set the example that all conflicts should be solved with bullets and death as opposed to ANY other form of conflict resolution? hmmmmmm? anyone? anyone have an example of how our society would train our children this?

MTV, the parents of said children, TV in general, rap music, and........ oh wait a minute! this is all Bush's fault! I almost forgot!

macgyver06

pushmepullme wrote:

But as long as you Americans still get to carry your guns, its ok. I long ceased to feel sorry for you Americans when shit like this happens.

yes because crime happens only in america.

PaperPlates

robbie wrote:

no, the WHO said.

"we have an old saying in texas, mabey you have it here too, fool me onece, shame....um....shame...shame on you ........fool me.....................................................................................................................................................................................................................WONT GET FOOLED AGAIN.

Do you dream about Bush at night? I think you might need help.

robbie

humanlight wrote:

See even our war is arbitrary (I know I spelled that wrong lol). I mean, when we fought the first wars of our country we knew what we were fighting for: end of slavery, communism, etc. Now what? Do we adults really know? So how do we expect children to understand the war. Again there is no values. We are fighting a war with no values at steak. I mean can we say to our 9 year old "honey there are very bad men out there who are making people slaves and we believe it is wrong. So we are going to go to war to stop it b/c we tried everything else." Now we say "Honey there are some very bad men out there who are trying to sell us gas for much more than it is worth, so we are going to war with them b/c we won't use our own fuel." Can ya see the difference! I am sure you agree, I am just on a soap box, sorry.

i WISH they gave that much of a reason!!!!!!!! wgat we are saying is..."nevermind why we are there.. the fact is we are there, so we have to stay there. kids...we are killing and being killed because we are killing and being killed. it DOES NOT MATTER WHY, what matters is that we CANNOT stop killin!!!! at all costs if you stop killing you are a cut and run coward. NEVER TALK TO YOUR ENEMIES!!!!! KILL YOUR ENEMIES!!!!!!!