"Loose Change" Director Chuckles Over Flight 93

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  • duncan in the sand
    duncan in the sand Posts: 35
    WindNoSail wrote:
    World domination is an aphrodisiac, if you can knock off your primary enemies it won't be long before you think you can fuck the rest of the world.
    I think Cheney might have this tattooed on his ass.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    WindNoSail wrote:
    Man, I think I am getting aroused! This is much better than fireworks!! :D

    http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&satitle=thermite ;)
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  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    duncan in the sand wrote:
    I think Cheney might have this tattooed on his ass.

    Someone asked this the other day and bares repeating...where the fuck is Dick?
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    http://wtc.nist.gov/NISTNCSTAR1-3Cchaps.pdf

    I couldn't figure out a way to copy all the texts I wanted to, I had to manually type this out of the NIST report, but it goes on and on about sulfur eating away at the steal.
    NIST wrote:
    However, the failure was not a material-related issue, as a concerted effort was made to deoxidize the steel to a relatively high degree for plates with Fy of 55 ksi or greater (NIST NCSTAR 1-2E). This was noted by the elevated levels of silicon and aluminum, with significantly low levels of phosphorous and sulfur.

    The wasting of the web plates most likely resulted from a high temperature, corrosion process that was exacerbated by the presence of sulfur. While not enough evidence was available to indicate whether corrosion occurred through gaseous, liquid or solid attack (in addition to varied conditions possible in the rubble pile and lack of information associated with the recovery of this column at the WTC site), it was likely that the degradation process was most likely a complex combination of these three. As sulfur was not readily available in large amounts in the steel (0.02 weight percent max), an external source must have supplied this specie (e.g., plastic, rubber). Viewing the column, this external source was in all probability burning directly on top of the outer web while the column lay in a prone position.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    An interesting thing I found in the NIST report was traces of an Aluminum Alloy called AA 3003. At first I thought this was from the jet. However Boeing as I found out typically uses a different Aluminum Alloy. AA 3003 is used in a lot of Aeresol cans, but would that have really been a detectable level. I don't know enough about it yet to make any correlations though.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Ahnimus wrote:
    http://wtc.nist.gov/NISTNCSTAR1-3Cchaps.pdf

    I couldn't figure out a way to copy all the texts I wanted to, I had to manually type this out of the NIST report, but it goes on and on about sulfur eating away at the steal.

    Further on the very last line of page 232 it reads "No source for the sulfur was identified."
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • WindNoSail
    WindNoSail Posts: 580
    Ahnimus wrote:
    http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&satitle=thermite ;)


    WTC was a very probably like its own little self sustaining community, and I would expect that building management had many different types of equipment and supplies to keep all systems in order. So, is there a practical use of thermite that could be explained for it being stored in the building? Welding comes to mind.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    WindNoSail wrote:
    WTC was a very probably like its own little self sustaining community, and I would expect that building management had many different types of equipment and supplies to keep all systems in order. So, is there a practical use of thermite that could be explained for it being stored in the building? Welding comes to mind.

    Possibly, apparently they had weapons caches.

    One of the most unexplained phenomena of the WTC attacks, was the 1377 C degree temperatures reported under ground months afterwards. I believe it was NASA that provided the photos.

    http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0405/ofr-01-0405.html
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Also there is video footage of the clean-up crew pulling molten metal out of the site. I should have cataloged all this stuff when I came across it the first time, lol.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • VINNY GOOMBA
    VINNY GOOMBA Posts: 1,826
    duncan in the sand wrote:
    Check out Scholars for 9/11 Truth. Listen to a man with a PHD in Nuclear Science say that there is no way that the metal in that building melted from the jet fuel. It CAN'T burn hot enough to make it happen.

    That's where they had me believing... Until I realized one thing. The word "melted." Damn right the steel didn't melt from the fire, -- It definitely did not get hot enough to turn into liquid metal. But, steel doesn't have to completely become liquid to lose strength,-- the fires did not burn hot enough to melt the steel, but they did burn hot enough to warp the steel to the point where it becomes useless.
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    WindNoSail wrote:
    I agree with the ENTIRE content of this video. This just reinforces my belief that often times whacko libs are rude, classless, unintellegent, and worthless as far as a real discussion.

    If you hate the video, then you are probably one of the people I just described. But, I don't hate you for it. I just hope you will actually watch it and consider the information as opposed to shutting down.

    It's unintelligent...I normally don't care about spelling...but I found it ironic that it was misspelled in the above post...
  • lalalalaaaaaaaa
    lalalalaaaaaaaa Posts: 2,445
    I like Maddox's take on this issue:

    http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

    :)
  • dangerboy
    dangerboy Posts: 1,569
    with all the talk about fire and chemicals and such....don't leave out the effect of having the integrity of the steel compromised by the impact of a large jetliner at 400 mph...imho, it's not so hard to believe that the two together could have resulted in the failure of the structure...


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  • boxwine_in_hell
    boxwine_in_hell Posts: 1,263
    jsand wrote:
    What an asshole:

    http://hotair.com/archives/the-blog/2006/08/02/video-loose-change-director-chuckles-over-flight-93/

    Total and complete jackass.
    one foot in the door
    the other foot in the gutter
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    I think I'd rather smother
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  • Eliot Rosewater
    Eliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    WindNoSail wrote:
    I agree with the ENTIRE content of this video. This just reinforces my belief that often times whacko libs are rude, classless, unintellegent, and worthless as far as a real discussion.

    If you hate the video, then you are probably one of the people I just described. But, I don't hate you for it. I just hope you will actually watch it and consider the information as opposed to shutting down.
    Oh, that's right...because it was the "wacho lib" who could only say, "you're stupid, you're stupid"...right? Oh, nope, it was the cop who claims to have seen WTC7 fall down but isn't competent enough to see that it was demolished.
  • Eliot Rosewater
    Eliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    hailhailkc wrote:
    Exactly. If Bush and Co. masterminded this 9/11 plot to get into Iraq…which was based upon WMD…why weren't Bush and Co. smart enough to plant some WMD in Iraq to make themselves look good?

    Why make yourself look like an ass after you do all of that masterminding and plotting for 9/11 JUST TO GET INTO IRAQ?!?!

    Well?
    I don't believe this was to get into Iraq. I think that was an afterthought. IMO, one of the greatest motivations for the administration to pull this off is the long sought after goal of an untouchable president. Bush has increased the power of the president a great deal under the guise of security and protecting us from "terrorism."
  • Eliot Rosewater
    Eliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    duncan in the sand wrote:
    I disagree. I believe they hate us because of our foreign policies, specifically our arming and massively lobsided support for Israel.
    Well, I'm not sure they hate us at all. Well, certainly Iraqis hate us for terrorizing and occupying their country, but if the middle east as a whole hates us, I believe you're correct with that reasoning.
  • audome25
    audome25 Posts: 163
    VINNY GOOMBA wrote:
    steel doesn't have to completely become liquid to lose strength,-- the fires did not burn hot enough to melt the steel, but they did burn hot enough to warp the steel to the point where it becomes useless.


    ding ding ding.
  • VINNY GOOMBA
    VINNY GOOMBA Posts: 1,826
    Saturnal wrote:
    I like Maddox's take on this issue:

    http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

    :)


    Yeah man, Maddox really does say it best. Bottom line, there would be way too many people involved in this conspiracy for it ever to work.

    But I still can't help but feel like everyone else does-- there are still so many unanswered questions that desperately need attention.
  • Eliot Rosewater
    Eliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    WindNoSail wrote:
    Very cooooool! Thanks!

    That still goes against the timed explosions that are being discussed to bring down the building. If this was used, it would just have been an accelerant that maybe could melt the medal, but still not the timed explosions. Am i too skeptical?

    If this stuff was in the tower, how was it used.
    Well, I'm sure they wanted to ensure the towers came down so they did both. Then with evidence of melted metal they could try to fool us into thinking the fires from the planes melted the metal. God bless Dr. Jones and the other Scholars for 9/11 Truth.

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