Quana "massacre" staged...

RockinInCanada

Jsand...still waiting for a reply to my questioning of your backwards logic?

thankyougrandma

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

OTTAWA (CP) - Canada is calling for a ceasefire in the Mideast conflict - provided the right conditions are in place.

Foreign Affairs Minister Peter MacKay says that means Hezbollah must end its missile attacks on Israel, and Iran and Syria must end their support for Hezbollah aggression.

In the meantime, he called on Israel to show restraint in its attacks on Hezbollah positions in southern Lebanon.

sound familiar, i think i've heard that somewhere...

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

MacKay was at a Commons committee today on the Mideast conflict and the evacuation of Canadians from Lebanon.

He said Ottawa's priorities have been to protect Canadians in the region, provide humanitarian aid, and promote stability and peace.

About 13,000 Canadians have been evacuated from Lebanon.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper has faced withering criticism over his decision to defend Israel's air strikes as a "measured" response after the kidnapping of two Israeli soldiers by Hezbollah.

A new poll suggests a majority of Canadians do not support Prime Minister Stephen Harper's decision to support Israel in the Middle East crisis.

Well Canada should not be in that group of four considering its citizens are dead against it as well....the same could be said of the British as well....I tell you leadership that goes against the populace is just plain wrong....

damn those polls number are changing from day to day, maybe these newspaper should pay for real polls instead of only 1000 sample for the whole country, 1000 from each province would be more accurate.

RockinInCanada

thankyougrandma wrote:

sound familiar, i think i've heard that somewhere...




damn those polls number are changing from day to day, maybe these newspaper should pay for real polls instead of only 1000 sample for the whole country, 1000 from each province would be more accurate.

This came from The Sun's media site...so i would bet the majority of Canadians are against this considering the slant this media usually takes on these matters....

rebornFixer

Well, somehow we got from namecalling (still surprised that was allowed to occur), back to Harper bashing.

The Train keeps a rolling ...

thankyougrandma

reborncareerist wrote:

Well, somehow we got from namecalling (still surprised that was allowed to occur), back to Harper bashing.

The Train keeps a rolling ...

we got bored i guess, Harper was an easy target, blame Rockin'Canada... hehe...

rebornFixer

thankyougrandma wrote:

we got bored i guess, Harper was an easy target, blame Rockin'Canada... hehe...

Hey, this time, the Harper bashing was actually a move in the right direction.

dayan

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

Yep and how are people to evacuate the area when all the main infrastructure was destroyed in the opening days of this conflict...on their feet through the middle of the desert...such a weak excuse this so called warning....maybe would have some justifcation if the entire country wasn't carpet bombed and there were ACTUAL ways to get out safe and easy....

I'm sorry, but I'm not really sure this was the case. Remember that thousands of Lebanese have gone to Syria. How did they get there if travel was impossible. So too with all the westerners who have been evacuated from Lebanon. Also, as was pointed out, if reporters, camera men, and rescue workers could get to the village of Qana within an hour of the buildings collapse then it must have been possible to get out as well.

thankyougrandma

dayan wrote:

I'm sorry, but I'm not really sure this was the case. Remember that thousands of Lebanese have gone to Syria. How did they get there if travel was impossible. So too with all the westerners who have been evacuated from Lebanon. Also, as was pointed out, if reporters, camera men, and rescue workers could get to the village of Qana within an hour of the buildings collapse then it must have been possible to get out as well.

tss tss, Israel stopped their aerial strikes and allowed Lebanese to open roads and travel, UN, Red Cross and civillians were suddenly invading highways (probably still are), please that's not an invention of the westerners...

jsand

dayan wrote:

I'm sorry, but I'm not really sure this was the case. Remember that thousands of Lebanese have gone to Syria. How did they get there if travel was impossible. So too with all the westerners who have been evacuated from Lebanon. Also, as was pointed out, if reporters, camera men, and rescue workers could get to the village of Qana within an hour of the buildings collapse then it must have been possible to get out as well.

Don't let this get you down, Rockin'...just keep saying the entire country was carpet bombed.

thankyougrandma

jsand wrote:

Don't let this get you down, Rockin'...just keep saying the entire country was carpet bombed.

2 weeks of bombing sure doesn't help the country's infrastructure, i guess Israel bomb are clean and don't destroy anything, they just destroyed Hezbollah fighters, they're intelligent bomb, funny shit...

dayan

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

Well the south has been and if you won't realize that you seriously are out of touch....so can I ask if Hezbollah decided next time to warn Haifia of its missle lauch times it will be justified? Because that is the logic you are using, pretty damn backwards isn't it..

You seem to believe innocent Lebonese lives are not worth the lives of an Israeli citizen which is tragic if that is the case...because thats how I view it....them being equal that is....

There are a few differences however. Israel is targeting military targets deliberately situated in civilian areas by Hezbollah in response to Hezbollah's attack across Israel's recognized border. This Hezbollah attack, in which eight Israeli soldiers were killed and two kidnapped, has been universally recognized as the event that triggered this war. Before that event Israel was in no way attacking Lebanon. Furthermore, Hezbollah is deliberately targeting civilians. They are not firing at military targets and accidentally hitting civilians. They are deliberately targeting civilians. Israel is targeting Hezbollah's military capability, which Hezbollah deliberatly places in civilian populations knowing that inevitably the result of Israel's attacks on Hezbollah's legitimate military targets will result in civilian casualties, civilian casualties that serve Hezbollah's purposes in turning world opinion against Israel.

dayan

thankyougrandma wrote:

2 weeks of bombing sure doesn't help the country's infrastructure, i guess Israel bomb are clean and don't destroy anything, they just destroyed Hezbollah fighters, they're intelligent bomb, funny shit...

I never said Israel's bombs didn't do damage. I simply said that it seems unlikely that travel was impossible.

jsand

thankyougrandma wrote:

2 weeks of bombing sure doesn't help the country's infrastructure, i guess Israel bomb are clean and don't destroy anything, they just destroyed Hezbollah fighters, they're intelligent bomb, funny shit...

Yup. Funny shit. You see a few buildings leveled on TV and assume the entire country's infrastucture has been destroyed. Funny shit.

jsand

dayan wrote:

There are a few differences however. Israel is targeting military targets deliberately situated in civilian areas by Hezbollah in response to Hezbollah's attack across Israel's recognized border. This Hezbollah attack, in which eight Israeli soldiers were killed and two kidnapped, has been universally recognized as the event that triggered this war. Before that event Israel was in no way attacking Lebanon. Furthermore, Hezbollah is deliberately targeting civilians. They are not firing at military targets and accidentally hitting civilians. They are deliberately targeting civilians. Israel is targeting Hezbollah's military capability, which Hezbollah deliberatly places in civilian populations knowing that inevitably the result of Israel's attacks on Hezbollah's legitimate military targets will result in civilian casualties, civilian casualties that serve Hezbollah's purposes in turning world opinion against Israel.

Don't even try...these people choose to believe what they want to believe - Israel is a terrorist state, blah blah blah. Throw facts and reasoning out the window.

Byrnzie

dayan wrote:

This Hezbollah attack, in which eight Israeli soldiers were killed and two kidnapped, has been universally recognized as the event that triggered this war. Before that event Israel was in no way attacking Lebanon.

This war was actually triggered by 58 years of Israeli aggression in the region, culminating in their re-invasion of Gaza. Finally an armed group in the region stood up in a show of sympathy for the Palestinians.

dkst0426

Byrnzie wrote:

I have not once quoted from prisonplanet or infowars.

I don't care if you quote directly from them or not.

My point since the beginning of this topic is this:

When it comes to the outrage shown towards the US government for the massive 9/11 conspiracy plot espoused by that site and others, certain folks are oh-so-quick to jump on that bandwagon because my gosh, it's the government, and it's conservative, and the President is a Christian. Such evil.

And yet, here we are with something similiar, though not as drastic, but still involving death, and this similiar plot could very well be doctored by a group which the same certain folks refuse to call what they are (Terrorists) and instead come up with some kum-ba-yah-happy-feely-PC term like "freedom fighters."

The silence so far from those certain folks is deafening.

thankyougrandma

dayan wrote:

I never said Israel's bombs didn't do damage. I simply said that it seems unlikely that travel was impossible.

So why do they travel now that the Israel airstrikes are suspended? please answer me cause i'm fucking clueless about what you mean, probably that Hezbollah were holding them hostage. It's easier to believe that 6000 alleged fighters are holding 500000 civillians in hostage, than to say that they can't leave cause they're either scared, don't have the means to go (New Orleans someone?), don't know where to go, whatever. I still don't get why you keep defending all this, killing a civilian is killing a civillian, even if there is a criminal behind him, simple concept.

dayan

Byrnzie wrote:

This war was actually triggered by 58 years of Israeli aggression in the region, culminating in their re-invasion of Gaza. Finally an armed group in the region stood up in a show of sympathy for the Palestinians.

You may think this, but here at least everyone else with half a brain disagrees. Or maybe you don't read the papers?

jsand

Byrnzie wrote:

This war was actually triggered by 58 years of Israeli aggression in the region,culminating in their re-invasion of Gaza.

Read: This war was actually triggered by 58 years of Israeli EXISTENCE.

Byrnzie wrote:

Finally an armed group in the region stood up in a show of sympathy for the Palestinians.

Are you in Hezbollah? Because I thought this latest attack on Israel was about Lebanese prisoners.

dayan

thankyougrandma wrote:

So why do they travel now that the Israel airstrikes are suspended? please answer me cause i'm fucking clueless about what you mean, probably that Hezbollah were holding them hostage. It's easier to believe that 6000 alleged fighters are holding 500000 civillians in hostage, than to say that they can't leave cause they're either scared, don't have the means to go (New Orleans someone?), don't know where to go, whatever. I still don't get why you keep defending all this, killing a civilian is killing a civillian, even if there is a criminal behind him, simple concept.

But it just isn't so simple. In terms of the tragedy of an innocent civilian losing his life you're right that civilian death is the same everywhere. However, there is a difference legally. Tragic as it is, civilian deaths are recognized as a reality of war. As such they are accepted as legal so long as civilians themselves were not specifically targeted, but died as, and I hate to use this term because I think it is callous, "collateral damage" associated with a strike on a legitimate military target. But you're right that civilian death is always tragic.