i'm attacking the tapes because i think that they are bogus, and are just being used by the gov't to push their story of "osama did it'.
If this is true however, don't ya think that the gov't would set it up so they would catch him, so they could toot their own horn? I mean, this isn't necessarily working for 'ol George, and his ratings are the lowest of any president in a really long time. I'm not sure the tapes are legit, I for one believe that all media is controlled by the gov't (as far as Al-jazeera though, I have no idea). BUT, I think that if 9/11 was pain-stakingly planned via conspiracy theory, I think it would be been better planned out. The Bush clan loves the Saudis, and flew them out of the country just after 9/11, when no other flights were allowed at all. To me, it's like "special favors to friends when things go wrong".
If this is true however, don't ya think that the gov't would set it up so they would catch him, so they could toot their own horn? I mean, this isn't necessarily working for 'ol George, and his ratings are the lowest of any president in a really long time.
actually, osama seems to be more useful while he's still "on the loose". it gives the administration something to wave around at the public when they need a distraction, or if they need to re-scare us in order to get support for things like the patriot act, wire-tapping, torture, war, etc. who knows, they may have osama already, saving that news for when they need it most. are maybe he's dead. who really knows? he's basically the emmanuel goldstein of the u.s. government - for those of you familiar with 1984. and i believe thats about all he has to do with 9/11.
I think that what DPrival78 is saying, is that if Bush et al want to hang 9/11 on Osama Bin Ladin (and I don't see any reason why he wouldn't be responsible), that they should at least make an effort to present false information that at least looks real.
Just like they posted the names of all of the hijackers...only to have a number of them show up quite alive.
Al Queda might be 100% responsible, kids...but why lie about it, and show phony tapes...or publish and then stick to a list of hijackers once you know that the list is wrong?
Something seriously stinks...and I'm not talking about the blind loyalty. It's one thing to be patriotic and love one's country. It's another thing entirely to not scrutinize information that has been proven to be incorrect or otherwise intentionally misleading...especially when it becomes justification for war.
BTW...civilian death toll...well over 10:1 in favor of America since military operations began.
So tell me...who are the terrorists again? The only guy who has killed more innocent civilains in Iraq is on trial for it.
of course the media told me. there are several of them and they all have said the same story. are they ALL lying? I havent had the pleasure of touring osama's cave myself, so if they said thats where they were, then I wil give them the benefit of the doubt. granted im not calling this viedo a smoking gun of proof, but I take it for whats its worth.
Not that I'm siding with the conspiracy folks, but I must comment this. That the media outlets tell the same story does not mean that it is not a lie. when you consider how many of them get their news from the same sources. And the newspeople dont lie knowingly, but if they are served a lie they think is truth, they all essentially lie.
I'm saying that a united press aren't necessarily giving you the truth, even if they agree among themselves. and I will share the scepticism of interpretation of a movie clip without sound when lip readers can't make it out. You dont know what it's about. Period. And neither does the press. But it is spun and framed in such a way as to generate headlines. "Laughing 9/11 hi-jackers" sell more papers than "tape found of some people, and we dont know what they're saying, but pretty sure they're terrorists".
So these tapes are at best inconclusive. Even if the people were the hi-jackers to be, what relevance is a film of them horsing around in front of camera years before 9/11? The implied sensationalist angle is "terrorist killers, and laughing about it", when the tapes supports little of it.
A little scepticism is usually not a bad idea.
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Dan
"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
Not that I'm siding with the conspiracy folks, but I must comment this. That the media outlets tell the same story does not mean that it is not a lie. when you consider how many of them get their news from the same sources. And the newspeople dont lie knowingly, but if they are served a lie they think is truth, they all essentially lie.
I'm saying that a united press aren't necessarily giving you the truth, even if they agree among themselves. and I will share the scepticism of interpretation of a movie clip without sound when lip readers can't make it out. You dont know what it's about. Period. And neither does the press. But it is spun and framed in such a way as to generate headlines. "Laughing 9/11 hi-jackers" sell more papers than "tape found of some people, and we dont know what they're saying, but pretty sure they're terrorists".
So these tapes are at best inconclusive. Even if the people were the hi-jackers to be, what relevance is a film of them horsing around in front of camera years before 9/11? The implied sensationalist angle is "terrorist killers, and laughing about it", when the tapes supports little of it.
A little scepticism is usually not a bad idea.
Peace
Dan
like I said, i'm not claiming this to be a smoking gun. this tape shows mohammad atta and Ziad Jarrah at a training camp in afgahistan. why else were they there? just stopping by to say morning prayers? I dont think so. and since when is it years before 9/11? video was shown as jan 2000. thats 13 months before the attacks.
like I said, i'm not claiming this to be a smoking gun. this tape shows mohammad atta and Ziad Jarrah at a training camp in afgahistan. why else were they there? just stopping by to say morning prayers? I dont think so. and since when is it years before 9/11? video was shown as jan 2000. thats 13 months before the attacks.
Alright then, a year before then, lose the s. I'm not sure what the point of the video is. Showing that there were some guys being trained in camps? We pretty much know there were. But the angle I have read is the one I was half-mocking, about "laughing terrorists" and linked up to the 9/11 tragedy, when the tape seems to have little relevancy to it, other than showing 2 hi-jackers-to-be fooling around with a cam a long time ahead. I dont see what this proves or disproves or what the excitement is about. Other than newspapers making some extra bucks on being allowed to put 9/11 on another headline.
My response was primarily aimed at your "well they can't all be lying" comment, to which I maintain "sure they can". And without being a conspiracy nut.
Maybe I missed something about it. What is the clip supposedly about, and why is it frontpage news? Other than the opportunity to cash in again om 9/11 stuff of course.
Peace
Dan
"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
Alright then, a year before then, lose the s. I'm not sure what the point of the video is. Showing that there were some guys being trained in camps? We pretty much know there were. But the angle I have read is the one I was half-mocking, about "laughing terrorists" and linked up to the 9/11 tragedy, when the tape seems to have little relevancy to it, other than showing 2 hi-jackers-to-be fooling around with a cam a long time ahead. I dont see what this proves or disproves or what the excitement is about. Other than newspapers making some extra bucks on being allowed to put 9/11 on another headline.
Peace
Dan
the point of the video? "It is the first time that a videotape has appeared of Mohammed Atta — who flew an American Airlines plane into the north tower of the World Trade Center — at a training camp in Afghanistan. It fills in a significant gap in the timing of the build-up to the attacks on the United States. "
some people here believe he wasnt even involved. they will tell you the planes were flown by remote control into the buildings.
and I see your point to "all of them lying". I, by no means, trust everything the main stream media says. I do trust them however over some wacky website made from one person and a few sources. i.e 911research .net. I have more trust in the media and the government then most people do. doesnt mean I wont question them however
"As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle."
scary you believe this.
It's almost as scary as Bush being such a devout Christian, yet waging illegal wars and wiping his ass with our constitution
the point of the video? It is the first time that a videotape has appeared of Mohammed Atta — who flew an American Airlines plane into the north tower of the World Trade Center — at a training camp in Afghanistan. It fills in a significant gap in the timing of the build-up to the attacks on the United States.
some people here believe he wasnt even involved. they will tell you the planes were flown by remote control into the buildings.
Not that I've seen the tapes (dont see much point without audio), but okay, they may support that if the man is identifiably Atta. Still pretty weak evidence though. If the audio was included with them talking about flying into the towers or whatever, you would have more of a case. As it is, mute shots of some guys believed to be the hi-jackers somewhere in a cave doesn't say too much one way or the other. Other than throwing at the conspiracy-mob who deny the hijackers' involvement. And, as I said, pretty weak even for that. I also thought all I read about it, was a bit much for an audio-less shot, and you are lead to interpret the shots in a certain way at once by the headlines and speculations.
That being said, the shots may well be of 2 of them talking about how they shall die gloriously and kill alot of westerners. But we dont know that, if even lipreaders make out nothing.
and I see your point to "all of them lying". I, by no means, trust everything the main stream media says. I do trust them however over some wacky website made from one person and a few sources. i.e 911research .net. I have more trust in the media and the government then most people do. doesnt mean I wont question them however
Oh, I dont trust any wacky web-site either at face value. And I trust the media to report what they do in certain predictable ways. Like a tabloid I usually skim over evry day. If exercise helps against certain ills, you can be certain the headline is "sex keeps you healthy" since sex can be counted as exercise. It's pathetic. And anything involving muslims, the middle east or what have you, you can be certain of over-exposure. you can rely on the media to sensationalize, and you can rely on governments to keep stories slanted the way they want for the most part.
But I do trust my government some part along the way, and trust the media to report what they are told from their sources. Doesn't mean you get the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
I think the main thing about this video, is for media outlets to make a couple of extra bucks from being able to sensationalize something related to 9/11. The tape is probably valid enough, but it doesn't really say anything, so I dont think it convinces anyone of anything new.
Peace
Dan
"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
scarier then believing osama bin laden is a model citizen who wouldnt dare tell a lie?
you can hate bush all you want, and ill continue to hate osama. fair enough
Dude, I hate Osama as well. I'd like to see the man very much dead. I do think it is very scary that some of the crazy things that George has done because "God told him to". Osama claims to be a devout Muslim, yet does all of this horrible shit in the name of his God. On the other hand, we have George claiming to be a re-born Christian, yet going against the very basics of the teachings of the bible.
that could be the most piss poor wording of a survery i've seen. For instance, if you believe the gov't hasn't said enough about that day you're obligated to choose yes about the conspiracy portion.
I agree! First, it fails to specify which conspiracies we're talking about. Second, as you pointed out, if you think the government hasn't been totally forthcoming you have to say you believe in the non-specified conspiracies. And if you don't believe in them, you're forced to say that conspiracy theories are disrespectful. A bullshit poll if ever I saw one.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
I agree! First, it fails to specify which conspiracies we're talking about. Second, as you pointed out, if you think the government hasn't been totally forthcoming you have to say you believe in the non-specified conspiracies. And if you don't believe in them, you're forced to say that conspiracy theories are disrespectful. A bullshit poll if ever I saw one.
it does specify, it says ANY of the conspiracies suggesting the us government was somehow involved...kinda like those polls about kennedy, they don't ask if you think the fbi did it, the mob, the cubans, the cia....altho i do agree about the disrespectful one and thought it woul dbe better if it were broken down to they haven't said enough or actual involvement instead of us involvement or not. but i don't think just b/c you think they haven't said enough means you believe in a conspiracy. the original question is pretty straight forward do YOU believe ANY of the conspiracies involving the US government being involved? while the little sub answers after the initial yes or no are weird in places it does seem like a straight forward question.
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
it does specify, it says ANY of the conspiracies suggesting the us government was somehow involved...kinda like those polls about kennedy, they don't ask if you think the fbi did it, the mob, the cubans, the cia....altho i do agree about the disrespectful one and thought it woul dbe better if it were broken down to they haven't said enough or actual involvement instead of us involvement or not. but i don't think just b/c you think they haven't said enough means you believe in a conspiracy. the original question is pretty straight forward do YOU believe ANY of the conspiracies involving the US government being involved? while the little sub answers after the initial yes or no are weird in places it does seem like a straight forward question.
if they wanted to truly know, unbiased, if people believed in conspiracy theories they should have left it yes or no and not put the qulaifiers in it. Then you get a true response from people if they believe them...when you qualify it with the gov't is withholding info or they are disrespectful you are questioning emotion and you're contaminating the question.
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What scares the hell out of me is the fact that so many believe that our government would actually be involved in an atrocity such as 9/11...If you feel the government would try to pull this off for what ever sick reason you can make up, how do you leaave the house everyday...or maybe you dont...maybe you just stay huddled up in a corner with the beleif that everyone is out to get you....I dont know, but the conspiracy nuts are exactly that...FUCKING NUTS.....PERIOD...NOW GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY COUNTRY!
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What scares the hell out of me is the fact that so many believe that our government would actually be involved in an atrocity such as 9/11...If you feel the government would try to pull this off for what ever sick reason you can make up, how do you leaave the house everyday...or maybe you dont...maybe you just stay huddled up in a corner with the beleif that everyone is out to get you....I dont know, but the conspiracy nuts are exactly that...FUCKING NUTS.....PERIOD...NOW GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY COUNTRY!
we can all learn something new. do some research on PNAC. don't think your country is so innocent.
you always mention the PNAC. they are a controversial group promoting america dominance. what proof do you have they were involved in 9/11. other then you dont like the group. that doesnt count
What scares the hell out of me is the fact that so many believe that our government would actually be involved in an atrocity such as 9/11...If you feel the government would try to pull this off for what ever sick reason you can make up, how do you leaave the house everyday...or maybe you dont...maybe you just stay huddled up in a corner with the beleif that everyone is out to get you....I dont know, but the conspiracy nuts are exactly that...FUCKING NUTS.....PERIOD...NOW GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY COUNTRY!
Please debate why you disagree with the conspiracies and not the people who may believe them. It's very disrespectful and take takes zero intellect to simply call names.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
and I see your point to "all of them lying". I, by no means, trust everything the main stream media says. I do trust them however over some wacky website made from one person and a few sources. i.e 911research .net. I have more trust in the media and the government then most people do. doesnt mean I wont question them however
Dude, you posted a link from an extremely biased right-wing site. And you say that you don't trust everything the main stream media says? But you believe "Free Republic?" Try thinking for yourself, here.
Dude, you posted a link from an extremely biased right-wing site. And you say that you don't trust everything the main stream media says? But you believe "Free Republic?" Try thinking for yourself, here.
It's clear to see that if you look around the freerepublic web page, you can see what side they are on. I'm sure they are just "some wacky website made from one person and a few sources".
In your own words:
"I do trust them (jlew24asu source) however over some wacky website made from one person and a few sources. i.e 911research .net."
In Free Republics own words:
"Free Republic is the premier online gathering place for independent, grass-roots conservatism on the web. We're working to roll back decades of governmental largesse, to root out political fraud and corruption, and to champion causes which further conservatism in America. And we always have fun doing it. Hoo-yah! "
It's clear to see that if you look around the freerepublic web page, you can see what side they are on. I'm sure they are just "some wacky website made from one person and a few sources".
In your own words:
"I do trust them (jlew24asu source) however over some wacky website made from one person and a few sources. i.e 911research .net."
every major network, newspaper, radio station, and website, left and right, reported the story of the laughing mohammad atta tape. excuse me for using a "right wing" website.
truthout.org... you know that's the only acceptable website here
That goes both ways. Mainstream is for entertainment, basically. The independent sites will always have their slants. It doesn't mean everything posted on them should be dismissed simply because of the site? Info should have merit based on truthfulness. It's quite lazy to dismiss something without even reading it or looking into it further.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
That goes both ways. Mainstream is for entertainment, basically. The independent sites will always have their slants. It doesn't mean everything posted on them should be dismissed simply because of the site? Info should have merit based on truthfulness. It's quite lazy to dismiss something without even reading it or looking into it further.
I'm not even going to read this
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every major network, left and right, reported the story of the laughing mohammad atta tape. excuse me for using a "right wing" website.
I think he was getting at is that, in the past you have been known to downplay news from other websites, and then you post news from a website like that.
I think he was getting at is that, in the past you have been known to downplay news from other websites, and then you post news from a website like that.
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If this is true however, don't ya think that the gov't would set it up so they would catch him, so they could toot their own horn? I mean, this isn't necessarily working for 'ol George, and his ratings are the lowest of any president in a really long time. I'm not sure the tapes are legit, I for one believe that all media is controlled by the gov't (as far as Al-jazeera though, I have no idea). BUT, I think that if 9/11 was pain-stakingly planned via conspiracy theory, I think it would be been better planned out. The Bush clan loves the Saudis, and flew them out of the country just after 9/11, when no other flights were allowed at all. To me, it's like "special favors to friends when things go wrong".
actually, osama seems to be more useful while he's still "on the loose". it gives the administration something to wave around at the public when they need a distraction, or if they need to re-scare us in order to get support for things like the patriot act, wire-tapping, torture, war, etc. who knows, they may have osama already, saving that news for when they need it most. are maybe he's dead. who really knows? he's basically the emmanuel goldstein of the u.s. government - for those of you familiar with 1984. and i believe thats about all he has to do with 9/11.
watch this clip from 'loose change' a good doc. about 911. this is a short clip discussing the confession video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk519bkcLjg
Just like they posted the names of all of the hijackers...only to have a number of them show up quite alive.
Al Queda might be 100% responsible, kids...but why lie about it, and show phony tapes...or publish and then stick to a list of hijackers once you know that the list is wrong?
Something seriously stinks...and I'm not talking about the blind loyalty. It's one thing to be patriotic and love one's country. It's another thing entirely to not scrutinize information that has been proven to be incorrect or otherwise intentionally misleading...especially when it becomes justification for war.
BTW...civilian death toll...well over 10:1 in favor of America since military operations began.
So tell me...who are the terrorists again? The only guy who has killed more innocent civilains in Iraq is on trial for it.
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Not that I'm siding with the conspiracy folks, but I must comment this. That the media outlets tell the same story does not mean that it is not a lie. when you consider how many of them get their news from the same sources. And the newspeople dont lie knowingly, but if they are served a lie they think is truth, they all essentially lie.
I'm saying that a united press aren't necessarily giving you the truth, even if they agree among themselves. and I will share the scepticism of interpretation of a movie clip without sound when lip readers can't make it out. You dont know what it's about. Period. And neither does the press. But it is spun and framed in such a way as to generate headlines. "Laughing 9/11 hi-jackers" sell more papers than "tape found of some people, and we dont know what they're saying, but pretty sure they're terrorists".
So these tapes are at best inconclusive. Even if the people were the hi-jackers to be, what relevance is a film of them horsing around in front of camera years before 9/11? The implied sensationalist angle is "terrorist killers, and laughing about it", when the tapes supports little of it.
A little scepticism is usually not a bad idea.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
like I said, i'm not claiming this to be a smoking gun. this tape shows mohammad atta and Ziad Jarrah at a training camp in afgahistan. why else were they there? just stopping by to say morning prayers? I dont think so. and since when is it years before 9/11? video was shown as jan 2000. thats 13 months before the attacks.
My response was primarily aimed at your "well they can't all be lying" comment, to which I maintain "sure they can". And without being a conspiracy nut.
Maybe I missed something about it. What is the clip supposedly about, and why is it frontpage news? Other than the opportunity to cash in again om 9/11 stuff of course.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
the point of the video? "It is the first time that a videotape has appeared of Mohammed Atta — who flew an American Airlines plane into the north tower of the World Trade Center — at a training camp in Afghanistan. It fills in a significant gap in the timing of the build-up to the attacks on the United States. "
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1711389/posts
some people here believe he wasnt even involved. they will tell you the planes were flown by remote control into the buildings.
and I see your point to "all of them lying". I, by no means, trust everything the main stream media says. I do trust them however over some wacky website made from one person and a few sources. i.e 911research .net. I have more trust in the media and the government then most people do. doesnt mean I wont question them however
It's almost as scary as Bush being such a devout Christian, yet waging illegal wars and wiping his ass with our constitution
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
That being said, the shots may well be of 2 of them talking about how they shall die gloriously and kill alot of westerners. But we dont know that, if even lipreaders make out nothing.
Oh, I dont trust any wacky web-site either at face value. And I trust the media to report what they do in certain predictable ways. Like a tabloid I usually skim over evry day. If exercise helps against certain ills, you can be certain the headline is "sex keeps you healthy" since sex can be counted as exercise. It's pathetic. And anything involving muslims, the middle east or what have you, you can be certain of over-exposure. you can rely on the media to sensationalize, and you can rely on governments to keep stories slanted the way they want for the most part.
But I do trust my government some part along the way, and trust the media to report what they are told from their sources. Doesn't mean you get the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
I think the main thing about this video, is for media outlets to make a couple of extra bucks from being able to sensationalize something related to 9/11. The tape is probably valid enough, but it doesn't really say anything, so I dont think it convinces anyone of anything new.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
scarier then believing osama bin laden is a model citizen who wouldnt dare tell a lie?
you can hate bush all you want, and ill continue to hate osama. fair enough
"Autopsy: No Arabs on Flight 77":
http://www.sierratimes.com/03/07/02/article_tro.htm
Dude, I hate Osama as well. I'd like to see the man very much dead. I do think it is very scary that some of the crazy things that George has done because "God told him to". Osama claims to be a devout Muslim, yet does all of this horrible shit in the name of his God. On the other hand, we have George claiming to be a re-born Christian, yet going against the very basics of the teachings of the bible.
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
it does specify, it says ANY of the conspiracies suggesting the us government was somehow involved...kinda like those polls about kennedy, they don't ask if you think the fbi did it, the mob, the cubans, the cia....altho i do agree about the disrespectful one and thought it woul dbe better if it were broken down to they haven't said enough or actual involvement instead of us involvement or not. but i don't think just b/c you think they haven't said enough means you believe in a conspiracy. the original question is pretty straight forward do YOU believe ANY of the conspiracies involving the US government being involved? while the little sub answers after the initial yes or no are weird in places it does seem like a straight forward question.
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
if they wanted to truly know, unbiased, if people believed in conspiracy theories they should have left it yes or no and not put the qulaifiers in it. Then you get a true response from people if they believe them...when you qualify it with the gov't is withholding info or they are disrespectful you are questioning emotion and you're contaminating the question.
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!
- Benjamin Franklin
If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die, I want to go where they went.
-Will Rogers
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its scary. I agree
you can't say shit like that.
it is not reasoned debate and discussion.
we can all learn something new. do some research on PNAC. don't think your country is so innocent.
~Ron Burgundy
you always mention the PNAC. they are a controversial group promoting america dominance. what proof do you have they were involved in 9/11. other then you dont like the group. that doesnt count
Please debate why you disagree with the conspiracies and not the people who may believe them. It's very disrespectful and take takes zero intellect to simply call names.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Dude, you posted a link from an extremely biased right-wing site. And you say that you don't trust everything the main stream media says? But you believe "Free Republic?" Try thinking for yourself, here.
please enlighten me o great one
It's clear to see that if you look around the freerepublic web page, you can see what side they are on. I'm sure they are just "some wacky website made from one person and a few sources".
In your own words:
"I do trust them (jlew24asu source) however over some wacky website made from one person and a few sources. i.e 911research .net."
In Free Republics own words:
"Free Republic is the premier online gathering place for independent, grass-roots conservatism on the web. We're working to roll back decades of governmental largesse, to root out political fraud and corruption, and to champion causes which further conservatism in America. And we always have fun doing it. Hoo-yah! "
HOO YAH
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
truthout.org... you know that's the only acceptable website here
every major network, newspaper, radio station, and website, left and right, reported the story of the laughing mohammad atta tape. excuse me for using a "right wing" website.
That goes both ways. Mainstream is for entertainment, basically. The independent sites will always have their slants. It doesn't mean everything posted on them should be dismissed simply because of the site? Info should have merit based on truthfulness. It's quite lazy to dismiss something without even reading it or looking into it further.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I'm not even going to read this
I think he was getting at is that, in the past you have been known to downplay news from other websites, and then you post news from a website like that.
Just looks kind of hypocritical...
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
ok point taken