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  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    miller8966 wrote:
    And its not liek the palestinians have greeted them with open arms....every palestinian that takes up arms against israel deserves to have their home bulldozed.

    Before the zionists stole the land, jewish people were coming to palestine AND were greeted for the most part with "open arms".

    It was the creation of israel that turned it around.
    I mean if you let someone into your home (as the palestinians did for the jewish people) and then you get kicked out of your own home (as the zionists did to the palestinians) what would you do?
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    miller8966 wrote:
    it was the jews land first actually. And its not liek the palestinians have greeted them with open arms....every palestinian that takes up arms against israel deserves to have their home bulldozed.


    - israel kills roughly 5 palestinian children for every 1 israeli child killed by a palestinian

    - a high % of palestinian children suffer from malnutrition largely b/c of the road blocks, checkpoints...

    as for the 'open arms' comment...when did this intfiada start? when sharon marched into the 3rd holiest site in islam w/ 1,000 soldiers then reoccupies palestinian territories...
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • VivaPalestina
    VivaPalestina Posts: 225
    miller8966 wrote:
    it was the jews land first actually. And its not liek the palestinians have greeted them with open arms....every palestinian that takes up arms against israel deserves to have their home bulldozed.

    The jews' land first, what is this the second grade? Let say it was the jews land, what jews? the jews of 2000+ years ago, and all these jews in Palestine now they are descendants of these jews? And you can prove this I am sure. The torah is not a real estate document. Welcome the colonizers with open arms? Does Emily Post have a section on this in her book of etiquette, Well then, I am still waiting for my bundt cake. The Palestinians have no choice to take up arms and yet many of them don't and they still get there homes bulldozed.
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    purrmo wrote:
    The Palestinians have no choice to take up arms and yet many of them don't and they still get there homes bulldozed.

    ........

    from the start of the intifada (9.28.00) to 9.15.05 the IDF killed 3315 Palestinians compared to 972 Israelis.
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    El_Kabong wrote:
    ........

    from the start of the intifada (9.28.00) to 9.15.05 the IDF killed 3315 Palestinians compared to 972 Israelis.

    Yeah but you seem to be going by the premiss that both lives are = when infact the life of an israeli seems to be worth more, so technically more israelis have died.

    It's pretty simple really,
  • ilana
    ilana Posts: 78
    purrmo wrote:
    The jews' land first, what is this the second grade? Let say it was the jews land, what jews? the jews of 2000+ years ago, and all these jews in Palestine now they are descendants of these jews? And you can prove this I am sure. The torah is not a real estate document. Welcome the colonizers with open arms? Does Emily Post have a section on this in her book of etiquette, Well then, I am still waiting for my bundt cake. The Palestinians have no choice to take up arms and yet many of them don't and they still get there homes bulldozed.
    hi
    it can be proved that the jews of today are direct decendents(exept of couse for converts) i know rabbis who can trace thire line right the way back
    the arabs that call themselves palastinians have every chance to stop the war
    if they put down thire wheapons and started negotions, thire could be peace
    if israel put down its wheapons the arab countrys would wipe them out.
    and about the torah being a real estate document,the three religeons surounding this conflict all believe that the torah is the word of G-D, all believe G-D created the world, and as G-D created the world he can give any part of it to who ever he likes
    the idf might destroy thr homes of terrorists and inocent people my get hurt but the arabs dilibaratlly target inocent civilians hoping to take with them as many inocent people as posible, its a war people die in wars
  • miller8966
    miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    The palestinians do not make intelligent decisions that make the wolrd think they want peace; just look at who they choose in leadership.

    Arafat? LOL i laughed my ass off when they bulldozed his compound. He was a terrorist who right now is hopefully rotting in the lower pits of hell. Why didnt he accept the peace treaty before the 2nd intifada?

    Hamas? Oh yea great choice there for legitimacy. lol. Remember when israel blew that guy from lord of the rings wheel chair up, lol.
    America...the greatest Country in the world.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    miller8966 wrote:
    The palestinians do not make intelligent decisions that make the wolrd think they want peace; just look at who they choose in leadership.

    Arafat? LOL i laughed my ass off when they bulldozed his compound. He was a terrorist who right now is hopefully rotting in the lower pits of hell. Why didnt he accept the peace treaty before the 2nd intifada?

    Hamas? Oh yea great choice there for legitimacy. lol. Remember when israel blew that guy from lord of the rings wheel chair up, lol.

    What about Arial Sharon, here's the guy that says he will kill anyone he wants. Including Americans.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • yosi1
    yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    DPrival78 wrote:

    what were they celebrating on 9/11 then? 3000 people died (of which an astonishing low number were israeli..).

    That is the most absurd argument I've ever heard. There were also very few Arabs who died, and very few Germans, and English people, and French, and the list goes on. Why is it so surprising that few Israeli's died. The attack happened in the US. Not Israel.
    you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane.
  • yosi1
    yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    Ahnimus wrote:
    What about Arial Sharon, here's the guy that says he will kill anyone he wants. Including Americans.

    Ariel Sharon may not be the world's greatest human being, but he is certainly better than the Palestinian leadership.
    you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane.
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    yosi wrote:
    That is the most absurd argument I've ever heard. There were also very few Arabs who died, and very few Germans, and English people, and French, and the list goes on. Why is it so surprising that few Israeli's died. The attack happened in the US. Not Israel.


    arabs, germans, english, french...ppl didn't get text messages 2 hours beforehand warning them about the attack.

    an arab, german, english, french...person didn't own the moving company that employed the dancing israeli's in question then flee the country immediately afterwards even leaving customers possesions locked up in storage.

    so tell me, if there was a bombing somewhere that killed israelis and a group of arabs were seen dancing in the street as the building burned giving each other high fives and then their boss fled the country...or if you heard a group of arabs received a text message 2 hours before the bombing warning them about it...would you think it was all just a coincidence? of course you wouldn't
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    ilana wrote:
    the idf might destroy thr homes of terrorists and inocent people my get hurt but the arabs dilibaratlly target inocent civilians hoping to take with them as many inocent people as posible, its a war people die in wars


    ahem...the idf kills 5 palestinian children for every 1 israeli child killed by palestinians...the idf kills 3-4 palestinian adults for every 1 israeli adult killed by palestinians...just the 5:1 figure alone is horrible...how can you honestly justify something like that????
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • rightondude
    rightondude Posts: 745
    miller8966 wrote:
    Remember when israel blew that guy from lord of the rings wheel chair up, lol.

    What? lol... I want to see this.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    yosi wrote:
    Ariel Sharon may not be the world's greatest human being, but he is certainly better than the Palestinian leadership.

    He funded the Hamas!
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • VivaPalestina
    VivaPalestina Posts: 225
    ilana wrote:
    hi
    it can be proved that the jews of today are direct decendents(exept of couse for converts) i know rabbis who can trace thire line right the way back
    the arabs that call themselves palastinians have every chance to stop the war
    if they put down thire wheapons and started negotions, thire could be peace
    if israel put down its wheapons the arab countrys would wipe them out.
    and about the torah being a real estate document,the three religeons surounding this conflict all believe that the torah is the word of G-D, all believe G-D created the world, and as G-D created the world he can give any part of it to who ever he likes
    the idf might destroy thr homes of terrorists and inocent people my get hurt but the arabs dilibaratlly target inocent civilians hoping to take with them as many inocent people as posible, its a war people die in wars

    How can you can you prove that, do you have the DNA of those who lived 3,000 years ago? The rabbi you mentioned is one jew, the majority of Jews living in Palestine have no connection what so ever to Palestine. Many Palestinians can trace their lineage, just like your one rabbi, to the Philistines and the Canaanites who were there over 3,000 years ago. That aside, how do
    you kick out close to a million people and say "we were here 3,000 years ago," what kind of injustice is that? The torah and the bible are irrevelant, democracy is the separation of church and state, the torah is not admissable in any court of law. It is not a real estate document. What is admissable are the TITLES to the hundreds of miles of Palestinian lands and homes that Palestians own, and still have. You can not talk about justice and peace for jews, when the israeli government continues to steal land, continues to occupy and oppress Palestinians. They want their freedom, just like the Jews want their freedom. The jews have been targeting innocent, unarmed Palestinians since before 1948. The Palestinians have no arms, they were denied the right to bear arms by the British and are now denied the right to bear arms by the jews. This is an unfair and unjust occupation and until you have lived in their shoes, then you can judge their actions. If you lived under their conditions, Gods know what any of us would do. That is right, people die in wars and the usurping of another's land is an act of war, and if you put you, your family and your children in a dangerous situation and usurp lands and lives, then expect retaliation. The Palestinians have no choice, this is their home and they have every right to defend it and gain back what is rightfully theirs. The Palestinians don't owe the Jews peace, it is the other way around. When there is justice for ALL there will be peace.
  • redsdisease
    redsdisease Posts: 147
    I hope that Americans who claim that Israel belongs to the Jews because they lived there 2000 years ago, are prepared to give their homes to the Native Americans.

    Anyways, this will never be resolved because both sides refuse to compromise. I can't stand stubborn assholes...
    Jimmy Carter has disco fever.
  • miller8966
    miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    Im so sick of hearing about the plight of the palestinians...i dont care what happens to them. No one else in the middle east wants them...somehow this issue has come ot the world stage.

    I DONT CaRE
    America...the greatest Country in the world.
  • rightondude
    rightondude Posts: 745
    Who was it that just recently changed their signature from "I support George Bush and the war on terror"?

    someone did...
  • VivaPalestina
    VivaPalestina Posts: 225
    redsdisease wrote:
    I hope that Americans who claim that Israel belongs to the Jews because they lived there 2000 years ago, are prepared to give their homes to the Native Americans.

    Anyways, this will never be resolved because both sides refuse to compromise. I can't stand stubborn assholes...

    How can you compromise or create peace when the historical standpoint is one of that of thief and victim of the crime. How can they trust each other, the thief wants to keep all that he has lied and killed for, but yet we ask the Palestinians, "Give up what is rightfully yours (to go back to your home)" "Make concessions," etc.
    I come to your home and take it, you are going to want it back, right? Yes? Well then, lets comprimise!!! I am guessing you would refuse, too. And I am sure a lot of people who don't know you, don't know what you have been through, would want you to comprise so we don't have to hear about it anymore and think you are a stubborn asshole for refusing to do so.
  • VivaPalestina
    VivaPalestina Posts: 225
    miller8966 wrote:
    Im so sick of hearing about the plight of the palestinians...i dont care what happens to them. No one else in the middle east wants them...somehow this issue has come ot the world stage.

    I DONT CaRE

    Then why are you on this thread making comments, if you don't care. Get the fuck off or be prepared to defend your statments. It is on the world stage because human rights is a world issue. Because for the past 50+ years israel has been trying to convince the world that they are just an innocent nation being attacked. "No one in the middle east wants them." They don't have to want them, they don't have to take them, it is not their responsiblity. It is the responsiblity of israel and no one else. Why should the Palestinians pay with their lives and land, and then have other Arab countries pay again.

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