zionism and 911

Ahnimus

ilana wrote:

hi im a zionist and a jew
and any jew who celebrates pass over, and at the end says next year in jerusalem, is also a zionist
we dont have horns and a tail
we are the same as every one else
not everything that gos wrong in the world is a big jewish zionist conspiricy

Does the Talmud and Encyclopedia Judaica portray Goyyim as beasts?

Do Jews believe they are the chosen ones? above any gentile?

Does Israel have a right to slaughter Palestinians and take over their land?

Do you follow the teachings of the hypocritical pharisees?

IndianSummer

Ahnimus wrote:

Not true either. Palestine was occupied mostly by Arabs, the Jews occupied a small part of Jerusalem before they were banished. Certainly they did not occupy even as much as 50% of palestine.

jews founded jerusalem dear.

ilana

Ahnimus wrote:

Does the Talmud and Encyclopedia Judaica portray Goyyim as beasts?

Do Jews believe they are the chosen ones? above any gentile?

Does Israel have a right to slaughter Palestinians and take over their land?

Do you follow the teachings of the hypocritical pharisees?

hi ahnimus
im sorry you have such a poor understanding of judaism
people believe all sorts of rubbish about the jews, we have even been acused of cracker torture at one point
and no we dont see gentiles as beasts, heaven knows were you get these ridiculas ideas, it says that no where in the talmud, or any encyclopedia, hoever i know that according to islam i am an infidel and worse than beasts, and as for christianity, if you dont believe in there dead man god jesus, you will burn in hell fire
now this choseness thingy is a very misunderstood consept
i will try to explain, you see the jews are chosen not becouse we are better, we are chosen for a spisific responsibility, thats all choseness meens, we are supposed to be like the a kingdom of priests and a holly nation, so says the bible
but the gentiles are also chosen, in fact the first covenent was with the gentiles the children of noah, with just 7 comandment
dont pray to idols
dont blasphe
do not murder
do nor steal
no ilicit sexual behaviour adultery.......
dont be cruel to animals
and set up law courts to enforce all of the rest
follow those and you are considered a rightouse gentile
there is even a movement now that some people who have become disenchanted with the other faiths have joind, the noahides
now the thing about slautering palastinians and stealing what they claim is there land, its a war ,people die in wars
firstly in the 1800 the land was very sparslly populated, there was jews christions and arabs living there,
the zionist jews arrived in israel not as conquorers but as frightend persicuted people
realising a 2000 year old dream, to return home to the holy land that G-D had promised us, and all the prophets had prophised our return
we draind the malaria swamps, we built inferstructure, we made the land bloom.
now arabs seeing the new prosperity and echonomic opotunity swarmed in,
now the british had promised the jews a home land in the whole of palastine, including transjorden, but then decided to be fare to the arabs they gave them what today is jorden, so you see there already is a palastinian state. and you whant to talk about slauter, my two friends whent to a disco a guy blew him self up and one girl was killed the other badlly disfigured.
another familly a pregnant mother and her 3 small girls where driving in thire car, some palstinian gun men, aproached the car and shot them all
and little baby mitler pass shot dead by a palastinian gun man
i know palatinians are dieing to
but its up to them, if they stop killing my people, my people will be of no threat, but we cant stand by and whach our loved ones being killed and do nothing to defend them
now about the pharasees
who told you they were hypocrits? what made you come to that conclution.
the pharasees are the only jewish sect remaining exept for the karites but they are a small minority
dont believe every thing you here just becouse your bias, and you whant to believe it
there is alot of bullshit out there, i know, but what you appear to have heard is not true

IndianSummer

purrmo wrote:

And the european jews you were talking about in a previous post on this thread, they are the descendants of these jews that the romans threw out? The state of israel never existed before 1948, so the statement "israel always belonged to the jews," is false.

thats like saying germany did not exist cos the state of germany was founded in 1870 odd. but yes, the ashkenazi have both jewish and european blood/genes.

purrmo wrote:

They both use each other to attempt to keep the middle east in check,but for the most part, Iraq doesn't look so good for the US,

nor did vietnam which is why they did the cop out.

purrmo wrote:

and Israel is trying everything, (wall, checkpoints, etc.), but yet Hamas is in power. So much for a "threat" on any side.

well that should tell you just how dangerous hamas is. walls, checkposts nothing stops them from going after their agenda of wiping israel out.

purrmo wrote:

Staggering dependence, the US can't use Israel? Why can the US not use israel? And what staggering dependence?

the staggering dependence was explained in post 5 of this thread and also hinted at by sharon's quote in post 7 of this thread.

do you live in mars or do you not know anything about the top players in america's corporate scene, medical scene, political scene, media scene, science scene, et al?

El_Kabong

IndianSummer wrote:

i am sure they did.

a terrorist operation like 9/11 doesnt happen in one day. years of planning and little pieces of action were involved. often with terrorist operations it isnt known till the last moment what the actual intention is (i mean the clues/pieces of jigsaw are difficult to piece together until too late). so either israel knew about it at the very last moment, or they knew a clue or three beforehand and shared it with usa and no one could figure out what exactlt happened. israel asked the jews working in wtc to stay away just in case. (again if you know anything about terrorist operations, in any exchange of info/message between 2 colaborating terrorist parties will real dates, times or descriptions hardly be given.) israel and usa were left to conjecture. israel didnt take chances.

and balls to what they receie from usa - the usa receives the best human resource ever walked the earth from israel/jews.

but how did they know to warn israelis away from the wtc?? just to be safe???

you need to register to view the article from the washington post
http://www.newsbytes.com/news/01/170653.html

Instant Messages To Israel Warned Of WTC Attack

NEW YORK -- OFFICIALS at instant-messaging firm Odigo confirmed today that two employees received text messages warning of an attack on the World Trade Center two hours before terrorists crashed planes into the New York landmarks. Citing a pending investigation by law enforcement, the company declined to reveal the exact contents of the message or to identify the sender.

But Alex Diamandis, vice president of sales and marketing, confirmed that workers in Odigo's research and development and international sales office in Israel received a warning from another Odigo user approximately two hours prior to the first attack. Diamandis said the sender of the instant message was not personally known to the Odigo employees. Even though the company usually protects the privacy of users, the employees recorded the Internet protocol address of the message's sender to facilitate his or her identification.

Soon after the terrorist attacks on New York, the Odigo employees notified their management, who contacted Israeli security services. In turn, the FBI was informed of the instant message warning. FBI officials were not immediately available for comment today. The Odigo service includes a feature called People Finder that allows users to seek out and contact others based on certain interests or demographics. Diamandis said it was possible that the attack warning was broadcast to other Odigo members, but the company has not received reports of other recipients of the message.

In addition to operating its own messaging service network, Odigo has licensed its technology to over 100 service providers, portals, wireless carriers, and corporations, according to the company. Odigo is online at http://www.odigo.com .

© 2001 The Washington Post Company

IndianSummer

El_Kabong wrote:

but how did they know to warn israelis away from the wtc?? just to be safe???

yep.

in post 9/11 days usa often switched to amber alert and red alert but nothing happened. usa did that just to be safe. as did israel just before 9/11 - only their hunch was right.

TonyClifton

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fAoe26MaTew&search=israeli%20spying

DPrival78

good job tony. thanks

MrBrian

ilana wrote:

hi ahnimus
im sorry you have such a poor understanding of judaism
people believe all sorts of rubbish about the jews,
and no we dont see gentiles as beasts, heaven knows were you get these ridiculas ideas, it says that no where in the talmud, or any encyclopedia, hoever i know that according to islam i am an infidel and worse than beasts, and as for christianity,

I'm sorry you have such a poor understanding of islam, Islam refers to the jewish people as "people of the book" and are very respected

People Often misunderstand judaism just like you misunderstand Islam,

Nevertheless,

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

The rest of your post was just zionist propaganda.

Ahnimus

ilana wrote:

hi ahnimus
im sorry you have such a poor understanding of judaism
people believe all sorts of rubbish about the jews, we have even been acused of cracker torture at one point
and no we dont see gentiles as beasts, heaven knows were you get these ridiculas ideas, it says that no where in the talmud, or any encyclopedia, hoever i know that according to islam i am an infidel and worse than beasts, and as for christianity, if you dont believe in there dead man god jesus, you will burn in hell fire
now this choseness thingy is a very misunderstood consept
i will try to explain, you see the jews are chosen not becouse we are better, we are chosen for a spisific responsibility, thats all choseness meens, we are supposed to be like the a kingdom of priests and a holly nation, so says the bible
but the gentiles are also chosen, in fact the first covenent was with the gentiles the children of noah, with just 7 comandment
dont pray to idols
dont blasphe
do not murder
do nor steal
no ilicit sexual behaviour adultery.......
dont be cruel to animals
and set up law courts to enforce all of the rest
follow those and you are considered a rightouse gentile
there is even a movement now that some people who have become disenchanted with the other faiths have joind, the noahides
now the thing about slautering palastinians and stealing what they claim is there land, its a war ,people die in wars
firstly in the 1800 the land was very sparslly populated, there was jews christions and arabs living there,
the zionist jews arrived in israel not as conquorers but as frightend persicuted people
realising a 2000 year old dream, to return home to the holy land that G-D had promised us, and all the prophets had prophised our return
we draind the malaria swamps, we built inferstructure, we made the land bloom.
now arabs seeing the new prosperity and echonomic opotunity swarmed in,
now the british had promised the jews a home land in the whole of palastine, including transjorden, but then decided to be fare to the arabs they gave them what today is jorden, so you see there already is a palastinian state. and you whant to talk about slauter, my two friends whent to a disco a guy blew him self up and one girl was killed the other badlly disfigured.
another familly a pregnant mother and her 3 small girls where driving in thire car, some palstinian gun men, aproached the car and shot them all
and little baby mitler pass shot dead by a palastinian gun man
i know palatinians are dieing to
but its up to them, if they stop killing my people, my people will be of no threat, but we cant stand by and whach our loved ones being killed and do nothing to defend them
now about the pharasees
who told you they were hypocrits? what made you come to that conclution.
the pharasees are the only jewish sect remaining exept for the karites but they are a small minority
dont believe every thing you here just becouse your bias, and you whant to believe it
there is alot of bullshit out there, i know, but what you appear to have heard is not true

hahaha, ok, I read about gentiles being beasts in the Encyclopedia Judaica. I've read a lot of this stuff from the Talmud. The Talmud was written by the pharisees and Christ called them hipocrites.

Jordan was not part of Palestinian territory. The Brittish gave palestine to the Jews in 1948, not the 1800s. By 1967 Israel had completely taken over Palestine - Jordan has nothing to do with it. Tell me about the wall and rockets that recently have been fired into the gaza strip. I'm not getting this information from "Israel for dummies" I'm getting it from your own sources. Israeli people have condemned the wall, but it's still there! I like how you try to whitewash all this information with that crap you posted above. Take a trip on the UN website and you will see what I'm talking about. Check out Amnesty International or just talk to other Jews. I have no doubt that you know what I'm talking about. Painting Jewish people as golden fingers to the land doesn't change the fact that you took the land. Funded by the United States and Brittain it's no wonder you have good agriculture, meanwhile Israel continues to vote NO on UN aid to palestine. Where the fuck did you learn about this stuff?

miller8966

The anti-jewish conspiracy on the MT makes me feel like im living in germany in the 1930's. Its sickening...which is why ill always support the jews over the palestinians.

DPrival78

miller8966 wrote:

The anti-jewish conspiracy on the MT makes me feel like im living in germany in the 1930's. Its sickening...which is why ill always support the jews over the palestinians.

there is no anti-jew conspiracy here.. people are just calling into question the behavior of the government of israel and bringing up the topic of zionism.

Ahnimus

DPrival78 wrote:

there is no anti-jew conspiracy here.. people are just calling into question the behavior of the government of israel and bringing up the topic of zionism.

Miller just talks out of his ass, he doesn't make any effort to understand anything.

DPrival78

Ahnimus wrote:

Miller just talks out of his ass, he doesn't make any effort to understand anything.

maybe.. but that reaction is so common. if you question israel, you hate all jews and you are a nazi. its ridiculous

miller8966

Ahnimus wrote:

Miller just talks out of his ass, he doesn't make any effort to understand anything.

The article that you posted on the front page is the biggest load of shit ive ever read. Its filled with racism; blaming the jews for ww1 ww2 and pretty much every other conflict after it.

Ahnimus

miller8966 wrote:

The article that you posted on the front page is the biggest load of shit ive ever read. Its filled with racism; blaming the jews for ww1 ww2 and pretty much every other conflict after it.

No, it isn't dumbass. Sorry for calling you names, but get a fucking grip.

VivaPalestina

IndianSummer wrote:

thats like saying germany did not exist cos the state of germany was founded in 1870 odd. but yes, the ashkenazi have both jewish and european blood/genes.?

Well it didn't exist, it was Prussia. Your premise is flawed because there have always been germanic people in the area of prussia/germany, but there haven't always been eastern europeans, russians and polish(etc) jews in Palestine. And how do you prove that the ashkenazi have blood lines from two thousand years ago, The torah is not a real estate document.

IndianSummer wrote:

nor did vietnam which is why they did the cop out.

Regardless, the US is still the most powerful nation on earth, not israel.

IndianSummer wrote:

well that should tell you just how dangerous hamas is. walls, checkposts nothing stops them from going after their agenda of wiping israel out.?

That is right, nothing will stop the Palestinians, they will resist, no matter what israel does, they will fight, they know they are in the right and nothing will stop them. Hamas is less dangerous than the israeli government. The israeli government has killed and imprisoned and oppressed thousands and yet they are worried about Hamas who has less than a quarter of the power that Israel does. Their agenda is to gain back what is rightfully theirs and nothing can stop them from obtaining the justice they know they deserve.

IndianSummer wrote:

he staggering dependence was explained in post 5 of this thread and also hinted at by sharon's quote in post 7 of this thread.

What you explained is accomplishments by american jews, not israelis. These "top players" are not israelis. And you are trying to connect those accomplishments to the Sharon quote which have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Sharon is an israeli, not an american jew, i am pretty sure when he said what he did, he didn't have computers, medicine and Bobby Fischer in mind.

VivaPalestina

For Ilana,

For your three stories of "slaughter" I have hundreds more, beginning before 1948, when the Jews decided to create a state on someone else's land. The creation of the state of Israel meant the usurping of the Palesitinians' land, homes and livelihood. All who come to israel know that it wasn't an empty piece of land just waiting for them, there was a people and when you take their land you are taking their livelihood and that is an ACT OF WAR. There are no innocent israelis, those who have decided to come to Palestine and all those who will decide to come, know that it is an act of aggression. The only innocents are the children who are forced by their parents into a dangerous situation. They are the ones responsible for their childrens' death, not the Palestinians. "Stop killing my people," please, then tell your people to get out and go home to germany, russia, etc. Palestinians have lived in Palestine for generations and to believe that it was sparsely populated is a myth, that it was nothing but desert is a myth.
In fifty years, the jews have turned the desert into gardens? Whoa this is bigger than the parting of the red sea, the jews get all the miracles.You want to live, then go elsewhere, don't come to my home, my backyard and live. When there will be justice for all, there will be peace.

miller8966

purrmo wrote:

For Ilana,

For your three stories of "slaughter" I have hundreds more, beginning before 1948, when the Jews decided to create a state on someone else's land. The creation of the state of Israel meant the usurping of the Palesitinians' land, homes and livelihood. All who come to israel know that it wasn't an empty piece of land just waiting for them, there was a people and when you take their land you are taking their livelihood and that is an ACT OF WAR. There are no innocent israelis, those who have decided to come to Palestine and all those who will decide to come, know that it is an act of aggression. The only innocents are the children who are forced by their parents into a dangerous situation. When there will be justice for all, there will be peace.

it was the jews land first actually. And its not liek the palestinians have greeted them with open arms....every palestinian that takes up arms against israel deserves to have their home bulldozed.

Ahnimus

miller8966 wrote:

it was the jews land first actually. And its not liek the palestinians have greeted them with open arms....every palestinian that takes up arms against israel deserves to have their home bulldozed.

It was NOT israel's land first. Show me some PROOF.