zionism and 911

redsdisease

Ahnimus wrote:

I hate that word. This is not anti-semitic. People and there damn labels.

But it's not a very big stretch, going from anti-zionist to anti-semitic. That's why anti-zionism has long been a sucessful tool of racists. Was I wrong calling you guys anti-semites, yes and I'm sorry. However, you need to be very careful, especially since that article is complete bullshit.

DPrival78

redsdisease wrote:

But it's not a very big stretch, going from anti-zionist to anti-semitic. That's why anti-zionism has long been a sucessful tool of racists. Was I wrong calling you guys anti-semites, yes and I'm sorry. However, you need to be very careful, especially since that article is complete bullshit.

apology accepted. i am not anti-semetic, but yes that label gets thrown around like crazy anytime anyone criticizes israel.

you say that article is bullshit.. care to expound a little? did the lavon affair not happen? were those mossad agents not really celebrating the wtc attacks?

IndianSummer

MrBrian wrote:

But none of the things these terrorist groups do are good things, nothings good about mossad being able to sneak into countries and kill people.

Yeah they are good at it, but it's a bad thing they are good at.

sorry but the mossad kills terrorists. they hunt down ex nazis, perpetrators of munich ollympics murders, other arab terrorists like the one they shot down using a rocket.

they dont go to other countries and napalm them or carpet bomb the citizens like usa did in vietnam or is now doing in iraq.

rendition is ok. er.. rampage isnt.

as for everyday spying, all countries do it on others or at least try to. only that the mossad is very god at it.

El_Kabong

DPrival78 wrote:

if you have some time, here's an interesting read - a little history of 'zionism' and it's influence on american culture and government, and it's possible role in terrorist acts including 911 and others.

kinda makes you wonder who our real enemies are:

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_STF.htm

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html

if you click on the footnotes somewhere in there is a newspaper article and the court proceedings against the moving company these israelis worked for. after they got detained the owner of the moving company (another israeli) fled the country...customers had to sue to get their stuff out of the moving company's storage area. i wonder why he would flee the country like that leaving customers stuff locked up??

IndianSummer

so what are u two, prival and kabong trying to imply??

israel committed 9/11 ??

DPrival78

IndianSummer wrote:

sorry but the mossad kills terrorists. they hunt down ex nazis, perpetrators of munich ollympics murders, other arab terrorists like the one they shot down using a rocket.

so they were targeting terrorists when planting those bombs in american installations in egypt in the 50's?

what were they celebrating on 9/11 then? 3000 people died (of which an astonishing low number were israeli..), were they all terrorists?

instead of saying that the mossad kills terrorists, i think it may be more accurate to say that they are terrorists.

DPrival78

IndianSummer wrote:

so what are u two, prival and kabong trying to imply??

israel committed 9/11 ??

i'm saying that the precedent is there.. enough for it to be throughly investigated. we know these people celebrating were mossad. we know they were driving around in a van containing a large amount of cash, arab dress, and traces of explosives. we know the company they supposedly worked for was completely abandoned shortly after they were picked up (and then sent back to israel never to be heard from again). just a tad suspicious, no?
the mossad has an undeniable history of impersonating arabs and committing terrorist-type acts in attempts to turn the world, and particularly the u.s. military, against the arab world, and generate sympathy for israel. when asked what the 911 attacks meant for israel shortly after they took place, benjamin netanyahu said they were "very good".
i don't believe the idea of israeli involvement is at all far-fetched.

IndianSummer

DPrival78 wrote:

instead of saying that the mossad kills terrorists, i think it may be more accurate to say that they are terrorists.

thats just so stupid to say.

half the terrorists of the world would be walking free, including waffen ss types, but for the mossad.

the biggest terrorists are the cia and the GIs.

IndianSummer

DPrival78 wrote:

i'm saying that the precedent is there.. enough for it to be throughly investigated. we know these people celebrating were mossad. we know they were driving around in a van containing a large amount of cash, arab dress, and traces of explosives. we know the company they supposedly worked for was completely abandoned shortly after they were picked up (and then sent back to israel never to be heard from again). just a tad suspicious, no?
the mossad has an undeniable history of impersonating arabs and committing terrorist-type acts in attempts to turn the world, and particularly the u.s. military, against the arab world, and generate sympathy for israel. when asked what the 911 attacks meant for israel shortly after they took place, benjamin netanyahu said they were "very good".
i don't believe the idea of israeli involvement is at all far-fetched.

doesnt israel realise that usa can can its ass if they found out that israel was behind this?? why break the arm that feeds you??

and if all this is true, why dont the media say it openly, in usa and eu countries??

finally the reason why so few israelis/jews died, is that like most other things/events of terrorism, mossad had full knowledge of this. same with 7/7. the best "arabists" have always been israeli and they who penetrate all organisations, including the kgb, no wonder find it easy to know about all arab goings on. the cia isnt half as smart and is basically a group of rednecks in suits, so they could not prevent it.

DPrival78

IndianSummer wrote:

thats just so stupid to say.

is it? how so? the lavon affair wasn't terrorism? the king david hotel bombing wasn't terrorism? the uss liberty?

IndianSummer

DPrival78 wrote:

is it? how so? the lavon affair wasn't terrorism? the king david hotel bombing wasn't terrorism? the uss liberty?

damn the king david hotel incident.

the poms were killing jews left right and centre in their colonisation of transjordan.

the poms were also doing their bit to assist hitler with the genocide, by sandwiching the jews in nazi europe (neville chamberlain's hard ass law preventing fleeing jews to enter trans jordan).


so 2 things happened - the irgun/palmach/haganah killed a few poms in king david hotel to soften them up.

a group called the "mossad aliyah bet" - no relative of the mossad of today (as i am sure you havent a clue, i will explain. a jew's comming to israel is = spiritual upliftment = aliyah in hebrew. mossad = institute or organisation. bet is the second alphabet of the hebrew alphabet. aleph being the first. the poms did in fact allow a very small number of jews to flee nazi europe into transjordan and these citizens were called "A" or aleph or "official" citizens. mossad aliah bet was the secret org, that used to smuggle in jews from under pom noses, and above their stiff upper lips, if i may add. their smuggled citizens were the B type.) started smuggling in jews thus helping them escape the germans, the genetic blod brothers of the anglo saxon poms.

so it hardly matters that the jews paid the poms back in kind. i fully support the king david blowing.

as for your small list of stings, uus liberty and other small time affairs, if i were to list the many sectors where jews have contributed to usa - there isnt a walk of life, barring boxing, where they havent produced america's best, including at swimming - mark spitz and chess - bobby fisher, the first american to become world champion, beating the russian grip on chess (even the russians were jews for the most part, including a certain kasparov), then i could fill a list from ny to la.

so do the math. add all that and subtract the uss liberty. no one, no friendship, be it between people or countries, is perfect.

of yeah, since we are also talking mossad, let me point out that the cia wouldnt have been able to hold a candle to the kgb nor ever prevent the jehadis, but for israeli support.


so yes, but for jews, usa = people with middle level abilities/acumen and rednecks.

El_Kabong

IndianSummer wrote:

finally the reason why so few israelis/jews died, is that like most other things/events of terrorism, mossad had full knowledge of this. same with 7/7. the best "arabists" have always been israeli and they who penetrate all organisations, including the kgb, no wonder find it easy to know about all arab goings on. the cia isnt half as smart and is basically a group of rednecks in suits, so they could not prevent it.

well, then why didn't they share this w/ the US government? especially since they receive so much from the US?

in the US courts a person can be tried for a crime if they have prior knowledge and do nothing to prevent it or warn of it

DPrival78

IndianSummer wrote:

so it hardly matters that the jews paid the poms back in kind. i fully support the king david blowing.

so you support the killing of innocents for political purposes? ok... but anyway..

i think its important that i mention that i started this post to talk about the actions and behavoirs of zionists, the mossad, and the government of israel.. not jews. there's a line there, a fine one, but also a pretty distinct one. i've also never said anything looking to detract from any of the societal contributions made over the years by people who happen to be jewish. none of that is the issue here. the issue is we have a group of people who have repeatedly used, and worse, killed innocent people (including many americans). and we have some very curious circumstances surrounding this group when it comes to not only september 11, but all things u.s. foreign and even domestic policy. we have people working in the pentagon who have practically sworn an oath to israel. hell, richard perle was caught by the FBI in the 70's giving classified information to israel. fast forward 30 years, and he's at the head of the super secretive 'office of special plans', who created the bogus claims that iraq (long time enemy of israel) had weapons of mass destruction. why is this behavior tolerated? why is it covered up? why is any close, critical look at israel's behavior and influence not tolerated in mainstream circles? why were those 5 dancing israeli's celebrating the death of 3000 people on u.s. soil as it was happening not front page news? instead, all we saw and heard was osama-this, and al qaeda-that - despite the fact that the fbi admits they have no hard evidence of bin laden involvement. why is the AIPAC spy scandal not on the news? why did foxnews pull a 4 part report on a massive israeli spyring operating in the us just prior to 911? carl cameron, who reported that story, was quoted as saying, ""Investigators within the DEA, INS and FBI have all told Fox News that to pursue or even suggest Israeli spying ... is considered career suicide." why is israel so off limits? why are people so quick to play the anti-semite card, as has happened in this thread? is it a way to deflect attention away from the real issues maybe? i don't know.. but there is way too much there to ignore, i think

im going to state again to be clear.. this has nothing to do with jewish people as a whole. they are not the problem. there are evil cocksuckers of all faiths, and i despise them equally

IndianSummer

El_Kabong wrote:

well, then why didn't they share this w/ the US government? especially since they receive so much from the US?

in the US courts a person can be tried for a crime if they have prior knowledge and do nothing to prevent it or warn of it

i am sure they did.

a terrorist operation like 9/11 doesnt happen in one day. years of planning and little pieces of action were involved. often with terrorist operations it isnt known till the last moment what the actual intention is (i mean the clues/pieces of jigsaw are difficult to piece together until too late). so either israel knew about it at the very last moment, or they knew a clue or three beforehand and shared it with usa and no one could figure out what exactlt happened. israel asked the jews working in wtc to stay away just in case. (again if you know anything about terrorist operations, in any exchange of info/message between 2 colaborating terrorist parties will real dates, times or descriptions hardly be given.) israel and usa were left to conjecture. israel didnt take chances.

and balls to what they receie from usa - the usa receives the best human resource ever walked the earth from israel/jews.

IndianSummer

DPrival78 wrote:

so you support the killing of innocents for political purposes? ok... but anyway..

poms colonising another country are NOT innocents.
us marines in iraq are not innocents.

iraqis are perfectly within their rights to kill invaders, just as vietnam did no wrong whatsoever in killing 30 grand americans.

VivaPalestina

IndianSummer wrote:

poms colonising another country are NOT innocents.
us marines in iraq are not innocents.

iraqis are perfectly within their rights to kill invaders, just as vietnam did no wrong whatsoever in killing 30 grand americans.

By that logic, Jews colonizing Palestine for the past century are not innocents. Palestinians "are perfectly within their right to kill invaders."

The U.S. has no love for jews and vice versa, they both use each other. The U.S. uses israel as a strategic stronghold in the middle east to keep the area "in check."

IndianSummer

purrmo wrote:

By that logic, Jews colonizing Palestine for the past century are not innocents. Palestinians "are perfectly within their right to kill invaders."

The U.S. has no love for jews and vice versa, they both use each other. The U.S. uses israel as a strategic stronghold in the middle east to keep the area "in check."

er no.

israel always belonged to the jews. before the romans threw them out .

vietnam on the other hand always belonged to the vietnamese, and they were within their rights to kill american invaders.

i dunno about usa's love for jews, but its staggering dependence (on jews) is there for all to be seen.

and no the usa does not and nor can use israel. israel can and does use usa as a "threat" to keep middle eastern jehadis in check.

Ahnimus

IndianSummer wrote:

israel always belonged to the jews. before the romans threw them out .

Not true either. Palestine was occupied mostly by Arabs, the Jews occupied a small part of Jerusalem before they were banished. Certainly they did not occupy even as much as 50% of palestine.

VivaPalestina

IndianSummer wrote:

er no.

israel always belonged to the jews. before the romans threw them out .

vietnam on the other hand always belonged to the vietnamese, and they were within their rights to kill american invaders.

i dunno about usa's love for jews, but its staggering dependence (on jews) is there for all to be seen.

and no the usa does not and nor can use israel. israel can and does use usa as a "threat" to keep middle eastern jehadis in check.

And the european jews you were talking about in a previous post on this thread, they are the descendants of these jews that the romans threw out? The state of israel never existed before 1948, so the statement "israel always belonged to the jews," is false.

They both use each other to attempt to keep the middle east in check,but for the most part, Iraq doesn't look so good for the US, and Israel is trying everything, (wall, checkpoints, etc.), but yet Hamas is in power. So much for a "threat" on any side.
Staggering dependence, the US can't use Israel? Why can the US not use israel? And what staggering dependence?

ilana

Ahnimus wrote:

Are you a zionist? or just a Jew? I have some questions for you.

hi im a zionist and a jew
and any jew who celebrates pass over, and at the end says next year in jerusalem, is also a zionist
we dont have horns and a tail
we are the same as every one else
not everything that gos wrong in the world is a big jewish zionist conspiricy