Immigration

gue_barium

onelongsong wrote:

http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2004/dec04/prop200.pdf

http://phoenix.about.com/b/a/257362.htm

http://phoenix.about.com/b/a/257373.htm

http://phoenix.about.com/b/a/257369.htm

here's a few of our anti-illegal alien laws. this includes english as our official language which includes all schools must teach in english only; aliens arrested cannot receive bail; illegals cannot obtain any public services; and the like.

This is a rich vs. poor problem that you support.

http://blkirk.myweb.uga.edu/webpage/pilgrim.jpeg

pjfanatic4

onelongsong wrote:

http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2004/dec04/prop200.pdf

http://phoenix.about.com/b/a/257362.htm

http://phoenix.about.com/b/a/257373.htm

http://phoenix.about.com/b/a/257369.htm

here's a few of our anti-illegal alien laws. this includes english as our official language which includes all schools must teach in english only; aliens arrested cannot receive bail; illegals cannot obtain any public services; and the like.

It's very sad. Like you stated before, they may move to another state where laws aren't as harsh (or maybe more crops to tend than in AZ ), but what in reality may happen is that a sub-race is being created. One that is not equal to its citizens, considered to be of lesser value. That somehow does not seem to be what the US is about. Or is it?

pjfanatic4

gue_barium wrote:

This is a rich vs. poor problem that you support.

http://blkirk.myweb.uga.edu/webpage/pilgrim.jpeg

I agree with this... cool cartoon.

A immigrant once said, "you call me an immigrant? Do you pay taxes? If you do, then you are also an immigrant. The only natives around here don't pay taxes!"

onelongsong

pjfanatic4 wrote:

No, you don't have to look for them. I'll take your word.

I understand your frustration about having to deal with this problem, but I think you are trying to treat the symptoms and not the cause of the problem. The US is a major cause of the immigration problem, by pushing for economic superiority, and keeping a growing economy, in created the voids that need to be filled.

I think you are not 100% correct with the unemployment issue. And I believe that the illegal immigrant labor pays back more than you think, via economic viability of the industries they serve, for part of their share in infrastructure and services. If you look at pro-immigration data, they point a whole different picture. I'm not saying their right, but it is not a drain as the anti-immigration sites tend to report.

i see your point but i have a problem with data. nevada did a big study in a pro-immigration state of mind. by the results of this "study" you would think that we should open the borders and roll out red carpets. but at the conference; things took a turn when i questioned why the study didn't address displaced workers; or why the fact that these immigrant workers were below poverty level and thus receiving state aid and medicaid. the study showed these people paying taxes; but i pointed out that a worker receiving $200/week is only paying $500/year in taxes while the public services they receive is costing the state thousands per person.

so you need to look at all the facts. studies don't do that because they have a "desired" conclusion in mind.

gue_barium

onelongsong wrote:

i see your point but i have a problem with data. nevada did a big study in a pro-immigration state of mind. by the results of this "study" you would think that we should open the borders and roll out red carpets. but at the conference; things took a turn when i questioned why the study didn't address displaced workers; or why the fact that these immigrant workers were below poverty level and thus receiving state aid and medicaid. the study showed these people paying taxes; but i pointed out that a worker receiving $200/week is only paying $500/year in taxes while the public services they receive is costing the state thousands per person.

so you need to look at all the facts. studies don't do that because they have a "desired" conclusion in mind.

Someone making $200 a week isn't receiving any financial aid, liar.

http://blkirk.myweb.uga.edu/webpage/pilgrim.jpeg

onelongsong

pjfanatic4 wrote:

It's very sad. Like you stated before, they may move to another state where laws aren't as harsh (or maybe more crops to tend than in AZ ), but what in reality may happen is that a sub-race is being created. One that is not equal to its citizens, considered to be of lesser value. That somehow does not seem to be what the US is about. Or is it?

AZ is a big food producer. we're not all desert. the sub-race is already created. the taxpayers got tired of having to work for money to support their families; only to have it taken away to support someone elses. when the propositions came out; the work was done and the numbers published. i don't remember the exact numbers but the cost of these illegals is unbelievable. it included the cost of law enforcement to arrest and investigate crimes by illegals; costs to the courts to prosecute; uninsured illegals driving; medical services provided and never paid for; and the list goes on and on.

onelongsong

gue_barium wrote:

Someone making $200 a week isn't receiving any financial aid, liar.

http://blkirk.myweb.uga.edu/webpage/pilgrim.jpeg

someone receiving $200/week with a wife and kids is receiving financial aid. where the hell do you live?

gue_barium

onelongsong wrote:

AZ is a big food producer. we're not all desert. the sub-race is already created. the taxpayers got tired of having to work for money to support their families; only to have it taken away to support someone elses. when the propositions came out; the work was done and the numbers published. i don't remember the exact numbers but the cost of these illegals is unbelievable. it included the cost of law enforcement to arrest and investigate crimes by illegals; costs to the courts to prosecute; uninsured illegals driving; medical services provided and never paid for; and the list goes on and on.

http://blkirk.myweb.uga.edu/webpage/pilgrim.jpeg

onelongsong

gue_barium wrote:

This is a rich vs. poor problem that you support.

http://blkirk.myweb.uga.edu/webpage/pilgrim.jpeg

it's not rich vs poor. the rich are smart enough to get their money out and the poor become poorer.

Cosmo

onelongsong wrote:

i see your point but i have a problem with data. nevada did a big study in a pro-immigration state of mind. by the results of this "study" you would think that we should open the borders and roll out red carpets. but at the conference; things took a turn when i questioned why the study didn't address displaced workers; or why the fact that these immigrant workers were below poverty level and thus receiving state aid and medicaid. the study showed these people paying taxes; but i pointed out that a worker receiving $200/week is only paying $500/year in taxes while the public services they receive is costing the state thousands per person.

so you need to look at all the facts. studies don't do that because they have a "desired" conclusion in mind.

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The only problem I have with your arguements... they come from you.
It's tough for me to take anything you say seriously... based upon you track record.
Let's see... you became 'invisible' when you assumed the identity of a dead person... you killed two people... you were a former Rock Star who had a near death experience and came back from the dead as an example of a medical miracle... you haven't paid taxes... served a public office... was a successful lawyer who never lost a case.... retired a millionaire at age 40... run a steroid free buffalo ranch... with lots of guns... gave water from Lourdes to your mom, your sister and a perfect stranger and their cancer miraculously disappeared...
Well, you see where am getting? Kinda far fetched... or pretty amazing... for one life... that isn't even complete. You need to write an autobiography... except, we wouldn't know how to classify it... fiction or non-fiction.
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You want to validate your arguements... send us to the website of these Public Hearings on immigration... give us the link to this Nevada Study as a reference... let us read and decipher the data and data analysis for ourselves so we can reach our own conclusions. Otherwise, it's Walter Mitty's version of how Immigration works.

gue_barium

Cosmo wrote:

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The only problem I have with your arguements... they come from you.
It's tough for me to take anything you say seriously... based upon you track record.
Let's see... you became 'invisible' when you assumed the identity of a dead person... you killed two people... you were a former Rock Star who had a near death experience and came back from the dead as an example of a medical miracle... you haven't paid taxes... served a public office... was a successful lawyer who never lost a case.... retired a millionaire at age 40... run a steroid free buffalo ranch... with lots of guns... gave water from Lourdes to your mom, your sister and a perfect stranger and their cancer miraculously disappeared...
Well, you see where am getting? Kinda far fetched... or pretty amazing... for one life... that isn't even complete. You need to write an autobiography... except, we wouldn't know how to classify it... fiction or non-fiction.
...
You want to validate your arguements... send us to the website of these Public Hearings on immigration... give us the link to this Nevada Study as a reference... let us read and decipher the data and data analysis for ourselves so we can reach our own conclusions. Otherwise, it's Walter Mitty's version of how Immigration works.

I just think he smokes too much pot, drinks too much Jack.

I got it! I got it!

It's Willie Nelson!

onelongsong

Cosmo wrote:

..
The only problem I have with your arguements... they come from you.
It's tough for me to take anything you say seriously... based upon you track record.
Let's see... you became 'invisible' when you assumed the identity of a dead person... you killed two people... you were a former Rock Star who had a near death experience and came back from the dead as an example of a medical miracle... you haven't paid taxes... served a public office... was a successful lawyer who never lost a case.... retired a millionaire at age 40... run a steroid free buffalo ranch... with lots of guns... gave water from Lourdes to your mom, your sister and a perfect stranger and their cancer miraculously disappeared...
Well, you see where am getting? Kinda far fetched... or pretty amazing... for one life... that isn't even complete. You need to write an autobiography... except, we wouldn't know how to classify it... fiction or non-fiction.
...
You want to validate your arguements... send us to the website of these Public Hearings on immigration... give us the link to this Nevada Study as a reference... let us read and decipher the data and data analysis for ourselves so we can reach our own conclusions. Otherwise, it's Walter Mitty's version of how Immigration works.

after explaining your misconceptions many times over and over; i can only assume you have a learning disability and cannot comprehend simple dialog. you continue to make these slanderous remarks and i have no option but to report you every time you pull this bullshit. i sugest you stalk someone else.

Cosmo

onelongsong wrote:

after explaining your misconceptions many times over and over; i can only assume you have a learning disability and cannot comprehend simple dialog. you continue to make these slanderous remarks and i have no option but to report you every time you pull this bullshit. i sugest you stalk someone else.

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Hey... I'm not the one who makes up all of these claims... you are. There is nothing slanderous about reprating claims made by you. It's all very, very simple. If you tell the truth... you won't forget the lies you've told in the past.
And go ahead and 'Report' me... to your former buddies at the CIA... back when you were a counter/double agent for the KGB. They'll take care of my ass for you. (That last remark was a joke).

onelongsong

Cosmo wrote:

...
Hey... I'm not the one who makes up all of these claims... you are. There is nothing slanderous about reprating claims made by you. It's all very, very simple. If you tell the truth... you won't forget the lies you've told in the past.
And go ahead and 'Report' me... to your former buddies at the CIA... back when you were a counter/double agent for the KGB. They'll take care of my ass for you. (That last remark was a joke).

clearly it is you making up the claims you have posted. the others on the board can follow without problem.

gue_barium

onelongsong wrote:

clearly it is you making up the claims you have posted. the others on the board can follow without problem.

But then you don't defend your lies.

A person making $200 a week does not collect finiancial aid. You're lying about that. Why are you lying?

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Cosmo

onelongsong wrote:

clearly it is you making up the claims you have posted. the others on the board can follow without problem.

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No... it's you. I lack the imagination to make this stuff up.
I didn't tell anyone that I gave water from Lourdes to my mom and sister... whose cancer disappeared. I didn't tell anyone I held a public office.... or retired a millionaire at age 40... that was you.
I'm just a boring working stiff, Reg'lur Working Joe that is caught up in the machinery that is the Military/Industrial complex. I go to work... I go home... I watch T.V.... I feed my cats... I go to sleep. I admit it... I'm boring. I never killed anyone... never been dead and brought back to life... never held a false identity... never been a lawyer or a Rock Star... always paid my taxes. Just a boring, nobody that's lost in the crowd.
That's the truth... the truth is easy for me because I don't have to keep up on the lies I've told and have someone call 'Bullshit' on me. I'm too lazy to lie... the truth is for lazy people.