Quebec is NOT a Nation

Truthmonger

Anyone ever notice the big sign just outside of Quebec City (on Hwy. 20 I think) that shows a picture of the Quebec legislature and which reads: "The Nation's Capital" ?

rebornFixer

Truthmonger wrote:

Anyone ever notice the big sign just outside of Quebec City (on Hwy. 20 I think) that shows a picture of the Quebec legislature and which reads: "The Nation's Capital" ?

Self-delusion on a provincial scale ...

Blanche

Indipidenza di a Corsica!
Euskadi independente!

hippiemom

In the 80s, I worked for a Canadian company that was owned by Paul Martin, so the French separatists were always threatening to blow up the main office in Montreal. At least, the people on the phone SAID they were French separatists .... I always thought it was suspicious how many of those bomb threats came in on Friday afternoon, and suspected it was my Canadian co-workers wanting to go home a few hours early. After all, we all know how the French hate to work

Blanche

hippiemom wrote:

In the 80s, I worked for a Canadian company that was owned by Paul Martin, so the French separatists were always threatening to blow up the main office in Montreal. At least, the people on the phone SAID they were French separatists .... I always thought it was suspicious how many of those bomb threats came in on Friday afternoon, and suspected it was my Canadian co-workers wanting to go home a few hours early. After all, we all know how the French hate to work

Nonononono. We just value our time off.

mookie blaylock 10

surferdude wrote:

I don't have a problem with Quebec becoming it's own nation or country. being a nation would have almost no impact on how Canada goes about it business. Quebec becoming it's own country would be good for Canada, in that it would allow us to divert resources away from Quebec to address other issues. Not sure how Quebec would fare as a country, but I would wish them "Bon chance".

Special treatment for provinces will still occur. We'll still have Employment Insurance set up specifially to maximize use in the maritimes. Or turning a blind eye to oil exploration pollution for Alberta. We'd just have one less have not province to send money to, and another new country to visit. It's not like Quebec would be moving and we wouldn't get to see them when we wanted.

for someone who claims to have seen the vast majority of this country and said they loved it, it certainly sounds like you didn't stop to look at anything or actually talk to anyone.

hippiemom

Blanche wrote:

Nonononono. We just value our time off.

Oh ... I always assumed it was true, since I am of French descent and I certainly don't like to work!

surferdude

mookie blaylock 10 wrote:

for someone who claims to have seen the vast majority of this country and said they loved it, it certainly sounds like you didn't stop to look at anything or actually talk to anyone.

I'm not sure how you get that from what I posted, but to each their own. Does my recognition of Canada having lots of legislation that is entirely designed to gather votes and was never about the fair and equitable treatment of Canadians bother you? It's quite easy to love your country while recognizing it's faults.

I'd prefer Quebec stay in Canada but if they really want to go let them. I don't see how it would change my life in the least, except I could maybe apply for a Quebec passport rather than a Canadian passport if I wanted.

What is so necessary about Quebec (or any other province for that matter) remaining in Canada? What's the downside to Quebec becoming a Nation or an independant country?

mookie blaylock 10

surferdude wrote:

I'm not sure how you get that from what I posted, but to each their own. Does my recognition of Canada having lots of legislation that is entirely designed to gather votes and was never about the fair and equitable treatment of Canadians bother you? It's quite easy to love your country while recognizing it's faults.

I'd prefer Quebec stay in Canada but if they really want to go let them. I don't see how it would change my life in the least, except I could maybe apply for a Quebec passport rather than a Canadian passport if I wanted.

What is so necessary about Quebec (or any other province for that matter) remaining in Canada? What's the downside to Quebec becoming a Nation or an independant country?

it's actually the lack of recognition that we are all canadians that is bothersome, to go along with the "me" attitude that is predominant in most of your posts....as long as it doesn't affect "me", what does it matter, right? as long as i feel that i am better than others and can speak to them in a condescending tone...what does that matter to "me", right?

move to the states. we all know you want to.

RockinInCanada

mookie blaylock 10 wrote:

it's actually the lack of recognition that we are all canadians that is bothersome, to go along with the "me" attitude that is predominant in most of your posts....as long as it doesn't affect "me", what does it matter, right? as long as i feel that i am better than others and can speak to them in a condescending tone...what does that matter to "me", right?

move to the states. we all know you want to.

I agree with your first thought....what bothers me is when people say they do not care (which in this province is the cool thing to do)....as a CANADIAN I love my country and my country includes Quebec...there are more pre-dominant issues than us english really understand (which I have learned through the teachings of thankyougrandma )...during the last referendum...my mother and some of her collegues began a drive to phone those in Quebec and convince them to say no....she spoke to so many pround Canadian's in Quebec that it brought her tears many times especially speaking to those that were so turned off of the fact of separating who were also in tears....she told me some people actually decided to vote no, instead of yes, just for the reason that there were those out there that actually did care (just by her one phone call!).....

I for one what Quebec in Canada.....

rebornFixer

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

.my mother and some of her collegues began a drive to phone those in Quebec and convince them to say no....she spoke to so many pround Canadian's in Quebec that it brought her tears many times especially speaking to those that were so turned off of the fact of separating who were also in tears....she told me some people actually decided to vote no, instead of yes, just for the reason that there were those out there that actually did care (just by her one phone call!).....

That's a bloody awesome (and heartwarming) thing to do.
In fact, if there's another referendum, I think we should do the same.

RockinInCanada

reborncareerist wrote:

That's a bloody awesome (and heartwarming) thing to do.
In fact, if there's another referendum, I think we should do the same.

She said that it was one of the most self-rewarding things she had done in her whole life....very proud of her for that....

mookie blaylock 10

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

I agree with your first thought....what bothers me is when people say they do not care (which in this province is the cool thing to do)....as a CANADIAN I love my country and my country includes Quebec...there are more pre-dominant issues than us english really understand (which I have learned through the teachings of thankyougrandma )...during the last referendum...my mother and some of her collegues began a drive to phone those in Quebec and convince them to say no....she spoke to so many pround Canadian's in Quebec that it brought her tears many times especially speaking to those that were so turned off of the fact of separating who were also in tears....she told me some people actually decided to vote no, instead of yes, just for the reason that there were those out there that actually did care (just by her one phone call!).....

I for one what Quebec in Canada.....

awesome post RIC thanks for sharing that.

surferdude

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

I agree with your first thought....what bothers me is when people say they do not care (which in this province is the cool thing to do)....as a CANADIAN I love my country and my country includes Quebec...there are more pre-dominant issues than us english really understand (which I have learned through the teachings of thankyougrandma )...during the last referendum...my mother and some of her collegues began a drive to phone those in Quebec and convince them to say no....she spoke to so many pround Canadian's in Quebec that it brought her tears many times especially speaking to those that were so turned off of the fact of separating who were also in tears....she told me some people actually decided to vote no, instead of yes, just for the reason that there were those out there that actually did care (just by her one phone call!).....

I for one what Quebec in Canada.....

How many times Quebec need to be told we care? How much special recognition does it need?

What are the compelling reasons to keep try and keep Quebec in Canada if their hearts are set on seperating? Will it change how we feel about them? Will it change how we feel about Canada?

Are there other examples we can look to around the world where seperation has been good for both parties? Look at much of Europe, recognizing nations and new countries is accepted and doesn't seem to be feared as much as it is in Canada. Given the examples we see around the world I'm not sure why Canada seems to fear Quebec leaving so much. It seems to me like Quebec and Canada are in a marriage with irreconcilable differences but that doesn't mean they don't love each. But only that they don't want to be married anymore. If yo can find ways to make the marriage work for both parties great but I don't see that happening. I only see the differences getting worse over time. So without a compelling reason to try to keep Quebec in Canada I'd say our resources are better put to use else where.

not4u

people in quebec want to separate, priest Harper supports that and wants them to have it, so the liberals loose votes.

RockinInCanada

surferdude wrote:

How many times Quebec need to be told we care? How much special recognition does it need?

What are the compelling reasons to keep try and keep Quebec in Canada if their hearts are set on seperating? Will it change how we feel about them? Will it change how we feel about Canada?

Are there other examples we can look to around the world where seperation has been good for both parties? Look at much of Europe, recognizing nations and new countries is accepted and doesn't seem to be feared as much as it is in Canada. Given the examples we see around the world I'm not sure why Canada seems to fear Quebec leaving so much. It seems to me like Quebec and Canada are in a marriage with irreconcilable differences but that doesn't mean they don't love each. But only that they don't want to be married anymore. If yo can find ways to make the marriage work for both parties great but I don't see that happening. I only see the differences getting worse over time. So without a compelling reason to try to keep Quebec in Canada I'd say our resources are better put to use else where.

Border-line 50% does not mean craziness to separate...it seems deep down you really want them to leave?

There is no fear from me its keeping intact the greatest country in the world having Quebec makes us so diverse and unique. I happen to love the people in Quebec without them many of GREAT Canadian poliitcal leaders would never have taken office.

Cheers for a united Canada....a thumbs down for separation...!

surferdude

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

Border-line 50% does not mean craziness to separate...it seems deep down you really want them to leave?

There is no fear from me its keeping intact the greatest country in the world having Quebec makes us so diverse and unique. I happen to love the people in Quebec without them many of GREAT Canadian poliitcal leaders would never have taken office.

Cheers for a united Canada....a thumbs down for separation...!

It is only borderline 50% in Quebec but all it takes is 50% + 1. I see you had no compelling reasons for Quebec to stay.

not4u

surferdude wrote:

It is only borderline 50% in Quebec but all it takes is 50% + 1. I see you had no compelling reasons for Quebec to stay.

50%?, for quebec to separate i would assume it MUST be a different percentage for such a big step. 80-90% i say must agree. Im not a racist, biggot, stupid greedy dick that wants to push to benifit from the possible separation of Quebec. I love Canada the way it is. Quebec ads a great color to our country just like alberta, mind you alberta's color to me is shit but i don't mind them as a part of my country. some people just suck, but we must be accepted as a whole, if not where will it end?

mrwalkerb

not4u wrote:

50%?, for quebec to separate i would assume it MUST be a different percentage for such a big step. 80-90% i say must agree. Im not a racist, biggot, stupid greedy dick that wants to push to benifit from the possible separation of Quebec. I love Canada the way it is. Quebec ads a great color to our country just like alberta, mind you alberta's color to me is shit but i don't mind them as a part of my country. some people just suck, but we must be accepted as a whole, if not where will it end?

no for Quebec to seperate they need 50 + 1, provided it's a referendum like in 95. The funniest thing I find from this debate is the people out here who think Alberta should seperate, thought I would lighten the mood

not4u

mrwalkerb wrote:

no for Quebec to seperate they need 50 + 1, provided it's a referendum like in 95. The funniest thing I find from this debate is the people out here who think Alberta should seperate, thought I would lighten the mood

The US wants alberta, they planted seeds thier and they'll eventually get it, but first alberta is trying to get the rest of canada. Canada right now i feel is under a political invasion, but im a cynical jerk.