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Quebec is NOT a Nation

Cree NationsCree Nations Posts: 2,247
edited November 2006 in A Moving Train
and does not deserve any special treatment compared to any other province.
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...a lover and a fighter.
"I'm at least half a bum" Rocky Balboa

http://www.videosift.com/video/Obamas-Message-To-American-Indians

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  • harmless_little_f***harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    Ok
    'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'

    - the great Sir Leo Harrison
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    Phew, I can check that off the list.:)
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Agreed 100%, although I am OK with certain differences based on culture (use of Civil Code law instead of British common law, etc). Basically, I think ANY province should be able to do things a bit differently, assuming it is culturally appropriate to do so. Quebec shouldn't be "special" in this regard.
  • Cree NationsCree Nations Posts: 2,247
    reborncareerist wrote:
    Agreed 100%, although I am OK with certain differences based on culture (use of Civil Code law instead of British common law, etc). Basically, I think ANY province should be able to do things a bit differently, assuming it is culturally appropriate to do so. Quebec shouldn't be "special" in this regard.

    indeed
    >>>>
    >
    ...a lover and a fighter.
    "I'm at least half a bum" Rocky Balboa

    http://www.videosift.com/video/Obamas-Message-To-American-Indians

    Edmonton, AB. September 5th, 2005
    Vancouver, BC. April 3rd, 2008
    Calgary,AB. August 8th, 2009
  • harmless_little_f***harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    reborncareerist wrote:
    Agreed 100%, although I am OK with certain differences based on culture (use of Civil Code law instead of British common law, etc). Basically, I think ANY province should be able to do things a bit differently, assuming it is culturally appropriate to do so. Quebec shouldn't be "special" in this regard.

    This answer was better than mine. It was more intellectually informed. It was intellectually informed.
    'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'

    - the great Sir Leo Harrison
  • Vedderlution_BabyVedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    Uh. yea it is
  • Cree NationsCree Nations Posts: 2,247
    Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:
    Uh. yea it is

    lol
    >>>>
    >
    ...a lover and a fighter.
    "I'm at least half a bum" Rocky Balboa

    http://www.videosift.com/video/Obamas-Message-To-American-Indians

    Edmonton, AB. September 5th, 2005
    Vancouver, BC. April 3rd, 2008
    Calgary,AB. August 8th, 2009
  • Vedderlution_BabyVedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    Cree Nations wrote:
    lol


    Im just not used to seeing something end so fast on the train is all!
  • Cree NationsCree Nations Posts: 2,247
    I was hoping to get more responses from Quebecois but I figure that seeing as they only type and speak in French that they wont respond.
    :p
    >>>>
    >
    ...a lover and a fighter.
    "I'm at least half a bum" Rocky Balboa

    http://www.videosift.com/video/Obamas-Message-To-American-Indians

    Edmonton, AB. September 5th, 2005
    Vancouver, BC. April 3rd, 2008
    Calgary,AB. August 8th, 2009
  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:
    Im just not used to seeing something end so fast on the train is all!

    If we could get thankyougrandma and surferdude into this thread it would be worth grabbing a bowl of popcorn and watching the show. :)
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • mrwalkerbmrwalkerb Posts: 1,015
    jeffbr wrote:
    If we could get thankyougrandma and surferdude into this thread it would be worth grabbing a bowl of popcorn and watching the show. :)

    agreeded, the only reason I opened this thread was to see what thankyougrandma had to say, guess I'll check back later
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  • enharmonicenharmonic Posts: 1,917
    Who put the Q in Quebec? man, don't even tell me it was the French! Those crafty Frenchians!
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  • JaneNYJaneNY Posts: 4,438
    I don't want to step into the midst of Canadian politics, but may I say as an American who has visited Quebec City, that when I go there, it does feel like a different country, than say Toronto or Ottawa. This is only based on my perception. As to what should happen politically, it wouldn't be my place to say.
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  • Cree NationsCree Nations Posts: 2,247
    I have never been to Quebec and have always wanted to go and JaneNY I have heard what you said reiterated from countless friends. I understand that there is a different culture there and language but other than the language part Canada is different from coast to coast, if Quebec deserves special treatment then so does Newfoundland and we should all petition the preservation of the Newfy language. I am a wee biased on this though. Quebec wants all of Canadas glory and resources but they do not want to be Canadian ...atleast close to 50% of Quebecois feel this way anyway.

    enharmonic: I think the first person to put the 'Q' in Quebec was that big snowman 'le Bon' I think his name is, apparently after a night of drinking and tortierre feasting he awoke with this epiphany.
    >>>>
    >
    ...a lover and a fighter.
    "I'm at least half a bum" Rocky Balboa

    http://www.videosift.com/video/Obamas-Message-To-American-Indians

    Edmonton, AB. September 5th, 2005
    Vancouver, BC. April 3rd, 2008
    Calgary,AB. August 8th, 2009
  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    Cree Nations wrote:
    and does not deserve any special treatment compared to any other province.
    I don't have a problem with Quebec becoming it's own nation or country. being a nation would have almost no impact on how Canada goes about it business. Quebec becoming it's own country would be good for Canada, in that it would allow us to divert resources away from Quebec to address other issues. Not sure how Quebec would fare as a country, but I would wish them "Bon chance".

    Special treatment for provinces will still occur. We'll still have Employment Insurance set up specifially to maximize use in the maritimes. Or turning a blind eye to oil exploration pollution for Alberta. We'd just have one less have not province to send money to, and another new country to visit. It's not like Quebec would be moving and we wouldn't get to see them when we wanted.
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Cree Nations wrote:
    I have never been to Quebec and have always wanted to go and JaneNY I have heard what you said reiterated from countless friends. I understand that there is a different culture there and language but other than the language part Canada is different from coast to coast, if Quebec deserves special treatment then so does Newfoundland and we should all petition the preservation of the Newfy language. I am a wee biased on this though. Quebec wants all of Canadas glory and resources but they do not want to be Canadian ...atleast close to 50% of Quebecois feel this way anyway.

    enharmonic: I think the first person to put the 'Q' in Quebec was that big snowman 'le Bon' I think his name is, apparently after a night of drinking and tortierre feasting he awoke with this epiphany.

    Indeed ... Parts of Vancouver feel like a different country to me. For that matter, so does Toronto ... I grew up in Saskatchewan, and its nothing like Toronto at all.
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    Comment oses-tu dire que le Québec n’est pas consideré une nation a part entière! C’est honteux ! Vive le Québec libre !

    :o sorry... just thought I'd throw that in.. you seemed to be missing the french speakers (I have to admit I'm not canadian though!!). I'll go back to getting dinner ready now.... :o
  • Cree NationsCree Nations Posts: 2,247
    Le Québec ne mérite plus de traitement spécial qu'ils ont déjà, son une honte sanglante qu'ils ont autant de sièges dans la Chambre des Communes qu'ils. Je demande combien de sièges font la première prise de personnes de nations dans la Chambre ....... AUCUN !

    ps. I dont speak french, thank god for google language tools
    ;)

    TRanslation: Quebec deserves no more special treatment then they already have, its a bloody shame that they have as many seats in the House of Commons as they already do. I ask how many seats do the First Nations people of Canada have in the house ....... NONE!
    >>>>
    >
    ...a lover and a fighter.
    "I'm at least half a bum" Rocky Balboa

    http://www.videosift.com/video/Obamas-Message-To-American-Indians

    Edmonton, AB. September 5th, 2005
    Vancouver, BC. April 3rd, 2008
    Calgary,AB. August 8th, 2009
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    Hehe Cree... :D:D I'm not gonna enter that debate because I don't really have any particular opinion on it. But in a nutshell, if it is part of Canada, no special treatment. If it wants to be a province on it's own, then fair enough but they need to let go of the perks of being part of something bigger and do their own thing.

    Long live google and it's language facilities!!!!!
  • Cree NationsCree Nations Posts: 2,247
    redrock wrote:

    Long live google and it's language facilities!!!!!
    :D
    >>>>
    >
    ...a lover and a fighter.
    "I'm at least half a bum" Rocky Balboa

    http://www.videosift.com/video/Obamas-Message-To-American-Indians

    Edmonton, AB. September 5th, 2005
    Vancouver, BC. April 3rd, 2008
    Calgary,AB. August 8th, 2009
  • TruthmongerTruthmonger Posts: 559
    Anyone ever notice the big sign just outside of Quebec City (on Hwy. 20 I think) that shows a picture of the Quebec legislature and which reads: "The Nation's Capital" ?
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Truthmonger wrote:
    Anyone ever notice the big sign just outside of Quebec City (on Hwy. 20 I think) that shows a picture of the Quebec legislature and which reads: "The Nation's Capital" ?

    Self-delusion on a provincial scale ...
  • BlancheBlanche Posts: 247
    Indipidenza di a Corsica!
    Euskadi independente!

    :D
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    In the 80s, I worked for a Canadian company that was owned by Paul Martin, so the French separatists were always threatening to blow up the main office in Montreal. At least, the people on the phone SAID they were French separatists .... I always thought it was suspicious how many of those bomb threats came in on Friday afternoon, and suspected it was my Canadian co-workers wanting to go home a few hours early. After all, we all know how the French hate to work ;)
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • BlancheBlanche Posts: 247
    hippiemom wrote:
    In the 80s, I worked for a Canadian company that was owned by Paul Martin, so the French separatists were always threatening to blow up the main office in Montreal. At least, the people on the phone SAID they were French separatists .... I always thought it was suspicious how many of those bomb threats came in on Friday afternoon, and suspected it was my Canadian co-workers wanting to go home a few hours early. After all, we all know how the French hate to work ;)
    Nonononono. We just value our time off. :p
  • mookie blaylock 10mookie blaylock 10 Posts: 4,042
    surferdude wrote:
    I don't have a problem with Quebec becoming it's own nation or country. being a nation would have almost no impact on how Canada goes about it business. Quebec becoming it's own country would be good for Canada, in that it would allow us to divert resources away from Quebec to address other issues. Not sure how Quebec would fare as a country, but I would wish them "Bon chance".

    Special treatment for provinces will still occur. We'll still have Employment Insurance set up specifially to maximize use in the maritimes. Or turning a blind eye to oil exploration pollution for Alberta. We'd just have one less have not province to send money to, and another new country to visit. It's not like Quebec would be moving and we wouldn't get to see them when we wanted.

    for someone who claims to have seen the vast majority of this country and said they loved it, it certainly sounds like you didn't stop to look at anything or actually talk to anyone.
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Blanche wrote:
    Nonononono. We just value our time off. :p
    Oh ... I always assumed it was true, since I am of French descent and I certainly don't like to work! :D
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    mookie blaylock 10 wrote:
    for someone who claims to have seen the vast majority of this country and said they loved it, it certainly sounds like you didn't stop to look at anything or actually talk to anyone.
    I'm not sure how you get that from what I posted, but to each their own. Does my recognition of Canada having lots of legislation that is entirely designed to gather votes and was never about the fair and equitable treatment of Canadians bother you? It's quite easy to love your country while recognizing it's faults.

    I'd prefer Quebec stay in Canada but if they really want to go let them. I don't see how it would change my life in the least, except I could maybe apply for a Quebec passport rather than a Canadian passport if I wanted.

    What is so necessary about Quebec (or any other province for that matter) remaining in Canada? What's the downside to Quebec becoming a Nation or an independant country?
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • mookie blaylock 10mookie blaylock 10 Posts: 4,042
    surferdude wrote:
    I'm not sure how you get that from what I posted, but to each their own. Does my recognition of Canada having lots of legislation that is entirely designed to gather votes and was never about the fair and equitable treatment of Canadians bother you? It's quite easy to love your country while recognizing it's faults.

    I'd prefer Quebec stay in Canada but if they really want to go let them. I don't see how it would change my life in the least, except I could maybe apply for a Quebec passport rather than a Canadian passport if I wanted.

    What is so necessary about Quebec (or any other province for that matter) remaining in Canada? What's the downside to Quebec becoming a Nation or an independant country?

    it's actually the lack of recognition that we are all canadians that is bothersome, to go along with the "me" attitude that is predominant in most of your posts....as long as it doesn't affect "me", what does it matter, right? as long as i feel that i am better than others and can speak to them in a condescending tone...what does that matter to "me", right?

    move to the states. we all know you want to. ;)
  • RockinInCanadaRockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    mookie blaylock 10 wrote:
    it's actually the lack of recognition that we are all canadians that is bothersome, to go along with the "me" attitude that is predominant in most of your posts....as long as it doesn't affect "me", what does it matter, right? as long as i feel that i am better than others and can speak to them in a condescending tone...what does that matter to "me", right?

    move to the states. we all know you want to.


    I agree with your first thought....what bothers me is when people say they do not care (which in this province is the cool thing to do)....as a CANADIAN I love my country and my country includes Quebec...there are more pre-dominant issues than us english really understand (which I have learned through the teachings of thankyougrandma :))...during the last referendum...my mother and some of her collegues began a drive to phone those in Quebec and convince them to say no....she spoke to so many pround Canadian's in Quebec that it brought her tears many times especially speaking to those that were so turned off of the fact of separating who were also in tears....she told me some people actually decided to vote no, instead of yes, just for the reason that there were those out there that actually did care (just by her one phone call!).....

    I for one what Quebec in Canada.....
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