Pearl Jam and Politic's.

Ms. Haiku

I was just at a meeting hosted by the association I work at. I felt down because the people that were able to make changes in their communities had degrees with specializations; i.e., architecture. Actually, I think what they are doing is great! I just didn't know what I could do. I thought Well, architects can change their communities, as well as teachers, and others with a specific degree or specialization. I thought I had to go back to school and get a Master's in something if I wanted to contribute in a meaningful way; to be a part of the planning process for something greater, but what kind of change can a person do with a Master's in Gastronomy?

I'm currently knitting blankets for Project Linus, and I do other stuff, but it's not part of the planning of a community. I don't contribute to a front lines change.

Then I thought of the members of Pearl Jam. They have the talent and the guts to get their message out, and affect change, no matter how big or small for their communities. They donate a portion of each concert to a local chartity, and they contribute in other ways. They have the musician skills, as an architect has skills or an engineer has skills. From thinking of them, I realized it is not the degree, if I'm not willing to get the degree, that will result in a contribution from me to my community. It is the willingness to do so. They are part of planning processes, maybe towards a broader community, but I just felt good thinking of them. I have to figure out what I'm passionate about, and just get the guts to do something. This may be a passing thing, or maybe I'll be able to find my groove, and feel like I'm contributing in some way at the same time. I think they are inspiring as were the people I heard from today.

norm

Wasn't it Ed who said in "Iconoclasts" - "I hate politics."


Just sayin'.

Ahnimus

soulsinging wrote:

i believe it was a church related thing... so created by the other gibberish speaking branch of human social thought... religion

lol, it's just so Megalomaniacal isn't it?

Byrnzie

cutback wrote:

Wasn't it Ed who said in "Iconoclasts" - "I hate politics."


Just sayin'.

He said "I hate politics" but he went on to say that politics is a necessary evil, and that inaction isn't an option.

CorporateWhore

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

There are plenty of complete idiots out there with college degrees and there are also plenty of brilliant people who lack them. College degrees really don't mean shit when it comes to intelligence.

False. They do mean something when it comes to intelligence. They don't mean everything though.

College degrees are often difficult to obtain and take hard work and intelligence, especially if obtained in a difficult field.

soulsinging

CorporateWhore wrote:

False. They do mean something when it comes to intelligence. They don't mean everything though.

College degrees are often difficult to obtain and take hard work and intelligence, especially if obtained in a difficult field.

i take it you're in one of the easy ones then?

norm

Byrnzie wrote:

He said "I hate politics" but he went on to say that politics is a necessary evil, and that inaction isn't an option.

I know but it says a lot about the man that he takes action in something that he hates. So when he starts one of his rants during a show people should understand that he isn't doing it for fun but out of necessity.

Ahnimus

CorporateWhore wrote:

False. They do mean something when it comes to intelligence. They don't mean everything though.

College degrees are often difficult to obtain and take hard work and intelligence, especially if obtained in a difficult field.

What is the process called of joining together of molecules so that the compounds with chains of very large molecular size are produced?

*Beep*

Yes Mark!

Uhh.. dehydration synthesis

No, polymeri.. polymerization is what we needed there, I can hardly say that.

Byrnzie

CorporateWhore wrote:

False. They do mean something when it comes to intelligence. They don't mean everything though.

College degrees are often difficult to obtain and take hard work and intelligence, especially if obtained in a difficult field.

A large majority of the work simply involves learning by rote. You simply read and memorize other people's words and ideas. It takes hard work, and the ability to apply yourself, but as for intelligence? There are many greatly influential people in the world of ideas throughout history who received no formal education. In fact most of the worlds famous writers and artists were self educated.

norm

Byrnzie wrote:

In fact most of the worlds famous writers and artists were self educated.

"Many little-known people have succeeded without college, but there are also many famous ones, for example, Jesse Ventura, Madonna, Malcolm X, Steven Spielberg, William Faulkner, Bill Gates, Eleanor Roosevelt, Leonardo DiCaprio, Maya Angelou, Barbra Streisand, Michael Dell, Jane Austen, PBS's Nina Totenberg, Walter Cronkite, Ted Turner, Bob Dylan, Pulp Fiction director Quentin Tarentino, cookie maker Debbie Fields, Dreamworks co-founder David Geffen, former Israeli president David Ben Gurion, oil billionaire John D. Rockefeller, Warren Beatty, Woody Allen, famed anthropologist Richard Leakey, astronaut and senator John Glenn, McDonald's founder Ray Kroc, Dustin Hoffman, Buckminster Fuller, Alexander Graham Bell, Wendy's Founder Dave Thomas, Walt Disney, Rosie O'Donnell, Thomas Edison, Blockbuster Video founder and owner of the Miami Dolphins Wayne Huizenga, NBC mogul David Sarnoff, Ernest Hemingway, Sally Field, architect Frank Lloyd Wright, Steve Jobs, Coco Chanel, Roots author Alex Haley, chef Wolfgang Puck, Robert Redford, John D. Rockefeller, satirist H.L Mencken, Thomas Edison, the Wright brothers, and seven presidents from Washington to Truman. ABC-TV's Peter Jennings dropped out of high school!"

http://www.princetonreview.com/college/research/articles/find/shouldyougo.asp

Last Exodus

soulsinging wrote:

i see. well, "we" in the collective still think dino's not exactly a beacon of intelligence from that post.

er....well.... i dont see many beacons at all on this thread. speaking of which anyone seen that beacon of intellect Jammastae lately?

Last Exodus

Byrnzie wrote:

A large majority of the work simply involves learning by rote. You simply read and memorize other people's words and ideas. It takes hard work, and the ability to apply yourself, but as for intelligence? There are many greatly influential people in the world of ideas throughout history who received no formal education. In fact most of the worlds famous writers and artists were self educated.

Agreed Mr. B. I was simply pointing out that it was kind of ironic to attack someone on this board for an alleged lack of education, when our fearless leader doesn't have a formal education himself. I think a monkey can make it through College. A smarter monkey can actually make it through grad school as well. Formal education provides information which is something clearly lacking on this board. But I agree, one need not have a degree to be smart, and I think EV is one of those guys who is probably gifted intellectually based on his thoughts, music, and expression...

fuck

I can't believe some people are even arguing about EV's education. That's just ridiculous. George W. Bush has a Yale degree, I guess he's a lot smarter and has a more credible opinion than everyone.

bryanfury

this is always a hot button issue.

you can do one of 2 things.

stop listening to them
deal with the fact that people have different views

sonicreducer

out of the three shows i went to in '03, when ed seemed to be complaining the most, there was only one show (atlanta) that i was a little dissapointed about his ranting. but then they played crown of thorns (chloe dancer).

Byrnzie

Last Exodus wrote:

Agreed Mr. B. I was simply pointing out that it was kind of ironic to attack someone on this board for an alleged lack of education, when our fearless leader doesn't have a formal education himself. I think a monkey can make it through College. A smarter monkey can actually make it through grad school as well. Formal education provides information which is something clearly lacking on this board. But I agree, one need not have a degree to be smart, and I think EV is one of those guys who is probably gifted intellectually based on his thoughts, music, and expression...

Fair point.

Abookamongstthemany

Last Exodus wrote:

Agreed Mr. B. I was simply pointing out that it was kind of ironic to attack someone on this board for an alleged lack of education, when our fearless leader doesn't have a formal education himself. I think a monkey can make it through College. A smarter monkey can actually make it through grad school as well. Formal education provides information which is something clearly lacking on this board. But I agree, one need not have a degree to be smart, and I think EV is one of those guys who is probably gifted intellectually based on his thoughts, music, and expression...

The minute somone tries to share information with you, you just cry about it, so why bother?

Commy

Last Exodus wrote:

Agreed Mr. B. I was simply pointing out that it was kind of ironic to attack someone on this board for an alleged lack of education, when our fearless leader doesn't have a formal education himself. I think a monkey can make it through College. A smarter monkey can actually make it through grad school as well. Formal education provides information which is something clearly lacking on this board. But I agree, one need not have a degree to be smart, and I think EV is one of those guys who is probably gifted intellectually based on his thoughts, music, and expression...

the only thing formal education teaches is subordination and indoctrination. If I were educated I'd be a damn fool.


...building church and university...
...decieving the people continually.

soulsinging

Commy wrote:

the only thing formal education teaches is subordination and indoctrination. If I were educated I'd be a damn fool.

that's priceless. i love the rationalizations people offer for their mediocrity and inability to succeed in school.

Commy

soulsinging wrote:

that's priceless. i love the rationalizations people offer for their mediocrity and inability to succeed in school.

Really? Cuz i like the conclusions people jump to about messages they read on the internet....