Freedom of Speech and Censorship

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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Jeanie wrote:
    mammasan do you think it's only that people don't care or are lazy or do you think that governments have got particularly good at hiding their actions, and mozzing people with trivialities so that they aren't informed enough?

    No I believe it is laziness or just this if it doesn't affect me personally I don't care attitude. Let's face it the majority of Americans are not directly affected by censorship. Our favorite radio talk show host may loose his job over it but it doesn't impact our daily lives. So for the most part people just let it slide. Unfortunetly what they don't realize is that somewhere down the road it may affect them and by that point it may be too late to do anything about it.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    mamma is talking about a revolt :) i like it!
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Jeanie wrote:
    But isn't our own apathy to blame here too?

    I mean so many ordinary people don't stand up any more and say what they think, effectively silencing themselves?

    Although it would seem to me that conservative lobby groups and the politically correct are more vocal.

    I guess the example that springs to mind for me here is Pauline Hanson.
    Her maiden speech to parliament caused such controversy and she was labelled a xenophobe and all kinds of evil and then the government went and adopted so many of the policies that she spoke of. :rolleyes:

    Not that I agreed with much she had to say but she did have the support of a lot of ordinary Australians, a group that seemingly isn't that important to the government.

    here in the states; all it takes is someone to say they're offended. there's nothing you can do about it.
    take the imus incident; whites can have nappy heads if they don't wash their hair for a couple days.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    macgyver06 wrote:
    mamma is talking about a revolt :) i like it!

    It is way over due in this country. Thomas Jefferson said it himself, that when the government no longer abide to the will of the people it is time for the people to rise up and replace that government.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    Jeanie wrote:
    Wow! Great links. Just amazing! Thanks spiral. :)
    I did mean censorship by the state and that people's right to protest has
    seemingly been outlawed. But I was also thinking about some of the other things that people have mentioned here too.
    It just seems to me that while we are all busily arguing about whether what Paris did was appropriate, or what Britney is wearing, big business and governments and the media are all conspiring against the citizens. And I know that sounds paranoid but it just seems to me to be more and more that it is likely.

    I don't think it is paranoid i think it just is. I think corporations, goverment, whoever have created this whole fantasy world for us where the mojority just don't care. As long as they have there fast car and there big house and status nothing else matters.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

    The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    macgyver06 wrote:
    shopping is great...that money is in circulation.

    Don't encourage me mac!! ;)

    I always feel bad when I succumb to rampant consumerism. :o
    NOPE!!!

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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    mammasan wrote:
    No I believe it is laziness or just this if it doesn't affect me personally I don't care attitude. Let's face it the majority of Americans are not directly affected by censorship. Our favorite radio talk show host may loose his job over it but it doesn't impact our daily lives. So for the most part people just let it slide. Unfortunetly what they don't realize is that somewhere down the road it may affect them and by that point it may be too late to do anything about it.

    Well I notice here that our government made sweeping changes to the Industrial Relations laws which got people so focused on that, and rightly so, that they maybe didn't see the government then try to slip amendments to the terror laws, or changes to our freedom of speech, and a whole bunch of other things that seemingly have been rushed through unchallenged.
    I think we do have an apathetic nation but I also think we are being blinded by rhetoric.
    NOPE!!!

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  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    Jeanie wrote:
    Don't encourage me mac!! ;)

    I always feel bad when I succumb to rampant consumerism. :o

    you may have a problem

    do your eyes get big when i say this word:





    Mall
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    spiral out wrote:
    I don't think it is paranoid i think it just is. I think corporations, goverment, whoever have created this whole fantasy world for us where the mojority just don't care. As long as they have there fast car and there big house and status nothing else matters.


    if people didn't complain; nobody would care. the government only gets involved if someone complains.
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    macgyver06 wrote:
    mamma is talking about a revolt :) i like it!

    Yeah!! Power to the people!! :D
    NOPE!!!

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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    onelongsong wrote:
    here in the states; all it takes is someone to say they're offended. there's nothing you can do about it.
    take the imus incident; whites can have nappy heads if they don't wash their hair for a couple days.

    Well I don't know how it works there ols. But we do seem to have endless debate here. But that's not such a bad thing. I think we are fairly tolerant as a nation, but we do have some fairly entrenched attitudes to things.
    There's a lot going on with racism and footy! :D
    You've gotta love that about Aussies. :rolleyes: We spent months arguing after the Cronulla Riots but we've spent way more time, energy and effort attempting to stop racism in football because everybody loves their footy! :)
    NOPE!!!

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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Jeanie wrote:
    Well I don't know how it works there ols. But we do seem to have endless debate here. But that's not such a bad thing. I think we are fairly tolerant as a nation, but we do have some fairly entrenched attitudes to things.
    There's a lot going on with racism and footy! :D
    You've gotta love that about Aussies. :rolleyes: We spent months arguing after the Cronulla Riots but we've spent way more time, energy and effort attempting to stop racism in football because everybody loves their footy! :)

    people need to get over themselves.
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    onelongsong wrote:
    people need to get over themselves.

    Well I reckon they need to get over footy!! ;) But yes, I agree with you. :)
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  • Drew263
    Drew263 Birmingham, AL Posts: 602
    onelongsong wrote:
    people need to get over themselves.

    I agree!

    What happened to "stick and stones" that I grew up with? Now we're all worried about getting our feelings hurt.

    This Imus thing was ridiculous..not him being fired..that was business, but the spectacle they made over those girls. One of Rutgers' players said she was scarred for life. Are you fucking kidding me? That's her fault..not Imus's. Someone at some point was going to say something to her to "Scar her for life". Her mental weakness is her fault..not society's.
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Drew263 wrote:
    I agree!

    What happened to "stick and stones" that I grew up with? Now we're all worried about getting our feelings hurt.

    This Imus thing was ridiculous..not him being fired..that was business, but the spectacle they made over those girls. One of Rutgers' players said she was scarred for life. Are you fucking kidding me? That's her fault..not Imus's. Someone at some point was going to say something to her to "Scar her for life". Her mental weakness is her fault..not society's.
    I disagree!

    Well, not really .... to be honest, my care level regarding the whole Imus affair is so low as to be off the radar altogether ... I just wanted to post to tell you that you need to post more often :)
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    spiral out wrote:
    I don't think it is paranoid i think it just is. I think corporations, goverment, whoever have created this whole fantasy world for us where the mojority just don't care. As long as they have there fast car and there big house and status nothing else matters.

    I totally agree. The majority of the people have gotten so shallow that they only care about their toys over real world issues. Sheesh, why worry about Peace when you sir, can have a Hummer and a 3,000 square foot house you can't afford!
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    spiral out wrote:
    I don't think it is paranoid i think it just is. I think corporations, goverment, whoever have created this whole fantasy world for us where the mojority just don't care. As long as they have there fast car and there big house and status nothing else matters.

    Well I would have to agree with you spiral. But I'm wondering how to be part of the solution instead of the problem.
    And I'm thinking that the only reason that the majority "doesn't care" is possibly because we need simple, effective things that we can do to stop supporting corporations and governments when they are behaving badly.
    I'm thinking corporations being motivated by money will require us to reconsider our purchases and to somehow find a way to inform others about ethical purchasing. Educating people about the ramifications of finacially supporting some of these businesses.
    And as to the government, well it's not enough to simply vote. It gives them too long between votes to run amok. I think if the government could see that people are becoming more aware and vocal about an issue then they'd probably do one of those little backflip things that they manage from time to time. :)
    But there must be other things. I'd love to hear your thoughts. :)
    NOPE!!!

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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    macgyver06 wrote:
    you may have a problem

    do your eyes get big when i say this word:





    Mall


    Oooh!!! MECCA!!!! :D

    **Jeanie's eyes glaze over and she enters a trance state**
    NOPE!!!

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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    onelongsong wrote:
    if people didn't complain; nobody would care. the government only gets involved if someone complains.

    Well I agree. Think maybe we need to be more organized in our complaining though. And "complain" more by letter writing, voting with our purses, and being vocal when it's required too.
    NOPE!!!

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    Hold on to the thread
    The currents will shift
  • Vedderlution_Baby
    Vedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    Jeanie wrote:
    :confused: what's green disease?
    It's a disease,... and they're all green
    It emminates from their being
    Agitation,.. with occupation

    And like weeds,.. with big leaves
    Stealing light from what's beneath
    Where they have more,...
    Still they take more

    Course I know,.. then I don't
    There's a stoway with my throat
    It's deceiving
    I don't believe him

    We can scream,.. out our doors
    Behind the wall a fat man snores
    In his dreams he's,...
    Choking on leaves

    Well I guess
    There's nothing wrong with what you say
    Believe me
    Just asking you to sway
    No white
    Or black
    Just grey
    Can you feel this,..
    World with your heart and not your brain?


    G-R-E-E-N G-R-E-E-N

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