Are you saying do nothing and that will solve this type of stuff?
If so, I don't agree. If you are saying don't make it public,... I also disagree. My point,... I wouldn't be surprised if that standoff became a bit more intense had the caucasion guy not had a video camera. You and I have no clue that this isn't occurring elsewhere and just not filmed.... so it gets no press. The media can help stop crap like this IMO.
I'm not saying ignore it, but the media tends to make mountains out of mole hills. In my opinion this only empowers these type of people more because it spreads fear and that it want gives them power over others.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
There Is No New Black Panther Party: An Open Letter From the Dr. Huey P. Newton Foundation
In response from numerous requests from individual's seeking information on the "New Black Panthers," the Dr. Huey P. Newton Foundation issues this public statement to correct the distorted record being made in the media by a small band of African Americans calling themselves the New Black Panthers. As guardian of the true history of the Black Panther Party, the Foundation, which includes former leading members of the Party, denounces this group's exploitation of the Party's name and history. Failing to find its own legitimacy in the black community, this band would graft the Party's name upon itself, which we condemn.
Firstly, the people in the New Black Panthers were never members of the Black Panther Party and have no legitimate claim on the Party's name. On the contrary, they would steal the names and pretend to walk in the footsteps of the Party's true heroes, such as Black Panther founder Huey P. Newton, George Jackson and Jonathan Jackson, Bunchy Carter, John Huggins, Fred Hampton, Mark Cark, and so many others who gave their very lives to the black liberation struggle under the Party's banner.
Secondly, they denigrate the Party's name by promoting concepts absolutely counter to the revolutionary principles on which the Party was founded. Their alleged media assault on the Ku Klux Klan serves to incite hatred rather than resolve it. The Party's fundamental principle, as best articulated by the great revolutionary Ernesto "Che" Guevara, was: "A true revolutionary is guided by great feelings of love." The Black Panthers were never a group of angry young militants full of fury toward the "white establishment." The Party operated on love for black people, not hatred of white people.
Furthermore, this group claims it would "teach" the black community about armed self-defense. The arrogance of this claim is overwhelmed by its reactionary nature. Blacks, especially in the South, have been armed in self-defense for a very long time; indeed, the spiritual parent of the Party itself was the Louisiana-based Deacons for Defense. However, the Party understood that the gun was not necessarily revolutionary, for the police and all other oppressive forces had guns. It was the ideology behind the gun that determined its nature.
Because the Party believed that only the masses of people would make the revolution, the Party never presumed itself to be above the people. The Party considered itself a servant of the people and taught by example. Given massive black hunger, the Party provided free breakfast for children and other free food programs. In the absence of decent medical facilities in the black community, the Party operated free medical clinics. In the face of police brutality, the Party stood up and resisted. Considering the overwhelming number of blacks facing trials and long prison terms, the Party developed free legal aids and bussing-to-prison programs.
The question the Foundation raises, then, is who are these people laying claim to the Party's history and name? Are they reactionary provocateurs, who would instigate activities counterproductive to the people's interests, causing mayhem and death? Are they entertainers, who would posture themselves before the media, and, according to numerous sources, with empty guns, to spin gold for themselves? Are they, given the history of their late-leader Khalid Muhammad, a group of anti-Semites like the very Ku Klux Klan they allegedly oppose? What is their agenda?
Conditions for blacks in America today are worse than when the Black Panther Party was formed in 1966. Blacks in the main continue to live in poverty; disproportionate percentages of blacks die from AIDS and cancer, as the black infant mortality rate continues to be double that of whites. There is a desperate need for liberation agenda. The Black Panther Party unarguably set the example, espousing principles and a history that certainly should be embraced by all those still struggling for freedom. Rather than appropriating the Party's name, however, groups that purport to represent African Americans ought to follow the Party's true historical example. In the absence of such commitment, the Foundation denounces the usurpation of the Black Panther Party name by this questionable band of self-appointed leaders.
I'm not saying ignore it, but the media tends to make mountains out of mole hills. In my opinion this only empowers these type of people more because it spreads fear and that it want gives them power over others.
Yeah, but the point is this sets up an argument of election illigitimacy. That's why certain people are broadcasting this stuff. So that they can later on say how a bunch of militants swayed the election.
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I'm not saying ignore it, but the media tends to make mountains out of mole hills. In my opinion this only empowers these type of people more because it spreads fear and that it want gives them power over others.
Sorry, I respect your opinion... But, I just don't understand what your solution is then. You said don't ignore it, but ignore it.
Sorry, I respect your opinion... But, I just don't understand what your solution is then. You said don't ignore it, but ignore it.
If the media was just going to report the incident then yes report it but they are not. They are going to sensationalize it and that just makes matters worse.
No offense but you where even suggesting that it could be happening in other places and your friend was suggesting that people go vote quickly before matters get worse. An isolated incident at one polling station turns into Gangs of Black Panthers preventing Republicans from voting. That is what sensationalizing a small story does.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Yeah, but the point is this sets up an argument of election illigitimacy. That's why certain people are broadcasting this stuff. So that they can later on say how a bunch of militants swayed the election.
I think you'd admit any fraudulant activity in PA (like Philly) should be inspected. This is a true battleground state... perhaps the most coveted state this year. It's not like this is NY (BLUE).
Bottom line: If you can't admit it's ridiculously wrong for these people to do this... you have serious issues. And I love the whole "well, it's Fox News" so it's not true crap. They have video and people claiming it's true with the Black Panther in the background. I totally believe this is true in Philly.
Anyway, no one ever said this will alter the entire election. It may have swayed a few votes... that's all. But, nonetheless, it's completely and totally 100% wrong and if it's even partially accurate;.. these guys should be seriously punished.
Of course its Fox news. Thats because they are the only one who will air it. The rest of the media is so fucking far left that they would not dare to show this bullshit.
Fucking Black Panthers....what if I started the White Lions? Oooooooh thats racist.
Some of you fucking cowards in here I tell ya.
You asked for Obama to be president now you got the mess of idiots that support him.
GOOD LUCK!
Get em a Body Bag Yeeeeeaaaaa!
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
I think you'd admit any fraudulant activity in PA (like Philly) should be inspected. This is a true battleground state... perhaps the most coveted state this year. It's not like this is NY (BLUE).
Any incident should be handled, and this one has been. There will be plenty of incidents, I believe, on both sides. I think there will probably be racist rednecks trying to intimidate voters in the bible belt as well, but that will get less press. I think the point that some people are making here is that Fox News is blowing this way out of proportion. That is the issue.
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Of course its Fox news. Thats because they are the only one who will air it. The rest of the media is so fucking far left that they would not dare to show this bullshit.
Fucking Black Panthers....what if I started the White Lions? Oooooooh thats racist.
Some of you fucking cowards in here I tell ya.
You asked for Obama to be president now you got the mess of idiots that support him.
GOOD LUCK!
Right. The Black Panthers are representative of Obama supporters. Too much, man. You can't honestly be that afraid of black people, can you?
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Of course its Fox news. Thats because they are the only one who will air it. The rest of the media is so fucking far left that they would not dare to show this bullshit.
Fucking Black Panthers....what if I started the White Lions? Oooooooh thats racist.
Some of you fucking cowards in here I tell ya.
You asked for Obama to be president now you got the mess of idiots that support him.
GOOD LUCK!
If the media was just going to report the incident then yes report it but they are not. They are going to sensationalize it and that just makes matters worse.
No offense but you where even suggesting that it could be happening in other places and your friend was suggesting that people go vote quickly before matters get worse. An isolated incident at one polling station turns into Gangs of Black Panthers preventing Republicans from voting. That is what sensationalizing a small story does.
That's because we've heard of our friends being harrassed in Philly voting areas. First, I would not be surprised at all if this activity by the NBPP and the like is somewhat common in North Philly and just not reported because there's no camera .... so it's he said she said. Second, Republican Election Board workers were thrown out of over 6 different election sites in the city. Third, I've heard first hand from two different friends of mine (both white) that they were heckled and called names by about a gang of 50 African Americans as they entered into two different voting sites in West Philly (ironically, one of these guys was voting Obama).
Like I said, if you don't know Philly.... you have no clue how racial issues will affect this area. I don't for one second think this is confined from what I've heard over the past hour from friends and family and news sources.
Right. The Black Panthers are representative of Obama supporters. Too much, man. You can't honestly be that afraid of black people, can you?
I am not afraid of ANY man. I could care less what color they are. If I am so racist and afraid of blacks then why was I the only white guy in the boxing gym in my youth? I could care less. But for those guys to do that is fucking wrong and racist. If you can not see that then you are either blind or afraid.
Get em a Body Bag Yeeeeeaaaaa!
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
They are the only ones reporting it so that means they are blowing out of porportion?
WTF? Give me a small break please.
It was on their front page a little while ago! You're kidding me, right? You think it was worthy of front page coverage? A pencil-necked college kid running up to two guys standing there and yelling "We got a problem here?"
The guys were either arrested or escorted away without major incident. It's taken care of as it should have been. Should we call off the election now? What should we do about this now? What are your suggestions on how this should have been better handled?
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They are the only ones reporting it so that means they are blowing out of porportion?
WTF? Give me a small break please.
What these idiots did is wrong but the media is blowing it out of proportion. It is one isolated incident and they are making it out to be something more.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
That's because we've heard of our friends being harrassed in Philly voting areas. First, I would not be surprised at all if this activity by the NBPP and the like is somewhat common in North Philly and just not reported because there's no camera .... so it's he said she said. Second, Republican Election Board workers were thrown out of over 6 different election sites in the city. Third, I've heard first hand from two different friends of mine (both white) that they were heckled and called names by about a gang of 50 African Americans as they entered into two different voting sites in West Philly (ironically, one of these guys was voting Obama).
Like I said, if you don't know Philly.... you have no clue how racial issues will affect this area. I don't for one second think this is confined from what I've heard over the past hour from friends and family and news sources.
I'm actually curious how things are going in Gray's Ferry in South Philly right now. That location is one of the most racially divided in the city. I might have to swing by there on the way home from work and check it out tonight.
I am not afraid of ANY man. I could care less what color they are. If I am so racist and afraid of blacks then why was I the only white guy in the boxing gym in my youth? I could care less. But for those guys to do that is fucking wrong and racist. If you can not see that then you are either blind or afraid.
We all agree that the two guys standing there with batons were out of line and were rightfully taken out of the area. Let's move past that. They were wrong, yes. Now what?
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Of course its Fox news. Thats because they are the only one who will air it. The rest of the media is so fucking far left that they would not dare to show this bullshit.
Fucking Black Panthers....what if I started the White Lions? Oooooooh thats racist.
Some of you fucking cowards in here I tell ya.
You asked for Obama to be president now you got the mess of idiots that support him.
GOOD LUCK!
Actually, these two men were part of a racist group that is leeching off the name "Black Panthers" and they don't support Obama. So umm...this is pretty much the equivalent of your "White Lions" being tied to John McCain.
It was on their front page a little while ago! You're kidding me, right? You think it was worthy of front page coverage? A pencil-necked college kid running up to two guys standing there and yelling "We got a problem here?"
The guys were either arrested or escorted away without major incident. It's taken care of as it should have been. Should we call off the election now? What should we do about this now? What are your suggestions on how this should have been better handled?
Its just a sign of whats to come after your wonderful Obama is elected.
Get em a Body Bag Yeeeeeaaaaa!
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
I'm actually curious how things are going in Gray's Ferry in South Philly right now. That location is one of the most racially divided in the city. I might have to swing by there on the way home from work and check it out tonight.
Have you heard about the city streets? I heard they are completely mobbed with African Americans just walking around the voting sites with Obama gear on.
That's because we've heard of our friends being harrassed in Philly voting areas. First, I would not be surprised at all if this activity by the NBPP and the like is somewhat common in North Philly and just not reported because there's no camera .... so it's he said she said. Second, Republican Election Board workers were thrown out of over 6 different election sites in the city. Third, I've heard first hand from two different friends of mine (both white) that they were heckled and called names by about a gang of 50 African Americans as they entered into two different voting sites in West Philly (ironically, one of these guys was voting Obama).
Like I said, if you don't know Philly.... you have no clue how racial issues will affect this area. I don't for one second think this is confined from what I've heard over the past hour from friends and family and news sources.
And each situation should be dealt with. No one should be excluded from the election process by anyone and they definitely shouldn't feel threatened to go vote simply based on the color of their skin. I will admit that I don't know Philly to well. I can only go by what I have seen in the NYC area.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Of course its Fox news. Thats because they are the only one who will air it. The rest of the media is so fucking far left that they would not dare to show this bullshit.
Fucking Black Panthers....what if I started the White Lions? Oooooooh thats racist.
Some of you fucking cowards in here I tell ya.
You asked for Obama to be president now you got the mess of idiots that support him.
GOOD LUCK!
Christ almighty you post some ignorant shit man. You're a good guy but you wonder why people jump down your throat all the time?
First of all, if you genuinely think 2 people CLAIMING to be Black Panthers (with no basis as Shawn Smith Collective outlined above with his post from the Black Panther website) are representative of Obama supporters then you need to get a reality check and sort out your "I'm not racist but..." brand of anti-black fear.
Secondly, unlike what I'd imagine you have in mind as a White Lion party, the Panthers were not a self-denoted black supremecist organisation, some of their members might have harboured racist ideologies but black supremecy wasn't a party aim. A panther does not therefore equate to an antithesis of some aryan brotherhood group as you suggest.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
Actually, these two men were part of a racist group that is leeching off the name "Black Panthers" and they don't support Obama. So umm...this is pretty much the equivalent of your "White Lions" being tied to John McCain.
They don't support Obama? Care to make a bet on that? LMAO!
Get em a Body Bag Yeeeeeaaaaa!
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
Its just a sign of whats to come after your wonderful Obama is elected.
And this was my question earlier. You envision large black guys with batons patrolling the streets under an Obama presidency? Please elaborate as to how this is a sign of things to come under Obama.
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Christ almighty you post some ignorant shit man. You're a good guy but you wonder why people jump down your throat all the time?
First of all, if you genuinely think 2 people CLAIMING to be Black Panthers (with no basis as Shawn Smith Collective outlined above with his post from the Black Panther website) are representative of Obama supporters then you need to get a reality check and sort out your "I'm not racist but..." brand of anti-black fear.
Secondly, unlike what I'd imagine you have in mind as a White Lion party, the Panthers were not a self-denoted black supremecist organisation, some of their members might have harboured racist ideologies but black supremecy wasn't a party aim. A panther does not therefore equate to an antithesis of some aryan brotherhood group as you suggest.
You are missing the point completely.
Get em a Body Bag Yeeeeeaaaaa!
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
And this was my question earlier. You envision large black guys with batons patrolling the streets under an Obama presidency? Please elaborate as to how this is a sign of things to come under Obama.
Many many minorities using the excuse that because we now have a black president that they can get away with a lot more bullshit. And i don't mean normal people, I mean trouble makers.
Just wait and see.
Get em a Body Bag Yeeeeeaaaaa!
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
Many many minorities using the excuse that because we now have a black president that they can get away with a lot more bullshit. And i don't mean normal people, I mean trouble makers.
Just wait and see.
So because we have a black president blacks and hispanics are going to cause more trouble. That's what your saying right.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Of course it's possible, with the exception of one idiot on this board everyone pretty much agrees. Shit like this happens in all parts of the nation and it's not right. Those idiots standing there with their rent-a-cop outfits and their night sticks are just as fucked up as some white guy with a white hood on his head and neither should be tolerated. Unfortunately there are assholes like this in our country but instead of glorifying their cause by spreading mass hysteria, I'm not saying that you are doing that, we should largely ignore them for the uneducated bottom dwellers that they are. We should do everything in our power to make sure that their stupid actions have no impact on how society functions.
there's no evidence that they are stopping anyone from voting. In fact they are probably keeping those assholes across the street from intimidating people from voting.
Show me the video where people walk up to the polling place, see these guys and turn around and don't vote.
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I'm not saying ignore it, but the media tends to make mountains out of mole hills. In my opinion this only empowers these type of people more because it spreads fear and that it want gives them power over others.
http://www.blackpanther.org/newsalert.htm
There Is No New Black Panther Party: An Open Letter From the Dr. Huey P. Newton Foundation
In response from numerous requests from individual's seeking information on the "New Black Panthers," the Dr. Huey P. Newton Foundation issues this public statement to correct the distorted record being made in the media by a small band of African Americans calling themselves the New Black Panthers. As guardian of the true history of the Black Panther Party, the Foundation, which includes former leading members of the Party, denounces this group's exploitation of the Party's name and history. Failing to find its own legitimacy in the black community, this band would graft the Party's name upon itself, which we condemn.
Firstly, the people in the New Black Panthers were never members of the Black Panther Party and have no legitimate claim on the Party's name. On the contrary, they would steal the names and pretend to walk in the footsteps of the Party's true heroes, such as Black Panther founder Huey P. Newton, George Jackson and Jonathan Jackson, Bunchy Carter, John Huggins, Fred Hampton, Mark Cark, and so many others who gave their very lives to the black liberation struggle under the Party's banner.
Secondly, they denigrate the Party's name by promoting concepts absolutely counter to the revolutionary principles on which the Party was founded. Their alleged media assault on the Ku Klux Klan serves to incite hatred rather than resolve it. The Party's fundamental principle, as best articulated by the great revolutionary Ernesto "Che" Guevara, was: "A true revolutionary is guided by great feelings of love." The Black Panthers were never a group of angry young militants full of fury toward the "white establishment." The Party operated on love for black people, not hatred of white people.
Furthermore, this group claims it would "teach" the black community about armed self-defense. The arrogance of this claim is overwhelmed by its reactionary nature. Blacks, especially in the South, have been armed in self-defense for a very long time; indeed, the spiritual parent of the Party itself was the Louisiana-based Deacons for Defense. However, the Party understood that the gun was not necessarily revolutionary, for the police and all other oppressive forces had guns. It was the ideology behind the gun that determined its nature.
Because the Party believed that only the masses of people would make the revolution, the Party never presumed itself to be above the people. The Party considered itself a servant of the people and taught by example. Given massive black hunger, the Party provided free breakfast for children and other free food programs. In the absence of decent medical facilities in the black community, the Party operated free medical clinics. In the face of police brutality, the Party stood up and resisted. Considering the overwhelming number of blacks facing trials and long prison terms, the Party developed free legal aids and bussing-to-prison programs.
The question the Foundation raises, then, is who are these people laying claim to the Party's history and name? Are they reactionary provocateurs, who would instigate activities counterproductive to the people's interests, causing mayhem and death? Are they entertainers, who would posture themselves before the media, and, according to numerous sources, with empty guns, to spin gold for themselves? Are they, given the history of their late-leader Khalid Muhammad, a group of anti-Semites like the very Ku Klux Klan they allegedly oppose? What is their agenda?
Conditions for blacks in America today are worse than when the Black Panther Party was formed in 1966. Blacks in the main continue to live in poverty; disproportionate percentages of blacks die from AIDS and cancer, as the black infant mortality rate continues to be double that of whites. There is a desperate need for liberation agenda. The Black Panther Party unarguably set the example, espousing principles and a history that certainly should be embraced by all those still struggling for freedom. Rather than appropriating the Party's name, however, groups that purport to represent African Americans ought to follow the Party's true historical example. In the absence of such commitment, the Foundation denounces the usurpation of the Black Panther Party name by this questionable band of self-appointed leaders.
(Shawn Smith's official website, but not Thee Shawn Smith)
Yeah, but the point is this sets up an argument of election illigitimacy. That's why certain people are broadcasting this stuff. So that they can later on say how a bunch of militants swayed the election.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFOKnJ0oXYY
The cops got rid of the two guys.
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- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
Sorry, I respect your opinion... But, I just don't understand what your solution is then. You said don't ignore it, but ignore it.
If the media was just going to report the incident then yes report it but they are not. They are going to sensationalize it and that just makes matters worse.
No offense but you where even suggesting that it could be happening in other places and your friend was suggesting that people go vote quickly before matters get worse. An isolated incident at one polling station turns into Gangs of Black Panthers preventing Republicans from voting. That is what sensationalizing a small story does.
I think you'd admit any fraudulant activity in PA (like Philly) should be inspected. This is a true battleground state... perhaps the most coveted state this year. It's not like this is NY (BLUE).
Fucking Black Panthers....what if I started the White Lions? Oooooooh thats racist.
Some of you fucking cowards in here I tell ya.
You asked for Obama to be president now you got the mess of idiots that support him.
GOOD LUCK!
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
Any incident should be handled, and this one has been. There will be plenty of incidents, I believe, on both sides. I think there will probably be racist rednecks trying to intimidate voters in the bible belt as well, but that will get less press. I think the point that some people are making here is that Fox News is blowing this way out of proportion. That is the issue.
Right. The Black Panthers are representative of Obama supporters. Too much, man. You can't honestly be that afraid of black people, can you?
WTF? Give me a small break please.
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
AWWWWWWW
You're breaking my fucking heart.
By the way, that was sarcasm.
That's because we've heard of our friends being harrassed in Philly voting areas. First, I would not be surprised at all if this activity by the NBPP and the like is somewhat common in North Philly and just not reported because there's no camera .... so it's he said she said. Second, Republican Election Board workers were thrown out of over 6 different election sites in the city. Third, I've heard first hand from two different friends of mine (both white) that they were heckled and called names by about a gang of 50 African Americans as they entered into two different voting sites in West Philly (ironically, one of these guys was voting Obama).
Like I said, if you don't know Philly.... you have no clue how racial issues will affect this area. I don't for one second think this is confined from what I've heard over the past hour from friends and family and news sources.
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
It was on their front page a little while ago! You're kidding me, right? You think it was worthy of front page coverage? A pencil-necked college kid running up to two guys standing there and yelling "We got a problem here?"
The guys were either arrested or escorted away without major incident. It's taken care of as it should have been. Should we call off the election now? What should we do about this now? What are your suggestions on how this should have been better handled?
What these idiots did is wrong but the media is blowing it out of proportion. It is one isolated incident and they are making it out to be something more.
I'm actually curious how things are going in Gray's Ferry in South Philly right now. That location is one of the most racially divided in the city. I might have to swing by there on the way home from work and check it out tonight.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
We all agree that the two guys standing there with batons were out of line and were rightfully taken out of the area. Let's move past that. They were wrong, yes. Now what?
Actually, these two men were part of a racist group that is leeching off the name "Black Panthers" and they don't support Obama. So umm...this is pretty much the equivalent of your "White Lions" being tied to John McCain.
(Shawn Smith's official website, but not Thee Shawn Smith)
Its just a sign of whats to come after your wonderful Obama is elected.
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
Have you heard about the city streets? I heard they are completely mobbed with African Americans just walking around the voting sites with Obama gear on.
And each situation should be dealt with. No one should be excluded from the election process by anyone and they definitely shouldn't feel threatened to go vote simply based on the color of their skin. I will admit that I don't know Philly to well. I can only go by what I have seen in the NYC area.
First of all, if you genuinely think 2 people CLAIMING to be Black Panthers (with no basis as Shawn Smith Collective outlined above with his post from the Black Panther website) are representative of Obama supporters then you need to get a reality check and sort out your "I'm not racist but..." brand of anti-black fear.
Secondly, unlike what I'd imagine you have in mind as a White Lion party, the Panthers were not a self-denoted black supremecist organisation, some of their members might have harboured racist ideologies but black supremecy wasn't a party aim. A panther does not therefore equate to an antithesis of some aryan brotherhood group as you suggest.
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
What is too come, please tell us?
And this was my question earlier. You envision large black guys with batons patrolling the streets under an Obama presidency? Please elaborate as to how this is a sign of things to come under Obama.
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
Just wait and see.
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
So because we have a black president blacks and hispanics are going to cause more trouble. That's what your saying right.
there's no evidence that they are stopping anyone from voting. In fact they are probably keeping those assholes across the street from intimidating people from voting.
Show me the video where people walk up to the polling place, see these guys and turn around and don't vote.