Your 3 fav U.S presidents

hippiemom

soulsinging wrote:

i often wish they had. id be a lot happier if the south were a different country and didnt have any say in my federal government.

I can't even tell you how many times I've had that exact thought. That was the deciding factor that gave Jefferson the #3 spot on my list.

Purple Hawk

hippiemom wrote:

I can't even tell you how many times I've had that exact thought.

damned hayseed rednecks...seriously, how brainwashed can you be...a bunch of losers that sit around drinking coor's light and watching NASCAR. complete idiots, racists, sexists, homophobes, etc. hate 'em.

hippiemom

Purple Hawk wrote:

damned hayseed rednecks...seriously, how brainwashed can you be...a bunch of losers that sit around drinking coor's light and watching NASCAR. complete idiots, racists, sexists, homophobes, etc. hate 'em.

I have no idea what southerners do with their spare time, but I do know how they vote, and I'd be happier if their votes didn't affect me.

Purple Hawk

hippiemom wrote:

I have no idea what southerners do with their spare time, but I do know how they vote, and I'd be happier if their votes didn't affect me.

ok...i really don't understand your point...basically, you don't want people who disagree with you to have a say in your bubble...

evidence (fiorina 2005) shows that people in the south or midwest don't think differently than the bastian of brilliance of the blue states, but continue to look down upon those who disagree with you, and see how far it takes you.

hippiemom

Purple Hawk wrote:

ok...i really don't understand your point...basically, you don't want people who disagree with you to have a say in your bubble...

evidence (fiorina 2005) shows that people in the south or midwest don't think differently than the bastian of brilliance of the blue states, but continue to look down upon those who disagree with you, and see how far it takes you.

Yes, I do look down on them. I look down on people who are stupid enough to believe all the bullshit that's been spoonfed to them by this administration ever since 9/11. I look down on people who choose not to see what they don't want to see, which is what everyone else in the entire world knows ... that this war had nothing to do with weapons of mass destruction, or bringing freedom to the Iraqi people, or whatever the lie of the day might be today. I look down on people who don't think that the Bill of Rights is something to be cherished and protected. I look down on people who think that fundamentals of justice that have been in place since the 12th century can be tossed out the window on the whim of a president who couldn't speak a coherent sentence to save his life. I look down on people who claim to be "conservative" and still support a man who has driven us further into debt than all previous presidents combined. I look down on people who think that their invisible friend in heaven should have any say at all over what I or any other American should be permitted to say or do.

If that happens to encompass a good number of southern voters, so be it. I harbor no hard feelings towards anyone who doesn't fit the profile above.

Purple Hawk

hippiemom wrote:

Yes, I do look down on them. I look down on people who are stupid enough to believe all the bullshit that's been spoonfed to them by this administration ever since 9/11. I look down on people who choose not to see what they don't want to see, which is what everyone else in the entire world knows ... that this war had nothing to do with weapons of mass destruction, or bringing freedom to the Iraqi people, or whatever the lie of the day might be today. I look down on people who don't think that the Bill of Rights is something to be cherished and protected. I look down on people who think that fundamentals of justice that have been in place since the 12th century can be tossed out the window on the whim of a president who couldn't speak a coherent sentence to save his life. I look down on people who claim to be "conservative" and still support a man who has driven us further into debt than all previous presidents combined. I look down on people who think that their invisible friend in heaven should have any say at all over what I or any other American should be permitted to say or do.

If that happens to encompass a good number of southern voters, so be it. I harbor no hard feelings towards anyone who doesn't fit the profile above.

well, i look down upon people who are so afraid to acknowledge the dangers of the real world...i look down upon people who are so obsessed with hating Bush, that they don't recognize that the central front in the war on terrorism IS Iraq today..i look down upon people who would rather lose, because it would prove Bush was wrong for going in the first place, instead of living in the moment, and doing what needs to be done. I also look down upon people who view death counts as a barometer of success rather than achieved goals.

i also look down upon people who put politics above reality.

seriously...has the bill of rights been violated? it hasn't. I look down upon utopian idiots who say that the other side is drilling for fear, while while at the same time they are doing the same thing. they are scaring people to believe that the bill of rights is being torn to shreds, without offering ANY evidence.

as far as your other stereotypical drivel, that there is some group of radical evangelicals in the south wanting to shove their religion onto you...seriously, who is drilling for fear?

hippiemom

Purple Hawk wrote:

well, i look down upon people who are so afraid to acknowledge the dangers of the real world...i look down upon people who are so obsessed with hating Bush, that they don't recognize that the central front in the war on terrorism IS Iraq today..i look down upon people who would rather lose, because it would prove Bush was wrong for going in the first place, instead of living in the moment, and doing what needs to be done. I also look down upon people who view death counts as a barometer of success rather than achieved goals.

i also look down upon people who put politics above reality.

seriously...has the bill of rights been violated? it hasn't. I look down upon utopian idiots who say the other side is drilling for fear while out the other side of their ass, they are scaring people to believe that the bill of rights is being torn to shreds, without offering ANY evidence.

as far as your other stereotypical drivel, that there is some group of radical evangelicals in the south wanting to shove their religion onto you...seriously, who is drilling for fear?

Yes, there is a very large group of conservatives who would be more than happy to shove their religion down all our throats, provided the opportunity. They are the reason we had a week of congressional hearings over one women with a gelatinous brain. They are the reason that we don't fund research with the potential to cure dozens of deadly diseases, but we DO fund educational programs with an oh-so-sophisticated, not to mention oh-so-realistic, curriculum that can be summarized as "don't fuck." They are the reason it took three years longer than it should have for a perfectly safe and effective birth control pill to be approved for over-the-counter sale. I could go on and on and on, but I'm sure you get the idea. These people are not a figment of my imagination, they are real, and they are out there mucking up my country.

As for the Bill of Rights, you don't have to read very far into it to find violations. How does "the right of the people peaceably to assemble" square with "free speech zones"? How about the Fourth Amendment, in light of warrantless wiretapping? Or the Sixth Amendment, in light of all the people sitting in jail right now, charges yet to be brought? Again, I could go on, but why bother. You apparently enjoy being lied to, who am I to spoil all your fun.

Skitch Patterson

hippiemom wrote:

Yes, there is a very large group of conservatives who would be more than happy to shove their religion down all our throats, provided the opportunity. They are the reason we had a week of congressional hearings over one women with a gelatinous brain. They are the reason that we don't fund research with the potential to cure dozens of deadly diseases, but we DO fund educational programs with an oh-so-sophisticated, not to mention oh-so-realistic, curriculum that can be summarized as "don't fuck." They are the reason it took three years longer than it should have for a perfectly safe and effective birth control pill to be approved for over-the-counter sale. I could go on and on and on, but I'm sure you get the idea. These people are not a figment of my imagination, they are real, and they are out there mucking up my country.

wow, i have never seen you goaded into such a response.

Purple Hawk

hippiemom wrote:

Yes, there is a very large group of conservatives who would be more than happy to shove their religion down all our throats, provided the opportunity. They are the reason we had a week of congressional hearings over one women with a gelatinous brain. They are the reason that we don't fund research with the potential to cure dozens of deadly diseases, but we DO fund educational programs with an oh-so-sophisticated, not to mention oh-so-realistic, curriculum that can be summarized as "don't fuck." They are the reason it took three years longer than it should have for a perfectly safe and effective birth control pill to be approved for over-the-counter sale. I could go on and on and on, but I'm sure you get the idea. These people are not a figment of my imagination, they are real, and they are out there mucking up my country.

As for the Bill of Rights, you don't have to read very far into it to find violations. How does "the right of the people peaceably to assemble" square with "free speech zones"? How about the Fourth Amendment, in light of warrantless wiretapping? Or the Sixth Amendment, in light of all the people sitting in jail right now, charges yet to be brought? Again, I could go on, but why bother. You apparently enjoy being lied to, who am I to spoil all your fun.

Please do go on...because I would like to understand HOW the NSA program violates the 4th Amendment...it doesn't. but continute to talk in vagaries.


one thing that i would like to call you out on .... is this blatent lie: "They are the reason that we don't fund research with the potential to cure dozens of deadly diseases"

that's a lie...i assume you are speaking of embryonic stem cell...and cloning. just to get the information out there, most republicans don't have a problem using embryonic stem cells that are out there, even though embryonic stem cells seem to be going no where. interestingly, liars like fox, like to insinuate that republicans are against all stem cell research, when in fact they support it. in any event, just because you don't believe in creating embryonic stem cells with the sole goal of destryoing them doesn't mean you want to block science from advancing cures. in fact, please, provide ANY shred of evidence to back up your assinine claim that embryonic stem cell research offers hope. please, do it.

kenny olav

Here's the three Presidents I consider the least bad:

1. Thomas Jefferson
2. John Quincy Adams
3. James Madison

mwachsman

Kenny Olav wrote:

Here's the three Presidents I consider the least bad:

Lol, that's how I think of it too.

Songburst

Purple Hawk wrote:

well, i look down upon people who are so afraid to acknowledge the dangers of the real world...i look down upon people who are so obsessed with hating Bush, that they don't recognize that the central front in the war on terrorism IS Iraq today..i look down upon people who would rather lose, because it would prove Bush was wrong for going in the first place, instead of living in the moment, and doing what needs to be done. I also look down upon people who view death counts as a barometer of success rather than achieved goals.

i also look down upon people who put politics above reality.

seriously...has the bill of rights been violated? it hasn't. I look down upon utopian idiots who say that the other side is drilling for fear, while while at the same time they are doing the same thing. they are scaring people to believe that the bill of rights is being torn to shreds, without offering ANY evidence.

as far as your other stereotypical drivel, that there is some group of radical evangelicals in the south wanting to shove their religion onto you...seriously, who is drilling for fear?

Do you not recognize that the front on the war on terror is in Iraq because of Bush's war? Without this war, the people of Iraq would be suffering about the same as they are now, but Iraq wouldn't be a terrorist breeding ground.

Death counts are a barometer of success. Even on D-Day, Eisenhower anticipated that as many as 7/10 Americans hitting the beaches of France would die. Anything greater than that would have been a failure. The war on Germany was important enough to accept a 70% casualty rate. What are you willing to accept for this "war on terror"? Would you sacrifice your life for this cause?

soulsinging

Purple Hawk wrote:

seriously...has the bill of rights been violated? it hasn't. I look down upon utopian idiots who say that the other side is drilling for fear, while while at the same time they are doing the same thing. they are scaring people to believe that the bill of rights is being torn to shreds, without offering ANY evidence.

tapping phones without any warrant or due process.

several hundred "suspected" terrorists rounded up and caged without a trial, an attorney, or even charges brought (and weren't you calling people out on fdr's internment camps?).

free speech zones where you have to sign and declare your allegiance just to be allowed to hear the president speak in 2004.

Purple Hawk wrote:

as far as your other stereotypical drivel, that there is some group of radical evangelicals in the south wanting to shove their religion onto you...seriously, who is drilling for fear?

plan b was shelved despite overwhelming medical support solely becos of political pressure.

funding has been cut for any sex ed programs that do not preach abstinence and abstinence only. when such programs were found ineffective by gov study... funding for the study was cut.

stem cell research restrictions (restrictions even those bastions of conservatism, the reagans, opposed when THEIR pappy got the big bad alzheimer's)

a week of our congress wasting my money by passing special legislation to keep a brain dead girl alive for no apparent reason.

Purple Hawk wrote:

well, i look down upon people who are so afraid to acknowledge the dangers of the real world...i look down upon people who are so obsessed with hating Bush, that they don't recognize that the central front in the war on terrorism IS Iraq today..i look down upon people who would rather lose, because it would prove Bush was wrong for going in the first place, instead of living in the moment, and doing what needs to be done. I also look down upon people who view death counts as a barometer of success rather than achieved goals.

the central front in the war on terrorism is iraq now, becos we made it so. it WAS afghanistan. why did we cut and run from afghanistan? why did we give up on bin laden and the taliban to go rushing into iraq with no plan? why turn our attention to an isolated and insular regime that was going to right itself when its despot died anyway? we had a shot at building a powerful and stable islamic democracy in afghanistan with universal support, but we blew it. now, what is the plan for stabilizing iraq? what is success there? nobody knows.

soulsinging

Purple Hawk wrote:

ok...i really don't understand your point...basically, you don't want people who disagree with you to have a say in your bubble...

evidence (fiorina 2005) shows that people in the south or midwest don't think differently than the bastian of brilliance of the blue states, but continue to look down upon those who disagree with you, and see how far it takes you.

arent you a proponent of states' rights? or are you one of the new neocons, whose idea of conservative means a giant, all-powerful, monolithic government dictating every aspect of our lives? cos otherwise, how is what she is saying any diff? she didnt say we should disenfranchise southerners. just that it might be nice if they had their own country so they could enact all those policies you feel are so necessary. they could all be over in iraq making the world safe for democracy or whatever. meanwhile, the rest of us could let the middle east sort its own problems out while we focused on making sure american kids had health care and decent schools. doesn't seem like such a bad compromise.

ItsEvolutionBaby74

Well,

1) F.D.R

2) Bill Clinton (not joking, no flames please)

3) Jimmy Carter

I absolutely hate Ronald Reagan, he took credit for all the humanitarian and economic work of Jimmy Carter and greatly increased the homeless population.

Dustin51

Warren G. Harding

Will Henry Harrison

James Polk

Purple Hawk

soulsinging wrote:

arent you a proponent of states' rights? or are you one of the new neocons, whose idea of conservative means a giant, all-powerful, monolithic government dictating every aspect of our lives? cos otherwise, how is what she is saying any diff? she didnt say we should disenfranchise southerners. just that it might be nice if they had their own country so they could enact all those policies you feel are so necessary. they could all be over in iraq making the world safe for democracy or whatever. meanwhile, the rest of us could let the middle east sort its own problems out while we focused on making sure american kids had health care and decent schools. doesn't seem like such a bad compromise.

this post is a parody. original thought is always nice. you really need to break out of the bubble of friends with which you currently discuss politics.

ItsEvolutionBaby74

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

Abe Lincoln
Harry Truman
Ronald Reagan

I hate Harry Truman, he nuked Japan thoughtlessly and was responsible for my family's wealth being stripped away, I don't understand what about him you admire.

Purple Hawk

soulsinging wrote:

tapping phones without any warrant or due process.

several hundred "suspected" terrorists rounded up and caged without a trial, an attorney, or even charges brought (and weren't you calling people out on fdr's internment camps?).

free speech zones where you have to sign and declare your allegiance just to be allowed to hear the president speak in 2004.



plan b was shelved despite overwhelming medical support solely becos of political pressure.

funding has been cut for any sex ed programs that do not preach abstinence and abstinence only. when such programs were found ineffective by gov study... funding for the study was cut.

stem cell research restrictions (restrictions even those bastions of conservatism, the reagans, opposed when THEIR pappy got the big bad alzheimer's)

a week of our congress wasting my money by passing special legislation to keep a brain dead girl alive for no apparent reason.



the central front in the war on terrorism is iraq now, becos we made it so. it WAS afghanistan. why did we cut and run from afghanistan? why did we give up on bin laden and the taliban to go rushing into iraq with no plan? why turn our attention to an isolated and insular regime that was going to right itself when its despot died anyway? we had a shot at building a powerful and stable islamic democracy in afghanistan with universal support, but we blew it. now, what is the plan for stabilizing iraq? what is success there? nobody knows.

thank you.

you did not say how "this administration" *insert imperial march here* violated the 4th amendment.

also, you did not present ANY evidence that cloning embryos contributes to the cures of disease...

you also refuse to face reality. you DID acknowledge that Iraq is a central front...but you don't want to win b/c Bush created the front. whatever.

politics above country, i wish the people you vote for were as blunt...because they'd lose.

South of Seattle

Purple Hawk wrote:

in fact, please, provide ANY shred of evidence to back up your assinine claim that embryonic stem cell research offers hope. please, do it.

Isn't hope believing that a positive outcome is possible even when there is some evidence to the contrary?

How can you come up with a solution if you don't try anything?