carter had beliefs and governed by them, which is why you and your ilk loathe him so much...
Carter was one of the worst presidents by most standards. Not because of his beliefs or principles, but because of his inability to run the organization. He had no ability to delegate and micromanaged everything. As a result nothing got accomplished. He was inept and completely out of his league.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
Carter was one of the worst presidents by most standards. Not because of his beliefs or principles, but because of his inability to run the organization. He had no ability to delegate and micromanaged everything. As a result nothing got accomplished. He was inept and completely out of his league.
im not saying he was a great president, im saying having beliefs and governing by them doesn't make you a great president. carter was a true man of principle and it made him a great former president and a completely out of touch sitting president. likewise, dubya's lack of connection to reality has turned his entire term into a gigantic clusterfuck. he will go down with lbj in disgrace... a president at a pivotal crossroads in us history who completely bungled the job. in many ways, our current situation is still fallout from lbj's mistakes... dubya just picked the scab and set this country's recovery back another few decades. well done mr president, well done. neither dubya, carter, nor lbj has any place on this list.
im not saying he was a great president, im saying having beliefs and governing by them doesn't make you a great president. carter was a true man of principle and it made him a great former president and a completely out of touch sitting president. likewise, dubya's lack of connection to reality has turned his entire term into a gigantic clusterfuck. he will go down with lbj in disgrace... a president at a pivotal crossroads in us history who completely bungled the job. in many ways, our current situation is still fallout from lbj's mistakes... dubya just picked the scab and set this country's recovery back another few decades. well done mr president, well done. neither dubya, carter, nor lbj has any place on this list.
Cool. I think I agree with everything you just typed in this post.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
im not saying he was a great president, im saying having beliefs and governing by them doesn't make you a great president. carter was a true man of principle and it made him a great former president and a completely out of touch sitting president. likewise, dubya's lack of connection to reality has turned his entire term into a gigantic clusterfuck. he will go down with lbj in disgrace... a president at a pivotal crossroads in us history who completely bungled the job. in many ways, our current situation is still fallout from lbj's mistakes... dubya just picked the scab and set this country's recovery back another few decades. well done mr president, well done. neither dubya, carter, nor lbj has any place on this list.
I like this post.
Carter was a decent human being and I would not say that about too many presidents. But he was not a great leader and turned out to be a pretty weak president.
And LBJ and Dubya keep (kept) on getting deeper and deeper.
Fining my three favorite presidents is difficult. Because whoever took a shot at hippiemom because she had three racists on her list is right. The Japanese internment camps are pretty hard to make up for. But I have to take someone. Nixon had decent domestic policy, but I can't forgive him for Pinochet.
So I have to go the hippiemom route:
FDR, Lincoln (he freed the slaves even if he did not care about doing it), and Truman.
**It does say "favorite" and not "best" so I suppose Carter could be on their, as he is (as Soulsinging alludes to) the best "former President."
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Washington, Lincoln, Teddy historically, but I really like JFK and Reagan in more modern times.
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I don't personally have favourites. They all had good and bad qualities.
I would like to point out that Andrew Jackson invented the "Greenbacks" which intended to drive international bankers and fractional-reserve banking out of the United States, alas he failed, besides that he probably sucked too.
I don't know what my problem is, but I don't pick favourites. I don't have a favourite band, or favourite colour. They are all good and bad in some respects. I see a fundamental flaw in drawing a line between good and bad and sorting things out that way.
For example, George Washington, signed the Declaration of Independance (Good), owned slaves (Bad). Am I right? Ironically the Declaration of Independance likely helped free slaves. George Washington was just a man, they are all just men.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Carter was one of the worst presidents by most standards. Not because of his beliefs or principles, but because of his inability to run the organization. He had no ability to delegate and micromanaged everything. As a result nothing got accomplished. He was inept and completely out of his league.
George W is out of his league...his admistration uses war and fear to cover up their micromanagement and ineptness...
who are people like you and what makes you so superior to everyone else?
who are people that think people who vote Republican, you must be stupid? who are the people that think if you own a gun you are stupid? live in a red state? stupid. go to church? stupid. join the military? stupid. don't buy into zinn, chomsky, et al.? stupid. watch NASCAR? stupid.
my question is who are the people that buy into all these stereotypes, and what makes them so superior to everyone else?
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
1.George W. Bush=after 911 he led the country and the westen world to freedom and his will to wipe out terrorist's/toppel dictator's/support Israel and stand up for people with morel value's makes him the best American president in history.And history will prove this.
2.Abe Lincoln=I don think I have to say anything here.Jus like GWB he fought for the freedom of ALL American's.
3.Andrew Jackson=help'd shape America.Controversal but none the less a hero among American's.
I’d thank my lucky stars,
to be livin here today.
‘Cause the flag still stands for freedom,
and they can’t take that away.
And I’m proud to be an American,
where at least I know I’m free.
And I wont forget the men who died,
who gave that right to me.
1.George W. Bush=after 911 he led the country and the westen world to freedom and his will to wipe out terrorist's/toppel dictator's/support Israel and stand up for people with morel value's makes him the best American president in history.And history will prove this.
But History will probably look at him as either an awful president, or one of the greatest. many of the people that make the tough decisions are on this list as the best presidents- Roosevelt's, Reagan, Lincoln, Washington, Truman, etc.... for better or worse...
what you dont see on this list are Harrison, McKinley, Cleveland, Fillmore, etc- guys that didnt do shit.
as awful as a lot of what W's stuff seems to look like now, there is no way for us to objectively view it, because most of it hasnt unfolded yet. Lets say a bright, young, idealistic leader gets elected in Iraq and is very popular there, and the nation, and helps the middle east stabalize. Does that mean Bush should get all the credit? No. But when people look back in 50 years, they wont be talking about haliburton or pat tillman.
But History will probably look at him as either an awful president, or one of the greatest. many of the people that make the tough decisions are on this list as the best presidents- Roosevelt's, Reagan, Lincoln, Washington, Truman, etc.... for better or worse...
what you dont see on this list are Harrison, McKinley, Cleveland, Fillmore, etc- guys that didnt do shit.
as awful as a lot of what W's stuff seems to look like now, there is no way for us to objectively view it, because most of it hasnt unfolded yet. Lets say a bright, young, idealistic leader gets elected in Iraq and is very popular there, and the nation, and helps the middle east stabalize. Does that mean Bush should get all the credit? No. But when people look back in 50 years, they wont be talking about haliburton or pat tillman.
What tough decision did he make? He has made soem horrible ones including one monumental one.
Going into Iraq was not tough it was STUPID. That is what history will see.
What tough decision did he make? He has made soem horrible ones including one monumental one.
Going into Iraq was not tough it was STUPID. That is what history will see.
The odds are, you're probably right.
But thanks for proving EXACTLY what i was saying. we cant view it objectively now. We're too involved with the day to day to know exactly what the big picture is going to bear out. The details have a tendency to disappear based on the final outcome. Those of us who read the news everday, read about another 20 dead troops, another suicide bomber, etc, wont be the ones makeing the judgements in 50 years.
Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
1.George W. Bush=after 911 he led the country and the westen world to freedom and his will to wipe out terrorist's/toppel dictator's/support Israel and stand up for people with morel value's makes him the best American president in history.And history will prove this.
2.Abe Lincoln=I don think I have to say anything here.Jus like GWB he fought for the freedom of ALL American's.
3.Andrew Jackson=help'd shape America.Controversal but none the less a hero among American's.
i like people who think it is very important to have morel values that they cannot even spell themselves.
who are people that think people who vote Republican, you must be stupid? who are the people that think if you own a gun you are stupid? live in a red state? stupid. go to church? stupid. join the military? stupid. don't buy into zinn, chomsky, et al.? stupid. watch NASCAR? stupid.
my question is who are the people that buy into all these stereotypes, and what makes them so superior to everyone else?
i agree with you. just a bit disappointed you stoop to their level.
1.George W. Bush=after 911 he led the country and the westen world to freedom and his will to wipe out terrorist's/toppel dictator's/support Israel and stand up for people with morel value's makes him the best American president in history.And history will prove this.
2.Abe Lincoln=I don think I have to say anything here.Jus like GWB he fought for the freedom of ALL American's.
3.Andrew Jackson=help'd shape America.Controversal but none the less a hero among American's.
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Carter was one of the worst presidents by most standards. Not because of his beliefs or principles, but because of his inability to run the organization. He had no ability to delegate and micromanaged everything. As a result nothing got accomplished. He was inept and completely out of his league.
im not saying he was a great president, im saying having beliefs and governing by them doesn't make you a great president. carter was a true man of principle and it made him a great former president and a completely out of touch sitting president. likewise, dubya's lack of connection to reality has turned his entire term into a gigantic clusterfuck. he will go down with lbj in disgrace... a president at a pivotal crossroads in us history who completely bungled the job. in many ways, our current situation is still fallout from lbj's mistakes... dubya just picked the scab and set this country's recovery back another few decades. well done mr president, well done. neither dubya, carter, nor lbj has any place on this list.
Cool. I think I agree with everything you just typed in this post.
I like this post.
Carter was a decent human being and I would not say that about too many presidents. But he was not a great leader and turned out to be a pretty weak president.
And LBJ and Dubya keep (kept) on getting deeper and deeper.
Fining my three favorite presidents is difficult. Because whoever took a shot at hippiemom because she had three racists on her list is right. The Japanese internment camps are pretty hard to make up for. But I have to take someone. Nixon had decent domestic policy, but I can't forgive him for Pinochet.
So I have to go the hippiemom route:
FDR, Lincoln (he freed the slaves even if he did not care about doing it), and Truman.
**It does say "favorite" and not "best" so I suppose Carter could be on their, as he is (as Soulsinging alludes to) the best "former President."
Lincoln
Teddy
Truman
JK,
Washington, Lincoln, Teddy historically, but I really like JFK and Reagan in more modern times.
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
2. Reagan - Saved Democracy
3. Lincoln - Saved the Union
Yeah, that's better.
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
I would like to point out that Andrew Jackson invented the "Greenbacks" which intended to drive international bankers and fractional-reserve banking out of the United States, alas he failed, besides that he probably sucked too.
I don't know what my problem is, but I don't pick favourites. I don't have a favourite band, or favourite colour. They are all good and bad in some respects. I see a fundamental flaw in drawing a line between good and bad and sorting things out that way.
For example, George Washington, signed the Declaration of Independance (Good), owned slaves (Bad). Am I right? Ironically the Declaration of Independance likely helped free slaves. George Washington was just a man, they are all just men.
George W is out of his league...his admistration uses war and fear to cover up their micromanagement and ineptness...
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who are people that think people who vote Republican, you must be stupid? who are the people that think if you own a gun you are stupid? live in a red state? stupid. go to church? stupid. join the military? stupid. don't buy into zinn, chomsky, et al.? stupid. watch NASCAR? stupid.
my question is who are the people that buy into all these stereotypes, and what makes them so superior to everyone else?
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
2.Abe Lincoln=I don think I have to say anything here.Jus like GWB he fought for the freedom of ALL American's.
3.Andrew Jackson=help'd shape America.Controversal but none the less a hero among American's.
to be livin here today.
‘Cause the flag still stands for freedom,
and they can’t take that away.
And I’m proud to be an American,
where at least I know I’m free.
And I wont forget the men who died,
who gave that right to me.
Now this one HAS to be sarcastic.
It may be. It may be not.
But History will probably look at him as either an awful president, or one of the greatest. many of the people that make the tough decisions are on this list as the best presidents- Roosevelt's, Reagan, Lincoln, Washington, Truman, etc.... for better or worse...
what you dont see on this list are Harrison, McKinley, Cleveland, Fillmore, etc- guys that didnt do shit.
as awful as a lot of what W's stuff seems to look like now, there is no way for us to objectively view it, because most of it hasnt unfolded yet. Lets say a bright, young, idealistic leader gets elected in Iraq and is very popular there, and the nation, and helps the middle east stabalize. Does that mean Bush should get all the credit? No. But when people look back in 50 years, they wont be talking about haliburton or pat tillman.
What tough decision did he make? He has made soem horrible ones including one monumental one.
Going into Iraq was not tough it was STUPID. That is what history will see.
The odds are, you're probably right.
But thanks for proving EXACTLY what i was saying. we cant view it objectively now. We're too involved with the day to day to know exactly what the big picture is going to bear out. The details have a tendency to disappear based on the final outcome. Those of us who read the news everday, read about another 20 dead troops, another suicide bomber, etc, wont be the ones makeing the judgements in 50 years.
kennedy
clinton
dreamer in my dream
we got the guns
i love you,but im..............callin out.........callin out
Damn it, you just took my list of favorite presidents.
i like people who think it is very important to have morel values that they cannot even spell themselves.
i agree with you. just a bit disappointed you stoop to their level.
That's a contradiction my friend.
No shit?
I don't get it.