Your 3 fav U.S presidents

Smellyman2

Purple Hawk wrote:

offer specifics, and I will...I admire him more than any othe U.S. President since TR

Thre are about 10 million reasons why he will never be considered the best. More likely the bottom 3 if not the worst.

If you can't see that by now you never will. It is either a Jedi mind trick or blind faith.

Abuskedti

Purple Hawk wrote:

offer specifics, and I will...I admire him more than any othe U.S. President since TR

You admire him? That is something I can not understand. He is basically in a battle with most of America.

Purple Hawk

Abuskedti wrote:

You admire him? That is something I can not understand.

yeah, unfortunately there are lots of things that people like me understand that people like you don't. read, and pay attention. that's my only advice.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

Abe Lincoln
Harry Truman
Ronald Reagan

hippiemom

Purple Hawk wrote:

I'm surprised at your choices hippiemom, given that you chose two slave holders, three racists, and one guy who locked up a bunch of japs. and you actually ADMIRE these people? why?

I did the best I could with what I had to work with.

walkthamile

Purple Hawk wrote:

offer specifics, and I will...I admire him more than any othe U.S. President since TR

Well how about the fact that it is probably not George W that you admire but more like Dick Cheney. Cheney makes the hard decisions and has more pull, despite being the Vice pres.

Now what was that about making hard decisions for America, this guy can't even stand over his own Vice pres.

He is nothing more than a puupet being lead around by an evil mob.

In time he and this administration will be exposed as one of the worst ever!

mookie blaylock 10

1, dread pirate roberts
2. tinky winky
3. big bird

soulsinging

Purple Hawk wrote:

the question wasn't who are the most irrelvent presidents.

the critics are all you have to point to. W will go down with Lincoln and TR as one of the best presidents because they are innovative and confident. they don't care about being liked (clinton), they know what's right, and do what's right.

dubya will go down with lbj as one of our most disgraced presidents. someone who had a change to take this country in a bold new direction and completely fucked it up by dragging us into a pointless war with no end instead.

soulsinging

Purple Hawk wrote:

JFK has much more in common with George W than he does with Clinton.

if you're seriously going to defend carter...dude, devise a different strategy.

Again, George W has beliefs, and governs by them. I appreciate that rather than someone searching for a legacy...and history will prove me right.

carter had beliefs and governed by them, which is why you and your ilk loathe him so much...

soulsinging

Purple Hawk wrote:

yeah, unfortunately there are lots of things that people like me understand that people like you don't. read, and pay attention. that's my only advice.

who are people like you and what makes you so superior to everyone else?

jeffbr

soulsinging wrote:

carter had beliefs and governed by them, which is why you and your ilk loathe him so much...

Carter was one of the worst presidents by most standards. Not because of his beliefs or principles, but because of his inability to run the organization. He had no ability to delegate and micromanaged everything. As a result nothing got accomplished. He was inept and completely out of his league.

soulsinging

jeffbr wrote:

Carter was one of the worst presidents by most standards. Not because of his beliefs or principles, but because of his inability to run the organization. He had no ability to delegate and micromanaged everything. As a result nothing got accomplished. He was inept and completely out of his league.

im not saying he was a great president, im saying having beliefs and governing by them doesn't make you a great president. carter was a true man of principle and it made him a great former president and a completely out of touch sitting president. likewise, dubya's lack of connection to reality has turned his entire term into a gigantic clusterfuck. he will go down with lbj in disgrace... a president at a pivotal crossroads in us history who completely bungled the job. in many ways, our current situation is still fallout from lbj's mistakes... dubya just picked the scab and set this country's recovery back another few decades. well done mr president, well done. neither dubya, carter, nor lbj has any place on this list.

jeffbr

soulsinging wrote:

im not saying he was a great president, im saying having beliefs and governing by them doesn't make you a great president. carter was a true man of principle and it made him a great former president and a completely out of touch sitting president. likewise, dubya's lack of connection to reality has turned his entire term into a gigantic clusterfuck. he will go down with lbj in disgrace... a president at a pivotal crossroads in us history who completely bungled the job. in many ways, our current situation is still fallout from lbj's mistakes... dubya just picked the scab and set this country's recovery back another few decades. well done mr president, well done. neither dubya, carter, nor lbj has any place on this list.

Cool. I think I agree with everything you just typed in this post.

Uncle Leo

soulsinging wrote:

im not saying he was a great president, im saying having beliefs and governing by them doesn't make you a great president. carter was a true man of principle and it made him a great former president and a completely out of touch sitting president. likewise, dubya's lack of connection to reality has turned his entire term into a gigantic clusterfuck. he will go down with lbj in disgrace... a president at a pivotal crossroads in us history who completely bungled the job. in many ways, our current situation is still fallout from lbj's mistakes... dubya just picked the scab and set this country's recovery back another few decades. well done mr president, well done. neither dubya, carter, nor lbj has any place on this list.

I like this post.

Carter was a decent human being and I would not say that about too many presidents. But he was not a great leader and turned out to be a pretty weak president.

And LBJ and Dubya keep (kept) on getting deeper and deeper.

Fining my three favorite presidents is difficult. Because whoever took a shot at hippiemom because she had three racists on her list is right. The Japanese internment camps are pretty hard to make up for. But I have to take someone. Nixon had decent domestic policy, but I can't forgive him for Pinochet.

So I have to go the hippiemom route:

FDR, Lincoln (he freed the slaves even if he did not care about doing it), and Truman.

**It does say "favorite" and not "best" so I suppose Carter could be on their, as he is (as Soulsinging alludes to) the best "former President."

South of Seattle

I'll go

Lincoln
Teddy
Truman

WindNoSail

Hoover, Nixon, Bush and Carter a toss up

JK,

Washington, Lincoln, Teddy historically, but I really like JFK and Reagan in more modern times.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

bobby kennedy and colin powell.................

ThumbingMyWay32

1. FDR - Saved the World
2. Reagan - Saved Democracy
3. Lincoln - Saved the Union


Yeah, that's better.

Ahnimus

I don't personally have favourites. They all had good and bad qualities.

I would like to point out that Andrew Jackson invented the "Greenbacks" which intended to drive international bankers and fractional-reserve banking out of the United States, alas he failed, besides that he probably sucked too.

I don't know what my problem is, but I don't pick favourites. I don't have a favourite band, or favourite colour. They are all good and bad in some respects. I see a fundamental flaw in drawing a line between good and bad and sorting things out that way.

For example, George Washington, signed the Declaration of Independance (Good), owned slaves (Bad). Am I right? Ironically the Declaration of Independance likely helped free slaves. George Washington was just a man, they are all just men.

Anon

a.lincoln.....the only one that kinda matters. The rest,just part of the machine.