I never felt strongly either way about abortion..

RainDog

Jeanie wrote:

I'm confused. How can PJ on toast put the baby up for adoption if the mother has been advised not to give birth? Are you saying that she should die in child birth just so the baby can be adopted and not aborted? And go easy I'm very tired not cranky or having a go just confused.

That's not what I'm saying should happen. Just a joking implication on my part.

DOSW

CorporateWhore wrote:

If it's potentially fatal for the mother, no pro-lifer would disagree with aborting the child to save the mother's life.

We should be careful about how we bandy about the ole' "to save the mother's life" phrase though.

"A mother who refused cancer treatment and died so her fourth child could be born was elevated to sainthood yesterday in a move seen by many as a strong statement from the Vatican against the legalisation of abortion."

http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/5-17-2004-54234.asp

Was that an immoral act for that mother? Or, did she die so that her child might have life?

I wouldn't force any mother to die so her child could live. Nonetheless, I can find no good reason why her act is immoral.

No one would view that act as immoral. Sometimes people around here really need to think about things before they say them. No offense, but come on now...

Jeanie

RainDog wrote:

That's not what I'm saying should happen. Just a joking implication on my part.

Ohh! DOH! I knew that! Told you I was tired, thanks for the clarification.
BTW are you actually in New Orleans right now?

RainDog

Jeanie wrote:

BTW are you actually in New Orleans right now?

As I live and breathe. The living part has it's ups and downs - and I can't be sure what I'm breathing right now. Still, here I am.

VictoryGin

Medicated-Genius wrote:

I guess you need to go over there and take a test with her and see the results for yourself. Pregnancy tests don't show up false positives, only false negatives. When a woman is pregnant, she begins producing a hormone called Human Chorionic Gonadtropin........ or HCG. The false negatives can happen when the HCG levels are too low for the test to detect,which is often the case in very early pregnancy. A positive result though, always means pregnancy, because this hormone is only produced when a woman is pregnant. So, while a test may show a negative result early on, then show a positive one as the days and weeks progress, the same is not true for a positive result becoming negative.
Whatever the case, best of luck with it all.

i've been under the impression that while rare, false positives do exist--especially in the case of 'chemical pregnancy'.

misinterpretation, incorrect use of tests is a lot more likely though.

Jeanie

RainDog wrote:

As I live and breathe. The living part has it's ups and downs - and I can't be sure what I'm breathing right now. Still, here I am.

First up let me say, hope that things are improving for you, it must have been an horrific year.:( I guess I just wanted to ask a question, if you don't mind. I have always wanted to come to New Orleans and see the old French quarter. Is there any of it left? And would now be a good time for a tourist to visit or should I wait?

PS: Probably should have PM this to you. Sorry for interrupting a very important thread guys. Did I mention I'm very tired? :(

RainDog

Jeanie wrote:

First up let me say, hope that things are improving for you, it must have been an horrific year.:( I guess I just wanted to ask a question, if you don't mind. I have always wanted to come to New Orleans and see the old French quarter. Is there any of it left? And would now be a good time for a tourist to visit or should I wait?

Roughly 80% of the city took on at least a foot of water (and I do mean "at least" - some areas took on 20+ ). The French Quarter was not in that 80% - so pretty much all of it is left. There was a lot of wind damage, and there are plenty of stores and what not that haven't re-opened yet due to the owners living in that 80%; but it's still here. Most of the old city survived the storm. The reason being that when the city started out, there were no levees; so everything was built on the "high" ground.

As for tourism - yeah, there's still plenty to see and do here. I'd recommend visiting in the late fall through the middle of spring. That's when our weather is the nicest, and we've got things like Mardi Gras, St. Patrick's Day, Jazz Fest, Voodoo Fest, ect. going on. The summer is pretty dull, hot, and very very wet.

Jeanie

RainDog wrote:

Roughly 80% of the city took on at least a foot of water (and I do mean "at least" - some areas took on 20+ ). The French Quarter was not in that 80% - so pretty much all of it is left. There was a lot of wind damage, and there are plenty of stores and what not that haven't re-opened yet due to the owners living in that 80%; but it's still here. Most of the old city survived the storm. The reason being that when the city started out, there were no levees; so everything was built on the "high" ground.

As for tourism - yeah, there's still plenty to see and do here. I'd recommend visiting in the late fall through the middle of spring. That's when our weather is the nicest, and we've got things like Mardi Gras, St. Patrick's Day, Jazz Fest, Voodoo Fest, ect. going on. The summer is pretty dull, hot, and very very wet.

So that'd be from November to March?

RainDog

Jeanie wrote:

So that'd be from November to March?

I'd say mid September through the end of May. June, July, and August are the uncomfortable months.

Jeanie

RainDog wrote:

I'd say mid September through the end of May. June, July, and August are the uncomfortable months.

Great! Thank you so much for your help.

lalalalaaaaaaaa

Jeanie wrote:

Did you miss the part where he said that his ex-g/f has a heart condition and doctors have told her not to give birth?

I didn't miss that part, no. I'm just saying if the judge were to order her to give birth (which I highly doubt and hopefully would not happen), then the baby could be put up for adoption. I was saying this in response to the poster saying "both of our lives are ruined and there will be a newborn baby entering a family that cannot possibly support it or take care of it."

RainDog

Saturnal wrote:

I didn't miss that part, no. I'm just saying if the judge were to order her to give birth (which I highly doubt and hopefully would not happen), then the baby could be put up for adoption. I was saying this in response to the poster saying "both of our lives are ruined and there will be a newborn baby entering a family that cannot possibly support it or take care of it."

So basically you're providing a remedy for the "newborn baby entering a family that cannot possibly support it or take care of it" part of the sentence while leaving in the "both of our lives are ruined" part as a given.

lalalalaaaaaaaa

RainDog wrote:

So basically you're providing a remedy for the "newborn baby entering a family that cannot possibly support it or take care of it" part of the sentence while leaving in the "both of our lives are ruined" part as a given.

That depends on how you're interpreting "both of our lives are ruined". If the judge did make a rediculous ruling and the girl was forced to give birth, then whatever effects the birth had on her health would be a given. So if that's a given, there's really no advice to give to her except appeal the judge's decision.

I'm just pointing out the fact that the poster wouldn't be forced to support the baby or take care of it. Adoption would be an option if he felt that trying to support his baby would ruin his life in addition to the mother's.

Staceb10

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

Until now.

Seventeen years old and my ex girlfriend (whom I broke up with a couple weeks ago) says she thinks she's pregnant. She's on the patch, which means something fucked up big time if it's true. Her mother is the kind of person who would kill the daughter if she found out (and I mean that literally), plus she's a rampid alcoholic which just doesn't help this at all.

My ex has a heart condition which her doctors said prevents her from giving birth because she physically could not handle it (she will die), but her mother still says she cannot have an abortion.

In North Carolina parental consent is required for an abortion unless a judge allows a bypass. If this turns out to be a pregnancy and for some ungodly reason a judge doesn't allow an abortion without parental consent both of our lives are ruined and there will be a newborn baby entering a family that cannot possibly support it or take care of it.

You tell me what "morality" is.

Her mother says she cannot have an abortion for the pregnancy she doesn't even know might exist? Maybe I misunderstood.

Jeanie

Saturnal wrote:

I didn't miss that part, no. I'm just saying if the judge were to order her to give birth (which I highly doubt and hopefully would not happen), then the baby could be put up for adoption. I was saying this in response to the poster saying "both of our lives are ruined and there will be a newborn baby entering a family that cannot possibly support it or take care of it."

Thanks for clarifying this Saturnal.:) My sleep deprived brain had me running off in the completely wrong direction were I thought you were suggesting that if the mother died in child birth no worries, just adopt out the baby! See told you I was sleep deprived!

And yeah if the judge did make her give birth (what an horrific thought) then adoption would be a very good option.

lalalalaaaaaaaa

Jeanie wrote:

Thanks for clarifying this Saturnal.:) My sleep deprived brain had me running off in the completely wrong direction were I thought you were suggesting that if the mother died in child birth no worries, just adopt out the baby! See told you I was sleep deprived!

And yeah if the judge did make her give birth (what an horrific thought) then adoption would be a very good option.

Yeah, I guess I came off as pro-life in the first post there. eeek.

Jeanie

Saturnal wrote:

Yeah, I guess I came off as pro-life in the first post there. eeek.

Yes, I didn't like to mention it! Anyway we're all clear here now, thanks!:D

SoonForgotten2

know1 wrote:

I'll get blasted for this big time, but MY morality is that if getting pregnant was such a big deal that it would ruin both of your lives, you shouldn't have been having sex.

Yeah and meanwhile back in the REAL world...

brain of c

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

Until now.

Seventeen years old and my ex girlfriend (whom I broke up with a couple weeks ago) says she thinks she's pregnant. She's on the patch, which means something fucked up big time if it's true. Her mother is the kind of person who would kill the daughter if she found out (and I mean that literally), plus she's a rampid alcoholic which just doesn't help this at all.

My ex has a heart condition which her doctors said prevents her from giving birth because she physically could not handle it (she will die), but her mother still says she cannot have an abortion.

In North Carolina parental consent is required for an abortion unless a judge allows a bypass. If this turns out to be a pregnancy and for some ungodly reason a judge doesn't allow an abortion without parental consent both of our lives are ruined and there will be a newborn baby entering a family that cannot possibly support it or take care of it.

You tell me what "morality" is.

morality is never having to say "i'm sorry"

angelica

brain of c wrote:

morality is never having to say "i'm sorry"

I find this hysterical.