I never felt strongly either way about abortion..

Pearl Jam and toast

soulsinging wrote:

id go over there and have her take one in front of you.

I'm planning on it.

She says that her patch should basically kill the zygote (is it a zygote or an embryo? I forget which is first..). This has happened before in small doses... she becomes pregnant but the patch kills it which just results in a lot of sickness and pregnancy symptoms.

- Someone back that up because I'm mostly taking her word for it - but I trust her.

Pearl Jam and toast

VictoryGin wrote:

Ask the clinic about it--it seems the law means the physician there, not her own physician. That would be a faster way to do this, and if she's already taken multiple tests then it seems she might want to get on this. My guess is that there aren't many providers in your state--the pp in chapel hill is provides both medical and surgical options though. You'll want an appointment before it gets too far. In states with few providers, it can be difficult to get an appt. And she could always change her mind there if she wants.

There are 2 or 3 reliable ones no farther than 3 hours away.

VictoryGin

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

I'm planning on it.

She says that her patch should basically kill the zygote (is it a zygote or an embryo? I forget which is first..). This has happened before in small doses... she becomes pregnant but the patch kills it which just results in a lot of sickness and pregnancy symptoms.

- Someone back that up because I'm mostly taking her word for it - but I trust her.

What?! oh god, she told you that?

Pearl Jam and toast

VictoryGin wrote:

What?! oh god, she told you that?

mhmm..
something like that - don't take it word for word.

It happened a few months ago.. she got the symptoms. We attributed it to wild hormonal effects.. I don't know about any tests done then though.

BTW THIS is a fucking perfect reason why abstinance only health classes are total bullshit. This stuff happens and we're left to fend for ourselves for information about it.

sonicreducer

given the state of the mother, there has to be a loophole or legality in making her own decision,...

soulsinging

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

I'm planning on it.

She says that her patch should basically kill the zygote (is it a zygote or an embryo? I forget which is first..). This has happened before in small doses... she becomes pregnant but the patch kills it which just results in a lot of sickness and pregnancy symptoms.

- Someone back that up because I'm mostly taking her word for it - but I trust her.

ive never heard of anything like this. it sounds like pure bullshit to me honestly. VG?

Pearl Jam and toast

sonicreducer wrote:

given the state of the mother, there has to be a loophole or legality in making her own decision,...

That's the one thing I'm not worried about is the judical bypass... It should be pretty in the bag for us considering so many different things.

Speaking of her mother..

- She drank and smoked (weed and cigs) heavily during her pregnancy AND her recent pregnancy (she has a 1 year old also).

- She's been arrested for assault on her daughter (my ex) and committed to an asylum for a period of time.

I really despise that woman.

Pearl Jam and toast

soulsinging wrote:

ive never heard of anything like this. it sounds like pure bullshit to me honestly. VG?

I wouldn't call it bullshit but more of a real lack of understanding about what happened.

soulsinging

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

I wouldn't call it bullshit but more of a real lack of understanding about what happened.

perhaps. but it doesn't sound like she's playing it straight with you.

yosi1

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

I wouldn't call it bullshit but more of a real lack of understanding about what happened.

That's what it sounds like. I'm really sorry about your situation. Please take care, and make sure your ex is being honest with you. Also, it sounds like she (and her sibling) really need to be distanced from their mother.

VictoryGin

soulsinging wrote:

ive never heard of anything like this. it sounds like pure bullshit to me honestly. VG?

er, i've never heard of that happening. the hormones aren't strong enough. hormonal birth control doesn't do anything for you if you're pregnant. if she's just saying there were symptoms, well, that can just be side effects of anything she's taking.

if she's pregnant now (sometimes there are false positives, unlikely though) the patch could have failed for many reasons (they're not 100 % anyway, also is she on other meds? was she using it correctly?). anyway, the patch doesn't abort. sure she could have miscarried in the past, but it probably wasn't from the patch if it happened at all.

*comprehensive sex education please*

Pearl Jam and toast

yosi wrote:

That's what it sounds like. I'm really sorry about your situation. Please take care, and make sure your ex is being honest with you. Also, it sounds like she (and her sibling) really need to be distanced from their mother.

Actually the cops are basically fucking them over. When she was committed they sent her to her grandparents' house down the road. Meaning, not much of a change and she jsut sat there until her mother got out.

The only family she's got that I would trust at all live in Virginia... Very wealthy, very very VERY nice people. They've agreed to take her in if she ever needed it but the cops didn't want to go through the hassle of sending her out of state (that's exactly what they said).

So many cops are fucking horrible people.

soulsinging

VictoryGin wrote:

er, i've never heard of that happening. the hormones aren't strong enough. hormonal birth control doesn't do anything for you if you're pregnant. if she's just saying there were symptoms, well, that can just be side effects of anything she's taking.

if she's pregnant now (sometimes there are false positives, unlikely though) the patch could have failed for many reasons (they're not 100 % anyway, also is she on other meds? was she using it correctly?). anyway, the patch doesn't abort. sure she could have miscarried in the past, but it probably wasn't from the patch if it happened at all.

*comprehensive sex education please*

yeah. it sounds pretty weird. i think this girl really needs to see a gynecologist, if for no other reason than to get some basic info on her body.

Pearl Jam and toast

By the way, the patch she's on is Ortho Evra.

VictoryGin

soulsinging wrote:

yeah. it sounds pretty weird. i think this girl really needs to see a gynecologist, if for no other reason than to get some basic info on her body.

i second that. though i suggest she sees one at a clinic in case she does choose to abort. who knows how far she is.

also, if she missed one period on the patch, it doesn't mean she's pregnant. that happens sometimes. however the tests are a bit worrisome.

Pearl Jam and toast

VictoryGin wrote:

i second that. though i suggest she sees one at a clinic in case she does choose to abort. who knows how far she is.

also, if she missed one period on the patch, it doesn't mean she's pregnant. that happens sometimes. however the tests are a bit worrisome.

We've calculated that she'd be approx. 3 weeks into it.

VictoryGin

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

By the way, the patch she's on is Ortho Evra.

yeah, you can read about it here:
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/birth-control-pregnancy/birth-control/the-patch.htm

seriously though, the physician waiver might be a whole lot easier than a judge. i'm just sayin.

soulsinging

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

We've calculated that she'd be approx. 3 weeks into it.

that's the last time you and she were together? i was going to say... if you broke up with her a few weeks ago... dyou know it's even yours?

VictoryGin

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

We've calculated that she'd be approx. 3 weeks into it.

is she saying she's a week late?

Pearl Jam and toast

soulsinging wrote:

that's the last time you and she were together? i was going to say... if you broke up with her a few weeks ago... dyou know it's even yours?

Yes it would be mine.



We're not talking about periods being late we're talking about her getting sick and them coming up positive on pregnancy tests.


She's been on the patch for between 2-3 years, does that have any effects?