Here's how tired I was last night: instead of "dumb", I wrote "dump". Not only is that embarrassing, considering I said I "dump-you-up", it's sorta disgusting.
See, it's nice to be able to give you some of my gifts, as well! Treasure them.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
What's funny is you always bitch about the mainstream media and yet you are using their word (not an actual tax return for them to verify either) to try to make your argument. Golden. :rolleyes:
i don't think i ever bitched about the usa today, actually it's reported things very few others would like someone in the administration was involved in the oil for food scandal
if you have something disputing it then go ahead
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Greg Kafoury would be an asset at every Nader rally. He is formidable. Totally sweet too.
It would be fun to observe him handle Nader haters.
Walking can be a real trip
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"We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
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Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
his platform is based on being "anti-corporation"...
to me, he blames all the ills of the US on corporations...it's his shtick...his leanings, for me, seem to be very much on the left...thus my view of him being a polarizing figure...
As for being an opportunist, as we've discussed before, he seems to show up every four years and say: "here I am, vote for me, I'll fight for you against those evil corporations"...rather than starting small, perhaps a house or senate run...where, if elected, he could introduce specific changes...
his platform is based on being "anti-corporation"...
to me, he blames all the ills of the US on corporations...it's his shtick...his leanings, for me, seem to be very much on the left...thus my view of him being a polarizing figure...
As for being an opportunist, as we've discussed before, he seems to show up every four years and say: "here I am, vote for me, I'll fight for you against those evil corporations"...rather than starting small, perhaps a house or senate run...where, if elected, he could introduce specific changes...
a simple search would find tons of links showing nader is active pretty much 24/7, not just every 4 years when the media reports on him in a big way
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Kucinich would be a close second but I'm writing in Paul. If Texas becomes competitive then i'd be willing to consider voting for Obama but I'll come to that decision later obviously.
how is it possible that you can vote for Obama when who you want to vote for is opposite of Obama is almost everything except one thing the war. and there are times that i don't even believe they agree on that. this is what i don't get. can you please explain to me why you would vote for Obama (is it the lesser of 2 evils crap again)
People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
a simple search would find tons of links showing nader is active pretty much 24/7, not just every 4 years when the media reports on him in a big way
Which should answer their question of 'why run for president and not some other office? Well shit, because you guys, who are all poltically aware even, don't even seem to be aware that Nader's out there pushing these same causes every year. You still keep posting the same old 'just shows up every 4 years' bullshit....even after links have been provided on numerous occasions debunking this. Is it any wonder he runs for president? I'm starting to think some of you wouldn't know who he was and what he is fighting for without him doing just that!!
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
so going back to the point of this tread. my breaking point is during the debates. it is easy to give a great speech when your not challenged let me see what you can do when you are challenged. and before anyone Attacks me i don't just mean just Obama.
as for Nader, i like him but i wonder if he can change anything becuase i still believe that the USA is not as liberal as people here think it is. i think that nothing would change with him. but i will say the same thing abotu Obama and McCain.
People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
so going back to the point of this tread. my breaking point is during the debates. it is easy to give a great speech when your not challenged let me see what you can do when you are challenged. and before anyone Attacks me i don't just mean just Obama.
as for Nader, i like him but i wonder if he can change anything becuase i still believe that the USA is not as liberal as people here think it is. i think that nothing would change with him. but i will say the same thing abotu Obama and McCain.
Exactly! I don't see things changing with the other guys...so the least I can do is vote for the one represents the things that I agree with.
And america polls as supporting UHC, a decreased military budget, a crackdown on corporate crime and welfare....And yes, these are polls but they are the same polls telling these folks Nader has no chance of winning and they seem to be eating those up so....
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Which should answer their question of 'why run for president and not some other office? Well shit, because you guys, who are all poltically aware even, don't even seem to be aware that Nader's out there pushing these same causes every year. You still keep posting the same old 'just shows up every 4 years' bullshit....even after links have been provided on numerous occasions debunking this. Is it any wonder he runs for president? I'm starting to think some of you wouldn't know who he was and what he is fighting for without him doing just that!!
ok, fine...you win, ralph's out there 24/7...sadly, no one seems to take notice...I'm sure the media will be blamed for that...anyhoo, I concede, he's out there fighting....like falwell and bucannan...
how about my point that ralph solely bases his platform on being the anti-corporate candidate....? which puts him very very very left...thus a polarizing figure....
Exactly! I don't see things changing with the other guys...so the least I can do is vote for the one represents the things that I agree with.
And america polls as supporting UHC, a decreased military budget, a crackdown on corporate crime and welfare....And yes, these are polls but they are the same polls telling these folks Nader has no chance of winning and they seem to be eating those up so....
what i always get from polls is that people tend to be given simple questions with simple soluations and the people just say yes this sounds good. i live in Canada (yes, i am not american) and i will tell you something there are alot of people here who hate UHC the reason being we have it. Americans don't have it so they think that it is a great idea (WHAT! I GO TO TEH HOSPITAL AND DON'T PAY FOR IT) i think america is tired and really i think it is a nation of depression (no insult). they have gotten to the point where even if they found someone that woudl be the best president (which i don't know if Nader is that, but i don't know if any of your leaders are) that person would not win. i think america issues are long and hard and will take a very long time to resolve (if possible)
People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
ok, fine...you win, ralph's out there 24/7...sadly, no one seems to take notice...I'm sure the media will be blamed for that...anyhoo, I concede, he's out there fighting....like falwell and bucannan...
how about my point that ralph solely bases his platform on being the anti-corporate candidate....? which puts him very very very left...thus a polarizing figure....
Seems to me the things Nader has done for the people they have liked and has earned him an extensive legacy. Now look at the approval ratings of Congress and the President....what are they accredited with? Pissing the people off.
He's not polarizing. Polls show the people are more socially and domestically minded than our government and that they support the things Nader is calling for. If you haven't noticed, most of the large corporations out there are very anti-what's best for us and all about making as much money as they can off our backs. I don't think people are too pleased with all the rising prices, layoffs, outsourcings, loss of benefits, pollutions, dwindling wages...etc but these corporations have bought off our elected officials and thus our representation. That's where someone like Ralph Nader steps in and actually represents the people's side on these matters and gives them a voice for once. But he doesn't have the money to buy all kinds of exposure so we are left to sit back and watch him be painted as some arrogant guy who runs for president every 4 years and does nothing else....despite the truth of the matter. The corporations own the media and the government....you're hearing their skew. Ralph Nader does represent the views of the people.
It's all about power and money. But those of us who know better should act like it.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
what i always get from polls is that people tend to be given simple questions with simple soluations and the people just say yes this sounds good. i live in Canada (yes, i am not american) and i will tell you something there are alot of people here who hate UHC the reason being we have it. Americans don't have it so they think that it is a great idea (WHAT! I GO TO TEH HOSPITAL AND DON'T PAY FOR IT) i think america is tired and really i think it is a nation of depression (no insult). they have gotten to the point where even if they found someone that woudl be the best president (which i don't know if Nader is that, but i don't know if any of your leaders are) that person would not win. i think america issues are long and hard and will take a very long time to resolve (if possible)
From what I've seen on this board, the ones who have UHC tend to defend it.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
From what I've seen on this board, the ones who have UHC tend to defend it.
i am not saying that UHC is bad, i really like it. i tend to believe that HC is a human rights issue. however, you have to remember that people on a Pearl Jam board tend to be more liberal and don't always reflect the public at large. to put it in media terms, if i wanted to have a poll on who someone is supporting in teh election it would not be smart to go to an Obama rally only.
People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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See, it's nice to be able to give you some of my gifts, as well!
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Yet you are in a handful of people's sigs based on your inspirational contributions. Hmmmm
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
And the media still ignores me. :mad:
Become the Media
or
'The Media is not fooling me.'
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Thank you
Obama is a liar
and McCain is a Bushite
quite a choice
maybe i won't vote at all
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i don't think i ever bitched about the usa today, actually it's reported things very few others would like someone in the administration was involved in the oil for food scandal
if you have something disputing it then go ahead
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
http://www.counterpunch.org/kafoury07122008.html
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Greg Kafoury would be an asset at every Nader rally. He is formidable. Totally sweet too.
It would be fun to observe him handle Nader haters.
***********************
"We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
***********************
Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
his platform is based on being "anti-corporation"...
to me, he blames all the ills of the US on corporations...it's his shtick...his leanings, for me, seem to be very much on the left...thus my view of him being a polarizing figure...
As for being an opportunist, as we've discussed before, he seems to show up every four years and say: "here I am, vote for me, I'll fight for you against those evil corporations"...rather than starting small, perhaps a house or senate run...where, if elected, he could introduce specific changes...
a simple search would find tons of links showing nader is active pretty much 24/7, not just every 4 years when the media reports on him in a big way
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
how is it possible that you can vote for Obama when who you want to vote for is opposite of Obama is almost everything except one thing the war. and there are times that i don't even believe they agree on that. this is what i don't get. can you please explain to me why you would vote for Obama (is it the lesser of 2 evils crap again)
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
Which should answer their question of 'why run for president and not some other office? Well shit, because you guys, who are all poltically aware even, don't even seem to be aware that Nader's out there pushing these same causes every year. You still keep posting the same old 'just shows up every 4 years' bullshit....even after links have been provided on numerous occasions debunking this. Is it any wonder he runs for president? I'm starting to think some of you wouldn't know who he was and what he is fighting for without him doing just that!!
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
as for Nader, i like him but i wonder if he can change anything becuase i still believe that the USA is not as liberal as people here think it is. i think that nothing would change with him. but i will say the same thing abotu Obama and McCain.
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
Exactly! I don't see things changing with the other guys...so the least I can do is vote for the one represents the things that I agree with.
And america polls as supporting UHC, a decreased military budget, a crackdown on corporate crime and welfare....And yes, these are polls but they are the same polls telling these folks Nader has no chance of winning and they seem to be eating those up so....
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
ok, fine...you win, ralph's out there 24/7...sadly, no one seems to take notice...I'm sure the media will be blamed for that...anyhoo, I concede, he's out there fighting....like falwell and bucannan...
how about my point that ralph solely bases his platform on being the anti-corporate candidate....? which puts him very very very left...thus a polarizing figure....
sure, fine...
how about the rest of my point...?
what i always get from polls is that people tend to be given simple questions with simple soluations and the people just say yes this sounds good. i live in Canada (yes, i am not american) and i will tell you something there are alot of people here who hate UHC the reason being we have it. Americans don't have it so they think that it is a great idea (WHAT! I GO TO TEH HOSPITAL AND DON'T PAY FOR IT) i think america is tired and really i think it is a nation of depression (no insult). they have gotten to the point where even if they found someone that woudl be the best president (which i don't know if Nader is that, but i don't know if any of your leaders are) that person would not win. i think america issues are long and hard and will take a very long time to resolve (if possible)
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
Seems to me the things Nader has done for the people they have liked and has earned him an extensive legacy. Now look at the approval ratings of Congress and the President....what are they accredited with? Pissing the people off.
He's not polarizing. Polls show the people are more socially and domestically minded than our government and that they support the things Nader is calling for. If you haven't noticed, most of the large corporations out there are very anti-what's best for us and all about making as much money as they can off our backs. I don't think people are too pleased with all the rising prices, layoffs, outsourcings, loss of benefits, pollutions, dwindling wages...etc but these corporations have bought off our elected officials and thus our representation. That's where someone like Ralph Nader steps in and actually represents the people's side on these matters and gives them a voice for once. But he doesn't have the money to buy all kinds of exposure so we are left to sit back and watch him be painted as some arrogant guy who runs for president every 4 years and does nothing else....despite the truth of the matter. The corporations own the media and the government....you're hearing their skew. Ralph Nader does represent the views of the people.
It's all about power and money. But those of us who know better should act like it.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
From what I've seen on this board, the ones who have UHC tend to defend it.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
i am not saying that UHC is bad, i really like it. i tend to believe that HC is a human rights issue. however, you have to remember that people on a Pearl Jam board tend to be more liberal and don't always reflect the public at large. to put it in media terms, if i wanted to have a poll on who someone is supporting in teh election it would not be smart to go to an Obama rally only.
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
madness...sheer madness...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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