no dumbfuck that's not entirely true. and if there is any person alive who wasn't folowed around as an adolescant because someone thought they were stealing or doing some other shit I would be shocked.
How about as an adult?
Look, i am in agreeance that Che has taken this thread to some pretty absurd levels, but, the initial post is not as far off the mark as many are claiming. I'm not affluent, i didn't grow up affluent in an affluent part of town, and, i am a white male. i struggle, but, would be very naive to suggest that i have been completely without some degree of white privelege. i also think it is important not to simply consider our own individual cases, but rather to look at demographics collectively and in general. When one does so, it is rather difficult to argue that white privelege does not exist. 60 years ago as well as 60 seconds ago.
Quite honestly, i think the initial post in the "taking bets" thread is much more troubling. THAT one sent up a red flag IMO.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
I didn't read; Get blamed for everything that is wrong with the other races on this planet. Just saying, I didn't see that one. I only scanned the 50 though.
Yeah that list was too fucking long.
one foot in the door
the other foot in the gutter
sweet smell that they adore
I think I'd rather smother
-The Replacements-
it's not my fault i was born white and i don't feel any guiltier about that than i do about being born left handed and with red curly hair. but for the most part...my world is colorblind. i never notice my friends' colors until someone brings it up...oddly enough, it's usually acquaintances who feel the need to expound on how unfair racial prejudice is or to point out some racial bias in this world. my friend denise says she never feels more black or more hated until someone starts spouting this shit. that when people go out of their way to point it out, it means they notice and in that way are being prejudiced. until people stop seeing colors, even the 'keepers of racial harmony' are racially biased and prejudiced.
so, while i'm glad you're all for racial equality che....that you go on about this so rabidly makes you the kind of person my friends of color avoid as much as they avoid the person yelling the n word.
that is kinda interesting, cos i do feel like there's a latent racist condescension in che's post... like blacks cannot help themselves without our white aid, help and protection. and like blacks are way too weak to overcome our wealth and privilege. the barriers have been removed, and yes there is still latent prejudice out there, but to say every white man is "the devil" and born with a silver spoon and personally responsible for black oppression is utterly ridiculous. and it only reinforces the cycle. like your friend says, it's awkward to hear white people talking about that shit. it's awkward for whites to constantly feel guilty around black people becos they're the devil and oppressor. so whites avoid black people and it reinforces the tension.
The original post is a joke, right? That has to be about the most close minded posting I've ever seen.
You're using stereotypes (and bad ones) to denounce stereotypes.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
My mother and father didnt threaten to beat me or strangle me. When I went to school I got a signed form that said the teacher couldnt use corporal punishment. So did all the other kids.
Yet as a black person thats out of the question.
Ever wonder why Chris Rock or other black comedians talk about how their mothers said "Chris come here or i will whup your big
behind" or "I will slap you silly" "I will beat you"
That type of talk is unacceptable in white circles.
Why would blacks say these things to their kids. Certainly blacks are just as responsible and caring as whites. Well heres the reason:
They treat their kids like that because thats what would happen if a black male said something to a cop or said something to a roudy group of violent whites.
Essentially they are getting them ready for a world where your skin color determines if you get shot on site by police for having a wallet, or whatever
My sister got her drivers liscence but didnt have to practice what she would do, as the police officer gets out of his car, what she would do if the officer shot her on site for being white. She didnt have to put her hands on the steering wheel in sight of the officer. Yet as a black male, this is a reality.
The amount of white arrogance on this board is astounding. So you dont think as a white male I have more power, priviledge, and so on, just because I am white?
So my skin color didnt have anything to do with being accepted to college?
Or my skin color doesnt determine of course the fact I have NEVER been followed in a store and accused of shoplifting
Or my skin color of course has nothing to do with if I make a mistake its not the white race that failed, its my mistake, but if ludicrous or JayZ or people at the superdome make mistakes its the black race.
How was Paul Robeson repayed for his services to our country?
All you whites need to get over yourselves
You're the racist Che.
It sounds like you're transferring the privilege of money onto all white people. That may be the case where you're from but that's not reality. My parents talked about whipping my ass, it was acceptable in that white circle, but it was a poor white circle.
It sounds like you're transferring the privilege of money onto all white people. That may be the case where you're from but that's not reality. My parents talked about whipping my ass, it was acceptable in that white circle, but it was a poor white circle.
i came from a well off suburban white family. my dad used to get us with the belt when we misbehaved. i dont think it had anything to do with preparing us for being downtrodden in society.
i came from a well off suburban white family. my dad used to get us with the belt when we misbehaved. i dont think it had anything to do with preparing us for being downtrodden in society.
Parents have been whipping children for ages. Poor, rich, white, black; it doesn't make a damn bit of difference.
it's not my fault i was born white and i don't feel any guiltier about that than i do about being born left handed and with red curly hair. but for the most part...my world is colorblind. i never notice my friends' colors until someone brings it up...oddly enough, it's usually acquaintances who feel the need to expound on how unfair racial prejudice is or to point out some racial bias in this world. my friend denise says she never feels more black or more hated until someone starts spouting this shit. that when people go out of their way to point it out, it means they notice and in that way are being prejudiced. until people stop seeing colors, even the 'keepers of racial harmony' are racially biased and prejudiced.
so, while i'm glad you're all for racial equality che....that you go on about this so rabidly makes you the kind of person my friends of color avoid as much as they avoid the person yelling the n word.
Nice post, toof
I have no doubt that che is very sincere, that he genuinely feels pain deep in his heart for the victims of the racism that absolutely does exist in our society, but I have to believe that he doesn't know any black people. The black people I know, like your friend Denise, wouldn't listen to this sort of nonsense for five seconds.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
Che, what page did you get this list from in "The Dummies Guide to Being a Pseudo-Revolutionary"?
If you are so upset about this then do something. Stop bitching to us about and get out and make change. Go to law school and join the Southern Poverty Law Center. Don't veg-out in some commune eating organic beets all day. Join Habitat for Humanity. Join the fucking Peace Corps (if they're still around?).
And if you really want to follow a revolutionary, Che is not the answer. Dr. King or Gandhi were true revolutionists. Che was a jackoff.
Che, what page did you get this list from in "The Dummies Guide to Being a Pseudo-Revolutionary"?
If you are so upset about this then do something. Stop bitching to us about and get out and make change. Go to law school and join the Southern Poverty Law Center. Don't veg-out in some commune eating organic beets all day. Join Habitat for Humanity. Join the fucking Peace Corps (if they're still around?).
And if you really want to follow a revolutionary, Che is not the answer. Dr. King or Gandhi were true revolutionists. Che was a jackoff.
hey hey hey ... i agree with you all the way up to point that you said Che was a jackoff. As a person wasn't he exactly what you are suggesting OUR Che do? Also, choosing "not to notice" a person's ethnic background does not mean that you aren't racist...don't most people have particular experiences and life backgrounds due in part ot the way people in this society treat them because of their skin color? To choose not to recognize this is kind of silly if you ask me.
It still sounds like your talking about some backwards ass hillbilly ville in buttfuck America. Because it sure as hell isn't like that here.
i agree. must be some dream land. since 1974 i've been the minority at every job i took on. and i owned the business. i didn't own the business when i worked for the government but i was still the minority. i've also been told i did not qualify for things because i was white and those benefits were for minorities only.
come to the real world and see what's really happening.
I'm a WMA and I'm totally fine with it. I like being a white male. Maybe I'm weird. On the rock and roll thing, I know plenty of black people who wouldn't walk across the street to piss on Mick Jagger if he was on fire. My upstairs neighbors, who are not an exact representation of all things black, play music all the time and I've never heard a rock song blare out of their speakers. And there's nothing wrong with that. As for people who say they don't see a person's skin color....what bullshit! It's the first thing that's apparent when you meet someone, unless you're blind, but that doesn't mean a person has to treat someone else differently b/c of their skin.
"Almost all those politicians took money from Enron, and there they are holding hearings. That's like O.J. Simpson getting in the Rae Carruth jury pool." -- Charles Barkley
hey hey hey ... i agree with you all the way up to point that you said Che was a jackoff. As a person wasn't he exactly what you are suggesting OUR Che do? Also, choosing "not to notice" a person's ethnic background does not mean that you aren't racist...don't most people have particular experiences and life backgrounds due in part ot the way people in this society treat them because of their skin color? To choose not to recognize this is kind of silly if you ask me.
I'm guessing that cutback was refering to Ernesto Che Guevara as a jackoff, which I fully agree. I have no respect for people who praise violence as El Che Guevara used to do.
Pehaps your thread should read "As a white man being born in America 60 years ago..."
by your post.....I feel soooo furtunate everyday that I wasn't born a black male in the US.
I had the opportunity to work in an all black nieghborhood for several years...with all black co-workers......I had just the slightest taste of what it might be like.
Again after reading all your other posts.....just dismayed. Oh well.
I'm a WMA and I'm totally fine with it. I like being a white male. Maybe I'm weird. On the rock and roll thing, I know plenty of black people who wouldn't walk across the street to piss on Mick Jagger if he was on fire. My upstairs neighbors, who are not an exact representation of all things black, play music all the time and I've never heard a rock song blare out of their speakers. And there's nothing wrong with that. As for people who say they don't see a person's skin color....what bullshit! It's the first thing that's apparent when you meet someone, unless you're blind, but that doesn't mean a person has to treat someone else differently b/c of their skin.
have not a fkn clue....
no white man should feel guilty....agree that doesn't make sense...but to have no appreciation for how good you have it.....ignorance.
no white man should feel guilty....agree that doesn't make sense...but to have no appreciation for how good you have it.....ignorance.
How good I have it? I live in a shit-hole apartment with two other people. I'm broke and struggling to balance work and my final couple semesters at college so I can go out into the job market and whore myself out for a few bucks so I can pay back my student loans. I don't see now being white relieves me of those issues. And I don't see now being of a different race would matter. I guess I am ignorant of what it's like to be a person of color. But then again, my ignorance doesn't give me license to call other people out when I don't know a damn thing about them. Black, white, whatever. I'd say that being born an American is the main reason for "how good (I) have it." I could live somewhere such as Iraq. Fuck it! Of all the stupid things I've done to feel guilty about, being born white -- something I didn't choose -- ranks very low on the list. Viva Whitey!!
"Almost all those politicians took money from Enron, and there they are holding hearings. That's like O.J. Simpson getting in the Rae Carruth jury pool." -- Charles Barkley
you see people of different color, race, religion etc different and you treat them different..and to think otherwise......
You know, I basically agree with that.
Truth is we all have at least a little of it in us. It's our nature. Human nature.
But most of us don't nurture it, build it and act on it. Instead we think things out and realize the absurdity in it.
Let's face it, human beings discriminate on the bases of anything at all. The way people dress, the length, shortness and style of their hair, what bands people like, what sports teams other people like, what cars they drive..........what ever. I could on all day long on how people every day discriminate against others based on the dumbest ass shit. And it's not just white people doing it amongst themselves or to "minorities"; it is every race and gender on this planet that do it.
Equally absurd are those who rationalize this racist and discriminatory double-standard; as entitlement.
How good I have it? I live in a shit-hole apartment with two other people. I'm broke and struggling to balance work and my final couple semesters at college so I can go out into the job market and whore myself out for a few bucks so I can pay back my student loans. I don't see now being white relieves me of those issues. And I don't see now being of a different race would matter. I guess I am ignorant of what it's like to be a person of color. But then again, my ignorance doesn't give me license to call other people out when I don't know a damn thing about them. I'd say that being born an American is the main reason for "how good (I) have it." I could live somewhere such as Iraq.
you just don't realize it.....yea you may be struggling..yea you may have problem finding an awesome job.....it would be 10 times worse if you were black.
I live the white collar world...and its called that not only because of the color of the shirts.
Stereo types are ingrained in our minds...and thus the black male has it much harder than a white male. Get some experience under your belt.....really think about it...and you'll snap.
Congratulations on pushing yourself through college....being sincere.
Truth is we all have at least a little of it in us. It's our nature. Human nature.
But most of us don't nurture it, build it and act on it. Instead we think things out and realize the absurdity in it.
Let's face it, human beings discriminate on the bases of anything at all. The way people dress, the length, shortness and style of their hair, what bands people like, what sports teams other people like, what cars they drive..........what ever. I could on all day long on how people every day discriminate against others based on the dumbest ass shit. And it's not just white people doing it amongst themselves or to "minorities"; it is every race and gender on this planet that do it.
Equally absurd are those who rationalize this racist and discriminatory double-standard; as entitlement.
and I'm big time against entitlements......but in the spirit of this thread...I was just floored at all the negative comments..and the utter lack of understanding of how much better it is in this country as well as canada white males have it over black males...nothing more.
As liberal as I try to be...as just as I try to be....I know I still let human nature interfere...its a survival instinct.
you just don't realize it.....yea you may be struggling..yea you may have problem finding an awesome job.....it would be 10 times worse if you were black.
I live the white collar world...and its called that not only because of the color of the shirts.
Stereo types are ingrained in our minds...and thus the black male has it much harder than a white male. Get some experience under your belt.....really think about it...and you'll snap.
Congratulations on pushing yourself through college....being sincere.
I disagree, completley.
You are putting forth generalities that are grossly outdated.
Of course racism still exists, I'm not denying it does. But certainly not on the level your are portraying.
These days, black people have just as good a chance in getting a job (and many cases because of affirmative action) they get jobs based on racial quotas, not on qualifications for the position companies are hiring for. I've too often seen blacks, hispanics/latinos and others get jobs, that they are not at all qualified to do, just to meet a quota. That is the reality of today's world.
Of course there are exceptions in everything. But make no mistake about it, there are plenty of companies that are black owned or black managed that discriminate when hiring. They will not hire a white person. That's a fact.
Comments
How about as an adult?
Look, i am in agreeance that Che has taken this thread to some pretty absurd levels, but, the initial post is not as far off the mark as many are claiming. I'm not affluent, i didn't grow up affluent in an affluent part of town, and, i am a white male. i struggle, but, would be very naive to suggest that i have been completely without some degree of white privelege. i also think it is important not to simply consider our own individual cases, but rather to look at demographics collectively and in general. When one does so, it is rather difficult to argue that white privelege does not exist. 60 years ago as well as 60 seconds ago.
Quite honestly, i think the initial post in the "taking bets" thread is much more troubling. THAT one sent up a red flag IMO.
Yeah that list was too fucking long.
the other foot in the gutter
sweet smell that they adore
I think I'd rather smother
-The Replacements-
that is kinda interesting, cos i do feel like there's a latent racist condescension in che's post... like blacks cannot help themselves without our white aid, help and protection. and like blacks are way too weak to overcome our wealth and privilege. the barriers have been removed, and yes there is still latent prejudice out there, but to say every white man is "the devil" and born with a silver spoon and personally responsible for black oppression is utterly ridiculous. and it only reinforces the cycle. like your friend says, it's awkward to hear white people talking about that shit. it's awkward for whites to constantly feel guilty around black people becos they're the devil and oppressor. so whites avoid black people and it reinforces the tension.
You're using stereotypes (and bad ones) to denounce stereotypes.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
You're the racist Che.
It sounds like you're transferring the privilege of money onto all white people. That may be the case where you're from but that's not reality. My parents talked about whipping my ass, it was acceptable in that white circle, but it was a poor white circle.
i came from a well off suburban white family. my dad used to get us with the belt when we misbehaved. i dont think it had anything to do with preparing us for being downtrodden in society.
Parents have been whipping children for ages. Poor, rich, white, black; it doesn't make a damn bit of difference.
I wonder what this cheguivera guy would react to his postings five years from now.
-Christopher Walken
you're=you are
your=showing ownership
The truth has a well known liberal bias.
-Stephen Colbert
I have no doubt that che is very sincere, that he genuinely feels pain deep in his heart for the victims of the racism that absolutely does exist in our society, but I have to believe that he doesn't know any black people. The black people I know, like your friend Denise, wouldn't listen to this sort of nonsense for five seconds.
If you are so upset about this then do something. Stop bitching to us about and get out and make change. Go to law school and join the Southern Poverty Law Center. Don't veg-out in some commune eating organic beets all day. Join Habitat for Humanity. Join the fucking Peace Corps (if they're still around?).
And if you really want to follow a revolutionary, Che is not the answer. Dr. King or Gandhi were true revolutionists. Che was a jackoff.
but isnt the original post the epitome of "white guilt"?
i agree. must be some dream land. since 1974 i've been the minority at every job i took on. and i owned the business. i didn't own the business when i worked for the government but i was still the minority. i've also been told i did not qualify for things because i was white and those benefits were for minorities only.
come to the real world and see what's really happening.
Whatever this guy needs to do, I guess.
I didn't do anything wrong.
I never treated anyone wrong based on race, religion or gender.
I've never had any slaves and neither have anyone else in my family.
I've hired black people for jobs, because they were more qualified than the others.
I've hired white people, hispanics and asians because they more qualified than the others.
I fired black people, white people and hispanics because they were fucking up and not meeting the required standards for the job.
I'm guessing that cutback was refering to Ernesto Che Guevara as a jackoff, which I fully agree. I have no respect for people who praise violence as El Che Guevara used to do.
by your post.....I feel soooo furtunate everyday that I wasn't born a black male in the US.
I had the opportunity to work in an all black nieghborhood for several years...with all black co-workers......I had just the slightest taste of what it might be like.
Again after reading all your other posts.....just dismayed. Oh well.
Move on.
have not a fkn clue....
no white man should feel guilty....agree that doesn't make sense...but to have no appreciation for how good you have it.....ignorance.
Who flamed you?
but from my last couple posts..was just getting ready.
How good I have it? I live in a shit-hole apartment with two other people. I'm broke and struggling to balance work and my final couple semesters at college so I can go out into the job market and whore myself out for a few bucks so I can pay back my student loans. I don't see now being white relieves me of those issues. And I don't see now being of a different race would matter. I guess I am ignorant of what it's like to be a person of color. But then again, my ignorance doesn't give me license to call other people out when I don't know a damn thing about them. Black, white, whatever. I'd say that being born an American is the main reason for "how good (I) have it." I could live somewhere such as Iraq. Fuck it! Of all the stupid things I've done to feel guilty about, being born white -- something I didn't choose -- ranks very low on the list. Viva Whitey!!
You know, I basically agree with that.
Truth is we all have at least a little of it in us. It's our nature. Human nature.
But most of us don't nurture it, build it and act on it. Instead we think things out and realize the absurdity in it.
Let's face it, human beings discriminate on the bases of anything at all. The way people dress, the length, shortness and style of their hair, what bands people like, what sports teams other people like, what cars they drive..........what ever. I could on all day long on how people every day discriminate against others based on the dumbest ass shit. And it's not just white people doing it amongst themselves or to "minorities"; it is every race and gender on this planet that do it.
Equally absurd are those who rationalize this racist and discriminatory double-standard; as entitlement.
you just don't realize it.....yea you may be struggling..yea you may have problem finding an awesome job.....it would be 10 times worse if you were black.
I live the white collar world...and its called that not only because of the color of the shirts.
Stereo types are ingrained in our minds...and thus the black male has it much harder than a white male. Get some experience under your belt.....really think about it...and you'll snap.
Congratulations on pushing yourself through college....being sincere.
and I'm big time against entitlements......but in the spirit of this thread...I was just floored at all the negative comments..and the utter lack of understanding of how much better it is in this country as well as canada white males have it over black males...nothing more.
As liberal as I try to be...as just as I try to be....I know I still let human nature interfere...its a survival instinct.
Peace my brother.
I disagree, completley.
You are putting forth generalities that are grossly outdated.
Of course racism still exists, I'm not denying it does. But certainly not on the level your are portraying.
These days, black people have just as good a chance in getting a job (and many cases because of affirmative action) they get jobs based on racial quotas, not on qualifications for the position companies are hiring for. I've too often seen blacks, hispanics/latinos and others get jobs, that they are not at all qualified to do, just to meet a quota. That is the reality of today's world.
Of course there are exceptions in everything. But make no mistake about it, there are plenty of companies that are black owned or black managed that discriminate when hiring. They will not hire a white person. That's a fact.