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  • DinghyDog
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    DinghyDog wrote:
    :D my fellow australian ( ithink, is gotham city in aussie?) i drive past an abortion clinic every morning... see people praying...

    i was always pro choice until i had my daughter ....

    people should have the right to choose... but i dont agree with it... i dont get the abortion debate... people can choose,... let them... but i wouldnt want it... now for the clincher

    i think its ok if someone is raped and fall pregnant by the bastard that did it

    does thaqt make me a hypocrite?

    Gotham = Melbourne, my fellow aussie!! :) Must be a Melbourne/Sydney joke, but I thought everybody knew that Melbourne's skyline looked like Gotham? ;)

    I used to work for a large women's health organization, and was actually on the phone to the FCC here in Melbourne the day that they were attacked by a pro life extremist and the security guard was killed. I really don't understand the necessity for people to be protesting by loitering outside the clinics. If they are so convinced that praying is the answer then a more appropriate place is probably the way to go. Just my opinion. :)

    I guess having children might make your view change. But I don't know Dinghy. I love kids and I completely believe that ALL children should be cared for with love and commitment. It doesn't change my view on abortion though. If a woman feels she cannot have the child then I believe she should be able to avail herself of competent health services. Interestingly, I've read statistics that indicate that a high number of women having abortions already have children or go on to have other children. So I'd say maybe that the circumstances are just not right for them to carry that particular child to term. It's interesting that your views changed after your daughter was born.
    I'm sure she's a really special little person. :)

    I guess that's my view too. It should be available for women, should they need to make that choice. And others should probably buy right out of it if it doesn't concern them.

    I don't know about a hypcrite. It's how you see it. And fair enough too. :)
    I guess you believe in pro life but with certain exceptions. That's cool.
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    DinghyDog wrote:
    aaaah now i know.. melbourne... it was my first contact with australia in Dec 05... holidayed in toorak (of all goddamn places) on the no. 8 tram line (i think).


    yeah they can pray wherever they like i reckon, does it matter whether they're out the feckin front or not?

    its not about prof life or pro chocie... its not a s simple as that...

    i saw my daughter as a person from when we knew she existed... and her conception was pretty memorable too :D so its hard for me to fathom (A) what it feels like to get pregannt and thn (B) deciding to end it


    a world where we dont need abortions... thats what we need

    Dinghy I truly believe that most women see their pregnancy that way too. But I think that circumstances are not such that they wish to make their child suffer by being born into the circumstances as they are at that present time. Which is what makes it such a difficult decision for so many women.
    Imagine knowing you were pregnant, being excited by it, overwhelmed with love for your child and knowing that you simply could not allow it to suffer, choosing to abort over choosing life. An excrutiating decision to make. And not one taken lightly.


    I completely agree that a world where abortion was not necessary would be a wonderful place to be. :)
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  • Jeanie
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    DinghyDog wrote:
    she is the most beautiful thing in this godforsaken world

    better than PJ

    better than crownies :D


    makes me proud


    makes me apprciate my parents

    makes me live

    makes me appreciate

    i love you little anna

    :)
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  • genie
    genie Posts: 2,222
    soulsinging wrote:
    i have father. what's your point? and dont call me son, im probably older than you.

    (shit, i don't know how to quote two people)

    hehe, the reason why he is calling you a son, is cause he thinks or he is a preacher :p
    that's what preachers do, they either call you a son or daughter.
  • know1
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    Jeanie wrote:
    Dinghy I truly believe that most women see their pregnancy that way too. But I think that circumstances are not such that they wish to make their child suffer by being born into the circumstances as they are at that present time. Which is what makes it such a difficult decision for so many women.
    Imagine knowing you were pregnant, being excited by it, overwhelmed with love for your child and knowing that you simply could not allow it to suffer, choosing to abort over choosing life. An excrutiating decision to make. And not one taken lightly.


    I completely agree that a world where abortion was not necessary would be a wonderful place to be. :)

    The potential suffering argument is the lamest, most illogical position to take with regard to being pro abortion. If there was any credibility to it, then it would be justifiable to kill your already-born children if it turns out that they had some unforeseen suffering that you hadn't anticipated when they were alive in your womb.
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  • know1
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    DinghyDog wrote:
    now now, i belive jeanie has a reasonable view on thesubject

    but i can understand that all of us suufer


    but would you like your mum to be a crac k whore>

    i thjink not. i thinkthat is the obvious suffering she means by saying it


    Why don't you go find a child of a drug addict and ask them if they want to be killed and let me know what they say?
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  • know1
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    DinghyDog wrote:
    i bet they wouldnt want to be killed ....

    Me too. And that's just one reason it makes no sense to kill a baby just because it might suffer.
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  • gue_barium
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  • know1
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    gue_barium wrote:
    i wish i had never been born.

    So sue your parents.
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    know1 wrote:
    The potential suffering argument is the lamest, most illogical position to take with regard to being pro abortion. If there was any credibility to it, then it would be justifiable to kill your already-born children if it turns out that they had some unforeseen suffering that you hadn't anticipated when they were alive in your womb.

    Well know1 I'm not going to be arguing with you about this.

    My opinion is that abortion should be available to women. It is. End of story.

    I firmly believe that my parent's life would have been better if they had chosen to abort me. So it's not like I can't see all sides of the situation dispassionately. And if I wasn't here then so be it.

    I don't believe in life above all else. I believe in quality of life.

    I will not watch or allow suffering under my nose and if I had to, if I saw someone I loved suffering, in excrutiating pain, then maybe I could end their suffering should they ask it of me. I wouldn't allow an animal to suffer, I'm hardly going to watch it happen to people that I love. BUT that is all irrelevant, because ultimately, that is MY decision based on the circumstances I MAY find myself in. and I completely accept that other people a) don't share my views and b) may never be in the circumstance where they have to make that decision.
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  • Jeanie
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    gue_barium wrote:
    i wish i had never been born.

    Me too some days gue. :o
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