prison rape: your thoughts

catefrances

Eddie Better wrote:

goes to show how much I know about the bible. I should have googled it....

perhaps next time it might be wise to talk about something you know instead of pulling things out of the sky just for arguments sake.

The Waiting Trophy Man

catefrances wrote:

perhaps next time it might be wise to talk about something you know instead of pulling things out of the sky just for arguments sake.

What did I pull out of the sky??? I didn't know the book of exodus was the bible, so what? That's not what we're discussing anyway.

Put the smile away.

Byrnzie

Eddie Better wrote:

This is what I'm talking about right here. I can't believe this motherfucker died in hospice care. Anyone who still doesn't think we need to bring the death penalty back, GFY......

Make sure to read the "February 2004 conviction"....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Parnell

'He spent much of his adolescence in and out of juvenile hall and mental institutions, showing many signs of disturbance at a very young age.'

I don't think mentally I'll people should be murdered by the state.
In fact, I don't think anyone should be murdered by the state. Seriously, how can the U.S claim any kind of moral high ground in the world as long as it still resorts to such barbarity? As long as the U.S continues to snuff out the lives of it's own citizens then it's no better than China, or Saudi Arabia, or anywhere else for that matter.

catefrances

Eddie Better wrote:

What did I pull out of the sky??? I didn't know the book of exodus was the bible, so what? That's not what we're discussing anyway.

Put the smile away.

i just found it amusing that you use a sentiment from the old testament and then ask me if my book is the bibleand whether im a good christian who relies on God to settle scores.
you're right,we werent talking about books of the bible. but when you preach an eye for an eye, the bible is gonna come up.

sponger

I am going to be up front and honest here and admit that when I started this thread I had -amongst other agendas- the sick and twisted intention of fishing out the Eddie Better of the forum. I had the sneaking suspicion that there was one of him lurking around here somewhere. And I knew that he wouldn't last long against the liberal neo-socialist revolutionary army that is the moving train forum.

In spite of how obviously regressive and borderline mean-spirited his views may be, he never-the-less represents the views shared by a majority of americans regarding this subject. Were it not the case, organizations like SPR.ORG would have no purpose, and therefore would not exist.

And who is to say that if someone close to us was victimized by a pedophile or rapist, that we wouldn't also take comfort in knowing what form of punishment ultimately awaits them behind bars?

And that's why my position is not so much that rapists and pedophiles deserve to be shielded from grotesque and sadistic forms of punishment, but that it can be predicted with absolute certainty that there is a population of innocent men and women living behind bars who are suffering from this terrible fate which society passively deems appropriate for their actions.

Not only that, but a majority of those who are being sexually abused not just on occasion but continually on a daily basis are not the "sickos" per se, but anyone who is young and has no affiliation with an established prison gang.

So, the "collateral damage" from our unspoken acceptance of this abhorrent manifestation of retribution is beyond that which I would deem as reasonable and appropriate.

Uncle Leo

I see a lot about "Child rapists deserve it." And while it's true that child molesters are the most abused people in prison, lets not forget that drug offenders, and other non-vilolent criminals are in prison and they get raped. Take a minute to stop cheering the raping of pedaphiles and remember that most victims of prison rape are not rapists themselves.

facepollution

Eddie Better wrote:

Oh please, you're no expert. You don't know what's in their heads, or why they are the way they are either. You're just as ignorant about it as I am then. WE HAVE A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION, you meathead. You don't like my opinion? And I don't care for yours. Let's agree to disagree. And I don't really care if you find it repugnant that I wouldn't feel sorry for a child rapist to be himself raped while serving a prison sentence. Why the hell should I care? Seems to me that, if you want to avoid getting raped in prsion, avoid doing the things that will land you in jail in the first place. You want to defend child rapists? Go ahead. I mean fuck, there are people who hold candlelight vigils for killers like Ted Bundy and plead for their lives to be spared. Strange world we live in, ain't it?

The difference being that I'm keeping open minded, I don't claim to be an expert - you really need to look up the definition of ignorance. I think the fact that you think rape in certain circumstances is acceptable, speaks volumes about you as a person. You also ignored the questions I asked, presumably becasue they would force you to re-evaluate your stance.

Collin

Eddie Better wrote:

I'm not hate-filled and completely ignorant. There is just nothing to like about a man who would rape a child. Why should I try to understand them? And I'm sorry but the words I used are true. They are sick and twisted. And to those poor little kids, they are monsters.

You are right. Those actions are twisted and sick, child molesters are monsters. I'd say that's a very very normal reaction. And I think everyone agrees that their actions are dispicable.

But that's exactly why we should try to understand them. Understanding the problem is part of the solution. I don't think anyone is asking you to understand them and what they do. We must understand what moves them towards such vile actions. You said so yourself, these people are sick. How do you treat a sickness? By understanding it first. Paedophilia is a mental disorder. No one says you have to like them.

But trying to understand why they do what they do, how they got to that point etc. is a better starting point for a solution than killing them (like some here would like).

And also, it's just sick people actually support rapists. Rape is a horrible crime, whether the victim is a paedophile or a young woman. It's rape and some of you are cheering for it. So basically your opinion of rape is, it's wrong but right and even deserves my support and cheering in some cases. And people talk about monsters commiting rape! You're fucking cheering for it! Twisted and sick.

writersu

MrSmith wrote:

the problem is i dont think any 250 lb gangbanging murderers are getting rammed in the ass , and they deserve it far more than scrawny 19 year old in jail because his girlfriend was 17.

I just saw a thing on TV that said there is a special on 20/20 tonight about the whole consent thing with teens and the subject you bring up.

looks like it might be good....

he brings up the same point of why is it illegal and the same as sex offenders?
he seems to agree with us........

Byrnzie

writersu wrote:

he brings up the same point of why is it illegal and the same as sex offenders?
he seems to agree with us........

What do you mean by 'sex offender'? Anyone who happens to have been classified a sex offender by the authorities? Or anyone who has had sex with someone under the legal age, even if it was consensual? I mean, if a 16 year old has sex with a 15 year old, should the 16 year old be classified a sex offender? If someone who is 15 years and 364 days old has sex with an older man, should the man be classed as a sex offender?
It's all a bit vague isn't it?

writersu

Byrnzie wrote:

What do you mean by 'sex offender'? Anyone who happens to have been classified a sex offender by the authorities? Or anyone who has had sex with someone under the legal age, even if it was consensual? I mean, if a 16 year old has sex with a 15 year old, should the 16 year old be classified a sex offender? If someone who is 15 years and 364 days old has sex with an older man, should the man be classed as a sex offender?
It's all a bit vague isn't it?

no, we were saying that the point of two teens who have consentual sex is not a sex crime. but in some states, they still are convicted as one as they go on a list that contains the names of sex offenders who do the whole spectrum of sex crimes, from rape, to sodomy, to child molestation..etc.

that is a mess, in my opinion.........