prison rape: your thoughts

The Waiting Trophy Man

know1 wrote:

In my opinion that is a disgusting position to take. It lowers you a lot closer to the level of the criminal.

I disagree. And I will go even further. After they get their own asses raped(eye for an eye), take them out back and blow their fuckin' heads off. Seriously. Who needs people like that in society? You can't rehabilitate a child molester. That's what they get off on. That's what they will always get off on. So you either let them out so they can keep raping children, or you have to end them. No point locking them up forever. That would cost taxpayers money, and we have more important things to spend our money on. We have to weed these monsters out of society. They cannot be trusted and they cannot be rehabilitated. So the simple solution is to get rid of them. Besides, there are a lot worse things than death.

sponger

Eddie Better wrote:

Besides, there are a lot worse things than death.

..such as getting raped in the butt everyday. No matter how deserving some of them might be, not all convicted rapists and child molesters are actually guilty of those crimes. There are many innocent people behind bars who are getting raped for crimes they never committed.

And not to mention, it isn't just the rapists and child molesters who are getting butt-raped. It's basically whoever is young and doesn't have a gang to back them up.

Since its creation, the Presidents of StopPrisonerRape.org were locked up in jail for just a matter of days for minor violations such as protesting on the white house lawn. In those few days, they were butt-raped up to 60 times by multiple assailants.

It's a serious problem that needs addressing even if it means protecting the sickos who might otherwise deserve it.

Personally, I don't think that they do deserve it because what it amounts to is cruel and unusual punishment, and I like to think that we are society that is above that.

JaneNY

How we allow our prisoners to be treated says something about us, not about them. Prison is for separation, for removal of dangerous elements from society, and the punishment is that separation and loss of freedom and free will. Advocating rape, and murder of prisoners is cruel and unusual punishment which is unconstitutional.

catefrances

Eddie Better wrote:

I disagree. And I will go even further. After they get their own asses raped(eye for an eye), take them out back and blow their fuckin' heads off. Seriously. Who needs people like that in society? You can't rehabilitate a child molester. That's what they get off on. That's what they will always get off on. So you either let them out so they can keep raping children, or you have to end them. No point locking them up forever. That would cost taxpayers money, and we have more important things to spend our money on. We have to weed these monsters out of society. They cannot be trusted and they cannot be rehabilitated. So the simple solution is to get rid of them. Besides, there are a lot worse things than death.

such hostility. though im not surprised when you haul out rhetoric from the book of exodus.

JOEJOEJOE

g under p wrote:

I first saw this video back in 1992 on Mtv and what a haunting video it was. I wish I could find it and give a little insight on how powerful the words are.

Artist: The Disposable Heroes Of Hiphoprisy lyrics
Album: Hypocrisy Is the Greatest Luxury
Year: 1992
Title: Language Of Violence

Thats a great album...great beats.

The DHOHs was Michael Franti's band before Spearhead....a big departure.

g under p

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

g under p wrote:

I first saw this video back in 1992 on Mtv and what a haunting video it was. I wish I could find it and give a little insight on how powerful the words are.

Artist: The Disposable Heroes Of Hiphoprisy lyrics
Album: Hypocrisy Is the Greatest Luxury
Year: 1992
Title: Language Of Violence

Thats a great album...great beats.

The DHOHs was Michael Franti's band before Spearhead....a big departure.

Yes that is correct. Michael started with Beatnigs...DHOH then SPEARHEAD.....Michael Franti & Spearhead.

Love DHOH like this song TELEVISION: Drug Of The Nation

Peace

g under p

g under p wrote:

I first saw this video back in 1992 on Mtv and what a haunting video it was. I wish I could find it and give a little insight on how powerful the words are.

Artist: The Disposable Heroes Of Hiphoprisy lyrics
Album: Hypocrisy Is the Greatest Luxury
Year: 1992
Title: Language Of Violence



The first day of school was always the hardest
The first day of school, the hallways the darkest
Like a gauntlet
the voices haunted
Walking in with his thin skin, lowered chin
He knew the names that they would taunt him with
Faggot, sissy, punk, queen, queer
Although he'd never had sex in his 15 years
And when they harassed him it was for a reason
And when they provoked him it became open season
for the fox and the hunter, the sparks and the thunder
that pushed the boy under, then pillage and plunder
It kind of makes you wonder
how one can hurt another

But dehumanizing the victim makes things simpler
It's like breathing with a respirator
It eases the conscience of even the most conscious
and calculating violator
Words can reduce a person to an object,
something more easy to hate
An inanimate entity, completely disposable,
no problem to obliterate

[CHORUS:]
But death is the silence
in this language of violence
Death is the silence
But death is the silence
in this cycle of violence
death is the silence

It's tough to be young, the young long to be tougher
When we pick on someone else it might make us feel rougher
Abused by their fathers but was at home though
so to prove to each other that they were not homos
The exclamation of the phobic fury
executioner, a judge and jury
The mob mentality, individuality was nowhere
Dignity forgotten at the bottom of a dumb old dare and a numb cold stare
On the way home it was back to name calling
Ten against one they had his back up against the wall and
they reveled in their laughter as they surrounded him
But it wasn't a game when they up jumped and grounded him
They picked up their bats with their muscles straining
and they decided they were gonna beat this fella's brain in
with an awful, powerful, showerful, an hour full of violence
Inflict the strictest brutality and dominance
They didn't hear him screaming, they didn't hear him pleading
They ran like cowards and left the boy bleeding
in a pool of red 'til all tears were shed
and his eyes quietly slid into the back of his head
dead...

[CHORUS]

[x2]
You won't see the face 'til the eyelids drop
You won't hear the screaming until it stops

The boy's parents were gone and his grandmother had raised him
She was mad she had no form of retaliation
The pack didn't have to worry about being on a hitlist
But the thing they never thought about was that there was a witness
to this senseless crime, right place wrong time
Tried as an adult one of them was gonna do hard time

The first day of prison was always the hardest
The first day of prison, the hallways the darkest
Like a gauntlet
the voices haunted
Faggot, sissy, punk, queen, queer
Words he used before had a new meaning in here
As a group of men in front of him came near
for the first time in his life the young bully felt fear
He'd never been on this side of the name calling
Five against one they had his back up against the wall and
he had never questioned his own sexuality
but this group of men didn't hesitate in their reality
with an awful, powerful, showerful, an hour full of violence
Inflict the strictest brutality and dominance
They didn't hear him screaming
They didn't hear him pleading
They took what they wanted and then left him bleeding in the corner
The giant reduced to jack horner

But dehumanizing the victim makes things simpler
It's like breathing with a respirator
It eases the conscience of even the most conscious
and calculating violator

The power of words, don't take it for granted
when you hear a man ranting
Don't just read the lips, be more sublime than this
Put everything in context, is this a tale of rough justice
in a land where there's no justice at all ?
Who is really the victim ? Or are we all the cause, and victim of it all ?

[CHORUS]

[x2]
You won't see the face 'til the eyelids drop
You won't hear the screaming until it stop


Peace

Messing around and I happened to find the video....Language Of Violence

Peace

sponger

JaneNY wrote:

How we allow our prisoners to be treated says something about us, not about them. Prison is for separation, for removal of dangerous elements from society, and the punishment is that separation and loss of freedom and free will. Advocating rape, and murder of prisoners is cruel and unusual punishment which is unconstitutional.

^^^the voice of reason right there.

It's sorta funny...when I awoke this afternoon I remembered this thread and suddenly wondered how I could've been so moved by that editorial to the point of doing research on the web and eventually starting this thread.

It bugs me to think of dudes getting it in the rear whilst serving their time in the can, but it's never really affected me that much. I think it was the mixture of caffeine and oxycontin that inspired me so.

But, one thing I remember the writer saying which stuck out in my mind was that we as a society tend to put away people that we're mad at, and so we tend to focus on their punishment and not on their rehabilitation.

mattosborne

I'm against it?

I actually have no problem with it what-so-ever if the victim is a sexual predator of some type, rape, child molestation etc.

macgyver06

sponger wrote:

I was profoundly struck by an editorial I read in the paper today regarding the frequency and severity of prison rape in both male and female US prisons.

Are convicts getting what they ultimately deserve, or is the widespread apathy of prison officials about this grotesque subject endangering the last hope of rehabilitation for society's misguided?

http://www.spr.org/

you werent aware of this?

macgyver06

mattosborne wrote:

I'm against it?

I actually have no problem with it what-so-ever if the victim is a sexual predator of some type, rape, child molestation etc.

what if he is wrongly convicted??

facepollution

JaneNY wrote:

How we allow our prisoners to be treated says something about us, not about them. Prison is for separation, for removal of dangerous elements from society, and the punishment is that separation and loss of freedom and free will. Advocating rape, and murder of prisoners is cruel and unusual punishment which is unconstitutional.

I absolutely agree. I often hear people say 'why should we pay to keep these people in prison'. I on the other hand have absolutely no issues with my tax money going towards keeping some of the most dangerous people in society locked up.

The Waiting Trophy Man

sponger wrote:

..such as getting raped in the butt everyday.

Or...locking people up in jail for life. What kind of life is that?? If you are such a bad person that you need to be locked behind bars for the rest of your life, then what does that tell you??

You don't think people deserve what they get?? You like to think we are a society that is above that? Oh, but it's ok to let a bunch of child rapists run free and rape little kids? What kind of society is that?? I would like to think we're a society that doesn't let innocent children fall victim to convicted, repeat sex offenders who are beyond rehabilitation.

The Waiting Trophy Man

catefrances wrote:

such hostility. though im not surprised when you haul out rhetoric from the book of exodus.

And what's your book? The bible? Are you a good christian who believes it's up to god to punish the bad people?? :rolleyes:

The Waiting Trophy Man

This is what I'm talking about right here. I can't believe this motherfucker died in hospice care. Anyone who still doesn't think we need to bring the death penalty back, GFY......

Make sure to read the "February 2004 conviction"....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Parnell

prljmngrl

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Aren't the stats 1 out of every 10 people are in Jail in the US, and 10 times more blacks than whites at that? or something like that..

Kinda looks like they made the jails for black people...

oh puhleeeeeze...

prljmngrl

MrSmith wrote:

the problem is i dont think any 250 lb gangbanging murderers are getting rammed in the ass , and they deserve it far more than scrawny 19 year old in jail because his girlfriend was 17.

very good point

prljmngrl

g under p wrote:

I first saw this video back in 1992 on Mtv and what a haunting video it was. I wish I could find it and give a little insight on how powerful the words are.

Artist: The Disposable Heroes Of Hiphoprisy lyrics
Album: Hypocrisy Is the Greatest Luxury
Year: 1992
Title: Language Of Violence



The first day of school was always the hardest
The first day of school, the hallways the darkest
Like a gauntlet
the voices haunted
Walking in with his thin skin, lowered chin
He knew the names that they would taunt him with
Faggot, sissy, punk, queen, queer
Although he'd never had sex in his 15 years
And when they harassed him it was for a reason
And when they provoked him it became open season
for the fox and the hunter, the sparks and the thunder
that pushed the boy under, then pillage and plunder
It kind of makes you wonder
how one can hurt another

But dehumanizing the victim makes things simpler
It's like breathing with a respirator
It eases the conscience of even the most conscious
and calculating violator
Words can reduce a person to an object,
something more easy to hate
An inanimate entity, completely disposable,
no problem to obliterate

[CHORUS:]
But death is the silence
in this language of violence
Death is the silence
But death is the silence
in this cycle of violence
death is the silence

It's tough to be young, the young long to be tougher
When we pick on someone else it might make us feel rougher
Abused by their fathers but was at home though
so to prove to each other that they were not homos
The exclamation of the phobic fury
executioner, a judge and jury
The mob mentality, individuality was nowhere
Dignity forgotten at the bottom of a dumb old dare and a numb cold stare
On the way home it was back to name calling
Ten against one they had his back up against the wall and
they reveled in their laughter as they surrounded him
But it wasn't a game when they up jumped and grounded him
They picked up their bats with their muscles straining
and they decided they were gonna beat this fella's brain in
with an awful, powerful, showerful, an hour full of violence
Inflict the strictest brutality and dominance
They didn't hear him screaming, they didn't hear him pleading
They ran like cowards and left the boy bleeding
in a pool of red 'til all tears were shed
and his eyes quietly slid into the back of his head
dead...

[CHORUS]

[x2]
You won't see the face 'til the eyelids drop
You won't hear the screaming until it stops

The boy's parents were gone and his grandmother had raised him
She was mad she had no form of retaliation
The pack didn't have to worry about being on a hitlist
But the thing they never thought about was that there was a witness
to this senseless crime, right place wrong time
Tried as an adult one of them was gonna do hard time

The first day of prison was always the hardest
The first day of prison, the hallways the darkest
Like a gauntlet
the voices haunted
Faggot, sissy, punk, queen, queer
Words he used before had a new meaning in here
As a group of men in front of him came near
for the first time in his life the young bully felt fear
He'd never been on this side of the name calling
Five against one they had his back up against the wall and
he had never questioned his own sexuality
but this group of men didn't hesitate in their reality
with an awful, powerful, showerful, an hour full of violence
Inflict the strictest brutality and dominance
They didn't hear him screaming
They didn't hear him pleading
They took what they wanted and then left him bleeding in the corner
The giant reduced to jack horner

But dehumanizing the victim makes things simpler
It's like breathing with a respirator
It eases the conscience of even the most conscious
and calculating violator

The power of words, don't take it for granted
when you hear a man ranting
Don't just read the lips, be more sublime than this
Put everything in context, is this a tale of rough justice
in a land where there's no justice at all ?
Who is really the victim ? Or are we all the cause, and victim of it all ?

[CHORUS]

[x2]
You won't see the face 'til the eyelids drop
You won't hear the screaming until it stop


Peace

I don't get it. Are we supposed to feel sorry for the kid who went to jail for murdering his peer?

prljmngrl

Cosmo wrote:

...
Hasn't prison rape been going on since the invention of prison? I mean, I always thought that everyone already knew this.
...
This is why I don't think it's such a good thing to just throw everyone in prison. Murderers, rapists, child molestors, Charlie Manson... yes. The kid that got busted for smoking pot at the park in one of those hillbilly corn whiskey states... no.

yes yes and yes! I agree. The prison population should be separated by crime. Put all the lost causes in together and let them have at one another. Give the rehab to those who truly would use it and make better of themselves. And before you say "well how do we know who is who, everyone shoud have an equal chance" or some nonsense, history and behavior are not that difficult to understand. Like mentioned earlier...the kid who is in prison for having an underage girlfriend is not dangerous and tainted like the pleasure rapist.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

as much as i love talking about PRISON RAPE, i'm just gonna say that i think this occurence is much more rare than people think.