the problem is i dont think any 250 lb gangbanging murderers are getting rammed in the ass , and they deserve it far more than scrawny 19 year old in jail because his girlfriend was 17.
Now, what leads to prison rape, apart from the obvious? Cell overcrowding, and a lack of effective stewarding don't help. Serious reforms of prison services need to be considered, whether these institutions are run by private companies or the state. The criminal justice system in many countries needs an overhaul, because the bottom line is, whether the punishment fits the crime or not, people can't afford to keep prisons the way they're being run and overpopulated.
Personally, I can't see why inmates are denied the vote, let alone other rights. If the poverty that led you to crime was caused by one party's politics, and you think an alternative would give you chance to rehabilitate and get a job once you're outside, you should have a say in your future.
The US population crossed the 300 million mark in October of 2006.
At year end 2006, there 2,258,983 Americans in prison or .75% of the population. So less than 1 out of every 100 Americans are in jail.
Oops typo on the zero(s)...
don't drop the soap...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Personally, I can't see why inmates are denied the vote, let alone other rights. If the poverty that led you to crime was caused by one party's politics, and you think an alternative would give you chance to rehabilitate and get a job once you're outside, you should have a say in your future.
Interesting idea. Not sure I agree with it, but I can't say I've ever thought about it that way.
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I first saw this video back in 1992 on Mtv and what a haunting video it was. I wish I could find it and give a little insight on how powerful the words are.
Artist: The Disposable Heroes Of Hiphoprisy lyrics
Album: Hypocrisy Is the Greatest Luxury
Year: 1992
Title: Language Of Violence
The first day of school was always the hardest
The first day of school, the hallways the darkest
Like a gauntlet
the voices haunted
Walking in with his thin skin, lowered chin
He knew the names that they would taunt him with
Faggot, sissy, punk, queen, queer
Although he'd never had sex in his 15 years
And when they harassed him it was for a reason
And when they provoked him it became open season
for the fox and the hunter, the sparks and the thunder
that pushed the boy under, then pillage and plunder
It kind of makes you wonder
how one can hurt another
But dehumanizing the victim makes things simpler
It's like breathing with a respirator
It eases the conscience of even the most conscious
and calculating violator
Words can reduce a person to an object,
something more easy to hate
An inanimate entity, completely disposable,
no problem to obliterate
[CHORUS:]
But death is the silence
in this language of violence
Death is the silence
But death is the silence
in this cycle of violence
death is the silence
It's tough to be young, the young long to be tougher
When we pick on someone else it might make us feel rougher
Abused by their fathers but was at home though
so to prove to each other that they were not homos
The exclamation of the phobic fury
executioner, a judge and jury
The mob mentality, individuality was nowhere
Dignity forgotten at the bottom of a dumb old dare and a numb cold stare
On the way home it was back to name calling
Ten against one they had his back up against the wall and
they reveled in their laughter as they surrounded him
But it wasn't a game when they up jumped and grounded him
They picked up their bats with their muscles straining
and they decided they were gonna beat this fella's brain in
with an awful, powerful, showerful, an hour full of violence
Inflict the strictest brutality and dominance
They didn't hear him screaming, they didn't hear him pleading
They ran like cowards and left the boy bleeding
in a pool of red 'til all tears were shed
and his eyes quietly slid into the back of his head
dead...
[CHORUS]
[x2]
You won't see the face 'til the eyelids drop
You won't hear the screaming until it stops
The boy's parents were gone and his grandmother had raised him
She was mad she had no form of retaliation
The pack didn't have to worry about being on a hitlist
But the thing they never thought about was that there was a witness
to this senseless crime, right place wrong time
Tried as an adult one of them was gonna do hard time
The first day of prison was always the hardest
The first day of prison, the hallways the darkest
Like a gauntlet
the voices haunted
Faggot, sissy, punk, queen, queer
Words he used before had a new meaning in here
As a group of men in front of him came near
for the first time in his life the young bully felt fear
He'd never been on this side of the name calling
Five against one they had his back up against the wall and
he had never questioned his own sexuality
but this group of men didn't hesitate in their reality
with an awful, powerful, showerful, an hour full of violence
Inflict the strictest brutality and dominance
They didn't hear him screaming
They didn't hear him pleading
They took what they wanted and then left him bleeding in the corner
The giant reduced to jack horner
But dehumanizing the victim makes things simpler
It's like breathing with a respirator
It eases the conscience of even the most conscious
and calculating violator
The power of words, don't take it for granted
when you hear a man ranting
Don't just read the lips, be more sublime than this
Put everything in context, is this a tale of rough justice
in a land where there's no justice at all ?
Who is really the victim ? Or are we all the cause, and victim of it all ?
[CHORUS]
[x2]
You won't see the face 'til the eyelids drop
You won't hear the screaming until it stop
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I agree to an extent... for me though, I could care less if child rapists are raped in prison.
yeah, I know, but for the sake of what the system is "suppose" to be doing which is,of course, to rehabilitate, prisoners should have human rights or maybe the prisons would do better to separate the really hard core criminals from the less offensive criminals.
and yeah I do feel deep down no one should be treated like an animal but I also think that the child killers, seriel killers, child rapists, etc. should be thrown into an "Escape From NY" kind of scenario and then they can all be as crazy as they like.
Baby, You Wouldn't Last a Minute on The Creek......
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
the problem is i dont think any 250 lb gangbanging murderers are getting rammed in the ass , and they deserve it far more than scrawny 19 year old in jail because his girlfriend was 17.
yeah, and this is like a WHOLE other subject but that "crime" is hardly a crime. 19 yr olds and 17 yr olds are really not that different in age. now, 17 and like 30 is more messed up for sure, but 17 and 19?
Baby, You Wouldn't Last a Minute on The Creek......
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
I was profoundly struck by an editorial I read in the paper today regarding the frequency and severity of prison rape in both male and female US prisons.
Are convicts getting what they ultimately deserve, or is the widespread apathy of prison officials about this grotesque subject endangering the last hope of rehabilitation for society's misguided?
no one deserves to be raped, but if they did, prison rape can't be looked at as fair or deserving, because not everyone is getting it in the end (pun inteneded).
"Music, for me, was fucking heroin." eV (nothing Ed has said is more true for me personally than this quote)
yeah, and this is like a WHOLE other subject but that "crime" is hardly a crime. 19 yr olds and 17 yr olds are really not that different in age. now, 17 and like 30 is more messed up for sure, but 17 and 19?
and whats worse is that the law varies from state to state. So in one state its perfectly legal and in the next state over you go to prison for rape and get put on the sex offender list for the rest of your life. that makes sense...
I was profoundly struck by an editorial I read in the paper today regarding the frequency and severity of prison rape in both male and female US prisons.
Are convicts getting what they ultimately deserve, or is the widespread apathy of prison officials about this grotesque subject endangering the last hope of rehabilitation for society's misguided?
...
Hasn't prison rape been going on since the invention of prison? I mean, I always thought that everyone already knew this.
...
This is why I don't think it's such a good thing to just throw everyone in prison. Murderers, rapists, child molestors, Charlie Manson... yes. The kid that got busted for smoking pot at the park in one of those hillbilly corn whiskey states... no.
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In my opinion that is a disgusting position to take. It lowers you a lot closer to the level of the criminal.
I disagree. And I will go even further. After they get their own asses raped(eye for an eye), take them out back and blow their fuckin' heads off. Seriously. Who needs people like that in society? You can't rehabilitate a child molester. That's what they get off on. That's what they will always get off on. So you either let them out so they can keep raping children, or you have to end them. No point locking them up forever. That would cost taxpayers money, and we have more important things to spend our money on. We have to weed these monsters out of society. They cannot be trusted and they cannot be rehabilitated. So the simple solution is to get rid of them. Besides, there are a lot worse things than death.
Another habit says it's in love with you
Another habit says its long overdue
Another habit like an unwanted friend
I'm so happy with my righteous self
..such as getting raped in the butt everyday. No matter how deserving some of them might be, not all convicted rapists and child molesters are actually guilty of those crimes. There are many innocent people behind bars who are getting raped for crimes they never committed.
And not to mention, it isn't just the rapists and child molesters who are getting butt-raped. It's basically whoever is young and doesn't have a gang to back them up.
Since its creation, the Presidents of StopPrisonerRape.org were locked up in jail for just a matter of days for minor violations such as protesting on the white house lawn. In those few days, they were butt-raped up to 60 times by multiple assailants.
It's a serious problem that needs addressing even if it means protecting the sickos who might otherwise deserve it.
Personally, I don't think that they do deserve it because what it amounts to is cruel and unusual punishment, and I like to think that we are society that is above that.
How we allow our prisoners to be treated says something about us, not about them. Prison is for separation, for removal of dangerous elements from society, and the punishment is that separation and loss of freedom and free will. Advocating rape, and murder of prisoners is cruel and unusual punishment which is unconstitutional.
R.i.p. Rigoberto Alpizar.
R.i.p. My Dad - May 28, 2007
R.i.p. Black Tail (cat) - Sept. 20, 2008
I disagree. And I will go even further. After they get their own asses raped(eye for an eye), take them out back and blow their fuckin' heads off. Seriously. Who needs people like that in society? You can't rehabilitate a child molester. That's what they get off on. That's what they will always get off on. So you either let them out so they can keep raping children, or you have to end them. No point locking them up forever. That would cost taxpayers money, and we have more important things to spend our money on. We have to weed these monsters out of society. They cannot be trusted and they cannot be rehabilitated. So the simple solution is to get rid of them. Besides, there are a lot worse things than death.
such hostility. though im not surprised when you haul out rhetoric from the book of exodus.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
I first saw this video back in 1992 on Mtv and what a haunting video it was. I wish I could find it and give a little insight on how powerful the words are.
Artist: The Disposable Heroes Of Hiphoprisy lyrics
Album: Hypocrisy Is the Greatest Luxury
Year: 1992
Title: Language Of Violence
Thats a great album...great beats.
The DHOHs was Michael Franti's band before Spearhead....a big departure.
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I first saw this video back in 1992 on Mtv and what a haunting video it was. I wish I could find it and give a little insight on how powerful the words are.
Artist: The Disposable Heroes Of Hiphoprisy lyrics
Album: Hypocrisy Is the Greatest Luxury
Year: 1992
Title: Language Of Violence
Thats a great album...great beats.
The DHOHs was Michael Franti's band before Spearhead....a big departure.
Yes that is correct. Michael started with Beatnigs...DHOH then SPEARHEAD.....Michael Franti & Spearhead.
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
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Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
I first saw this video back in 1992 on Mtv and what a haunting video it was. I wish I could find it and give a little insight on how powerful the words are.
Artist: The Disposable Heroes Of Hiphoprisy lyrics
Album: Hypocrisy Is the Greatest Luxury
Year: 1992
Title: Language Of Violence
The first day of school was always the hardest
The first day of school, the hallways the darkest
Like a gauntlet
the voices haunted
Walking in with his thin skin, lowered chin
He knew the names that they would taunt him with
Faggot, sissy, punk, queen, queer
Although he'd never had sex in his 15 years
And when they harassed him it was for a reason
And when they provoked him it became open season
for the fox and the hunter, the sparks and the thunder
that pushed the boy under, then pillage and plunder
It kind of makes you wonder
how one can hurt another
But dehumanizing the victim makes things simpler
It's like breathing with a respirator
It eases the conscience of even the most conscious
and calculating violator
Words can reduce a person to an object,
something more easy to hate
An inanimate entity, completely disposable,
no problem to obliterate
[CHORUS:]
But death is the silence
in this language of violence
Death is the silence
But death is the silence
in this cycle of violence
death is the silence
It's tough to be young, the young long to be tougher
When we pick on someone else it might make us feel rougher
Abused by their fathers but was at home though
so to prove to each other that they were not homos
The exclamation of the phobic fury
executioner, a judge and jury
The mob mentality, individuality was nowhere
Dignity forgotten at the bottom of a dumb old dare and a numb cold stare
On the way home it was back to name calling
Ten against one they had his back up against the wall and
they reveled in their laughter as they surrounded him
But it wasn't a game when they up jumped and grounded him
They picked up their bats with their muscles straining
and they decided they were gonna beat this fella's brain in
with an awful, powerful, showerful, an hour full of violence
Inflict the strictest brutality and dominance
They didn't hear him screaming, they didn't hear him pleading
They ran like cowards and left the boy bleeding
in a pool of red 'til all tears were shed
and his eyes quietly slid into the back of his head
dead...
[CHORUS]
[x2]
You won't see the face 'til the eyelids drop
You won't hear the screaming until it stops
The boy's parents were gone and his grandmother had raised him
She was mad she had no form of retaliation
The pack didn't have to worry about being on a hitlist
But the thing they never thought about was that there was a witness
to this senseless crime, right place wrong time
Tried as an adult one of them was gonna do hard time
The first day of prison was always the hardest
The first day of prison, the hallways the darkest
Like a gauntlet
the voices haunted
Faggot, sissy, punk, queen, queer
Words he used before had a new meaning in here
As a group of men in front of him came near
for the first time in his life the young bully felt fear
He'd never been on this side of the name calling
Five against one they had his back up against the wall and
he had never questioned his own sexuality
but this group of men didn't hesitate in their reality
with an awful, powerful, showerful, an hour full of violence
Inflict the strictest brutality and dominance
They didn't hear him screaming
They didn't hear him pleading
They took what they wanted and then left him bleeding in the corner
The giant reduced to jack horner
But dehumanizing the victim makes things simpler
It's like breathing with a respirator
It eases the conscience of even the most conscious
and calculating violator
The power of words, don't take it for granted
when you hear a man ranting
Don't just read the lips, be more sublime than this
Put everything in context, is this a tale of rough justice
in a land where there's no justice at all ?
Who is really the victim ? Or are we all the cause, and victim of it all ?
[CHORUS]
[x2]
You won't see the face 'til the eyelids drop
You won't hear the screaming until it stop
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
How we allow our prisoners to be treated says something about us, not about them. Prison is for separation, for removal of dangerous elements from society, and the punishment is that separation and loss of freedom and free will. Advocating rape, and murder of prisoners is cruel and unusual punishment which is unconstitutional.
^^^the voice of reason right there.
It's sorta funny...when I awoke this afternoon I remembered this thread and suddenly wondered how I could've been so moved by that editorial to the point of doing research on the web and eventually starting this thread.
It bugs me to think of dudes getting it in the rear whilst serving their time in the can, but it's never really affected me that much. I think it was the mixture of caffeine and oxycontin that inspired me so.
But, one thing I remember the writer saying which stuck out in my mind was that we as a society tend to put away people that we're mad at, and so we tend to focus on their punishment and not on their rehabilitation.
I was profoundly struck by an editorial I read in the paper today regarding the frequency and severity of prison rape in both male and female US prisons.
Are convicts getting what they ultimately deserve, or is the widespread apathy of prison officials about this grotesque subject endangering the last hope of rehabilitation for society's misguided?
How we allow our prisoners to be treated says something about us, not about them. Prison is for separation, for removal of dangerous elements from society, and the punishment is that separation and loss of freedom and free will. Advocating rape, and murder of prisoners is cruel and unusual punishment which is unconstitutional.
I absolutely agree. I often hear people say 'why should we pay to keep these people in prison'. I on the other hand have absolutely no issues with my tax money going towards keeping some of the most dangerous people in society locked up.
Or...locking people up in jail for life. What kind of life is that?? If you are such a bad person that you need to be locked behind bars for the rest of your life, then what does that tell you??
You don't think people deserve what they get?? You like to think we are a society that is above that? Oh, but it's ok to let a bunch of child rapists run free and rape little kids? What kind of society is that?? I would like to think we're a society that doesn't let innocent children fall victim to convicted, repeat sex offenders who are beyond rehabilitation.
Another habit says it's in love with you
Another habit says its long overdue
Another habit like an unwanted friend
I'm so happy with my righteous self
This is what I'm talking about right here. I can't believe this motherfucker died in hospice care. Anyone who still doesn't think we need to bring the death penalty back, GFY......
Make sure to read the "February 2004 conviction"....
the problem is i dont think any 250 lb gangbanging murderers are getting rammed in the ass , and they deserve it far more than scrawny 19 year old in jail because his girlfriend was 17.
I first saw this video back in 1992 on Mtv and what a haunting video it was. I wish I could find it and give a little insight on how powerful the words are.
Artist: The Disposable Heroes Of Hiphoprisy lyrics
Album: Hypocrisy Is the Greatest Luxury
Year: 1992
Title: Language Of Violence
The first day of school was always the hardest
The first day of school, the hallways the darkest
Like a gauntlet
the voices haunted
Walking in with his thin skin, lowered chin
He knew the names that they would taunt him with
Faggot, sissy, punk, queen, queer
Although he'd never had sex in his 15 years
And when they harassed him it was for a reason
And when they provoked him it became open season
for the fox and the hunter, the sparks and the thunder
that pushed the boy under, then pillage and plunder
It kind of makes you wonder
how one can hurt another
But dehumanizing the victim makes things simpler
It's like breathing with a respirator
It eases the conscience of even the most conscious
and calculating violator
Words can reduce a person to an object,
something more easy to hate
An inanimate entity, completely disposable,
no problem to obliterate
[CHORUS:]
But death is the silence
in this language of violence
Death is the silence
But death is the silence
in this cycle of violence
death is the silence
It's tough to be young, the young long to be tougher
When we pick on someone else it might make us feel rougher
Abused by their fathers but was at home though
so to prove to each other that they were not homos
The exclamation of the phobic fury
executioner, a judge and jury
The mob mentality, individuality was nowhere
Dignity forgotten at the bottom of a dumb old dare and a numb cold stare
On the way home it was back to name calling
Ten against one they had his back up against the wall and
they reveled in their laughter as they surrounded him
But it wasn't a game when they up jumped and grounded him
They picked up their bats with their muscles straining
and they decided they were gonna beat this fella's brain in
with an awful, powerful, showerful, an hour full of violence
Inflict the strictest brutality and dominance
They didn't hear him screaming, they didn't hear him pleading
They ran like cowards and left the boy bleeding
in a pool of red 'til all tears were shed
and his eyes quietly slid into the back of his head
dead...
[CHORUS]
[x2]
You won't see the face 'til the eyelids drop
You won't hear the screaming until it stops
The boy's parents were gone and his grandmother had raised him
She was mad she had no form of retaliation
The pack didn't have to worry about being on a hitlist
But the thing they never thought about was that there was a witness
to this senseless crime, right place wrong time
Tried as an adult one of them was gonna do hard time
The first day of prison was always the hardest
The first day of prison, the hallways the darkest
Like a gauntlet
the voices haunted
Faggot, sissy, punk, queen, queer
Words he used before had a new meaning in here
As a group of men in front of him came near
for the first time in his life the young bully felt fear
He'd never been on this side of the name calling
Five against one they had his back up against the wall and
he had never questioned his own sexuality
but this group of men didn't hesitate in their reality
with an awful, powerful, showerful, an hour full of violence
Inflict the strictest brutality and dominance
They didn't hear him screaming
They didn't hear him pleading
They took what they wanted and then left him bleeding in the corner
The giant reduced to jack horner
But dehumanizing the victim makes things simpler
It's like breathing with a respirator
It eases the conscience of even the most conscious
and calculating violator
The power of words, don't take it for granted
when you hear a man ranting
Don't just read the lips, be more sublime than this
Put everything in context, is this a tale of rough justice
in a land where there's no justice at all ?
Who is really the victim ? Or are we all the cause, and victim of it all ?
[CHORUS]
[x2]
You won't see the face 'til the eyelids drop
You won't hear the screaming until it stop
Peace
I don't get it. Are we supposed to feel sorry for the kid who went to jail for murdering his peer?
...
Hasn't prison rape been going on since the invention of prison? I mean, I always thought that everyone already knew this.
...
This is why I don't think it's such a good thing to just throw everyone in prison. Murderers, rapists, child molestors, Charlie Manson... yes. The kid that got busted for smoking pot at the park in one of those hillbilly corn whiskey states... no.
yes yes and yes! I agree. The prison population should be separated by crime. Put all the lost causes in together and let them have at one another. Give the rehab to those who truly would use it and make better of themselves. And before you say "well how do we know who is who, everyone shoud have an equal chance" or some nonsense, history and behavior are not that difficult to understand. Like mentioned earlier...the kid who is in prison for having an underage girlfriend is not dangerous and tainted like the pleasure rapist.
Comments
not what I'm referring to.
Personally, I can't see why inmates are denied the vote, let alone other rights. If the poverty that led you to crime was caused by one party's politics, and you think an alternative would give you chance to rehabilitate and get a job once you're outside, you should have a say in your future.
Oops typo on the zero(s)...
don't drop the soap...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Interesting idea. Not sure I agree with it, but I can't say I've ever thought about it that way.
Artist: The Disposable Heroes Of Hiphoprisy lyrics
Album: Hypocrisy Is the Greatest Luxury
Year: 1992
Title: Language Of Violence
The first day of school was always the hardest
The first day of school, the hallways the darkest
Like a gauntlet
the voices haunted
Walking in with his thin skin, lowered chin
He knew the names that they would taunt him with
Faggot, sissy, punk, queen, queer
Although he'd never had sex in his 15 years
And when they harassed him it was for a reason
And when they provoked him it became open season
for the fox and the hunter, the sparks and the thunder
that pushed the boy under, then pillage and plunder
It kind of makes you wonder
how one can hurt another
But dehumanizing the victim makes things simpler
It's like breathing with a respirator
It eases the conscience of even the most conscious
and calculating violator
Words can reduce a person to an object,
something more easy to hate
An inanimate entity, completely disposable,
no problem to obliterate
[CHORUS:]
But death is the silence
in this language of violence
Death is the silence
But death is the silence
in this cycle of violence
death is the silence
It's tough to be young, the young long to be tougher
When we pick on someone else it might make us feel rougher
Abused by their fathers but was at home though
so to prove to each other that they were not homos
The exclamation of the phobic fury
executioner, a judge and jury
The mob mentality, individuality was nowhere
Dignity forgotten at the bottom of a dumb old dare and a numb cold stare
On the way home it was back to name calling
Ten against one they had his back up against the wall and
they reveled in their laughter as they surrounded him
But it wasn't a game when they up jumped and grounded him
They picked up their bats with their muscles straining
and they decided they were gonna beat this fella's brain in
with an awful, powerful, showerful, an hour full of violence
Inflict the strictest brutality and dominance
They didn't hear him screaming, they didn't hear him pleading
They ran like cowards and left the boy bleeding
in a pool of red 'til all tears were shed
and his eyes quietly slid into the back of his head
dead...
[CHORUS]
[x2]
You won't see the face 'til the eyelids drop
You won't hear the screaming until it stops
The boy's parents were gone and his grandmother had raised him
She was mad she had no form of retaliation
The pack didn't have to worry about being on a hitlist
But the thing they never thought about was that there was a witness
to this senseless crime, right place wrong time
Tried as an adult one of them was gonna do hard time
The first day of prison was always the hardest
The first day of prison, the hallways the darkest
Like a gauntlet
the voices haunted
Faggot, sissy, punk, queen, queer
Words he used before had a new meaning in here
As a group of men in front of him came near
for the first time in his life the young bully felt fear
He'd never been on this side of the name calling
Five against one they had his back up against the wall and
he had never questioned his own sexuality
but this group of men didn't hesitate in their reality
with an awful, powerful, showerful, an hour full of violence
Inflict the strictest brutality and dominance
They didn't hear him screaming
They didn't hear him pleading
They took what they wanted and then left him bleeding in the corner
The giant reduced to jack horner
But dehumanizing the victim makes things simpler
It's like breathing with a respirator
It eases the conscience of even the most conscious
and calculating violator
The power of words, don't take it for granted
when you hear a man ranting
Don't just read the lips, be more sublime than this
Put everything in context, is this a tale of rough justice
in a land where there's no justice at all ?
Who is really the victim ? Or are we all the cause, and victim of it all ?
[CHORUS]
[x2]
You won't see the face 'til the eyelids drop
You won't hear the screaming until it stop
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
yeah, I know, but for the sake of what the system is "suppose" to be doing which is,of course, to rehabilitate, prisoners should have human rights or maybe the prisons would do better to separate the really hard core criminals from the less offensive criminals.
and yeah I do feel deep down no one should be treated like an animal but I also think that the child killers, seriel killers, child rapists, etc. should be thrown into an "Escape From NY" kind of scenario and then they can all be as crazy as they like.
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
yeah, and this is like a WHOLE other subject but that "crime" is hardly a crime. 19 yr olds and 17 yr olds are really not that different in age. now, 17 and like 30 is more messed up for sure, but 17 and 19?
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
no one deserves to be raped, but if they did, prison rape can't be looked at as fair or deserving, because not everyone is getting it in the end (pun inteneded).
Stop by:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=14678777351&ref=mf
and whats worse is that the law varies from state to state. So in one state its perfectly legal and in the next state over you go to prison for rape and get put on the sex offender list for the rest of your life. that makes sense...
Hasn't prison rape been going on since the invention of prison? I mean, I always thought that everyone already knew this.
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This is why I don't think it's such a good thing to just throw everyone in prison. Murderers, rapists, child molestors, Charlie Manson... yes. The kid that got busted for smoking pot at the park in one of those hillbilly corn whiskey states... no.
Hail, Hail!!!
I disagree. And I will go even further. After they get their own asses raped(eye for an eye), take them out back and blow their fuckin' heads off. Seriously. Who needs people like that in society? You can't rehabilitate a child molester. That's what they get off on. That's what they will always get off on. So you either let them out so they can keep raping children, or you have to end them. No point locking them up forever. That would cost taxpayers money, and we have more important things to spend our money on. We have to weed these monsters out of society. They cannot be trusted and they cannot be rehabilitated. So the simple solution is to get rid of them. Besides, there are a lot worse things than death.
Another habit says its long overdue
Another habit like an unwanted friend
I'm so happy with my righteous self
..such as getting raped in the butt everyday. No matter how deserving some of them might be, not all convicted rapists and child molesters are actually guilty of those crimes. There are many innocent people behind bars who are getting raped for crimes they never committed.
And not to mention, it isn't just the rapists and child molesters who are getting butt-raped. It's basically whoever is young and doesn't have a gang to back them up.
Since its creation, the Presidents of StopPrisonerRape.org were locked up in jail for just a matter of days for minor violations such as protesting on the white house lawn. In those few days, they were butt-raped up to 60 times by multiple assailants.
It's a serious problem that needs addressing even if it means protecting the sickos who might otherwise deserve it.
Personally, I don't think that they do deserve it because what it amounts to is cruel and unusual punishment, and I like to think that we are society that is above that.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
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such hostility. though im not surprised when you haul out rhetoric from the book of exodus.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Yes that is correct. Michael started with Beatnigs...DHOH then SPEARHEAD.....Michael Franti & Spearhead.
Love DHOH like this song TELEVISION: Drug Of The Nation
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Messing around and I happened to find the video....Language Of Violence
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
^^^the voice of reason right there.
It's sorta funny...when I awoke this afternoon I remembered this thread and suddenly wondered how I could've been so moved by that editorial to the point of doing research on the web and eventually starting this thread.
It bugs me to think of dudes getting it in the rear whilst serving their time in the can, but it's never really affected me that much. I think it was the mixture of caffeine and oxycontin that inspired me so.
But, one thing I remember the writer saying which stuck out in my mind was that we as a society tend to put away people that we're mad at, and so we tend to focus on their punishment and not on their rehabilitation.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
I actually have no problem with it what-so-ever if the victim is a sexual predator of some type, rape, child molestation etc.
you werent aware of this?
what if he is wrongly convicted??
I absolutely agree. I often hear people say 'why should we pay to keep these people in prison'. I on the other hand have absolutely no issues with my tax money going towards keeping some of the most dangerous people in society locked up.
Or...locking people up in jail for life. What kind of life is that?? If you are such a bad person that you need to be locked behind bars for the rest of your life, then what does that tell you??
You don't think people deserve what they get?? You like to think we are a society that is above that? Oh, but it's ok to let a bunch of child rapists run free and rape little kids? What kind of society is that?? I would like to think we're a society that doesn't let innocent children fall victim to convicted, repeat sex offenders who are beyond rehabilitation.
Another habit says its long overdue
Another habit like an unwanted friend
I'm so happy with my righteous self
And what's your book? The bible? Are you a good christian who believes it's up to god to punish the bad people?? :rolleyes:
Another habit says its long overdue
Another habit like an unwanted friend
I'm so happy with my righteous self
Make sure to read the "February 2004 conviction"....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Parnell
Another habit says its long overdue
Another habit like an unwanted friend
I'm so happy with my righteous self